2nd Test: India v Australia at Bangalore Oct 9-13, 2010

[TheParraboy]

Right here. I'd forgotten about that one.

I still think Ponting has a lot to offer the Australian team. He's still the best batsman that we have, and he's a fine leader. I just think he might need a little help from time to time.

He's made too many mistakes over the last few years. We should have won in Mohali, we should have put up a fight in Bangalore, we should have beaten bloody Pakistan, we should have won the Ashes, and don't get me started on the previous tour of India before this one.

I don't think the rest of the team is completely blameless - particularly Hauritz. I can't believe that he picked the field that he bowled to. What was he thinking? My God.

But why was Hauritz there in the first place? Probably down to Ponting. Which was a mistake. I sincerely hope we try other spin options in the Ashes, because the English will be salivating at the thought of taking him apart.

Michael Clarke needs to find some form and fast. He's been there long enough now that he's supposed to be the guy we can rely on to steady the ship when we lose a few quick wickets. Instead he gets out stupidly and needlessly and lets the rot set in when we inevitably have another mid-order collapse. He's certainly not being helped by Hussey or North.

What happened to Hussey? I can't think of many players who have had a debut year that was as brilliant as his, and now he's doing well if he gets past 30. Very dramatic decline.

I realise that most of you have come to the same conclusions long ago, and although I don't think Ponting's been anywhere near as bad as you have made out, I think his time as captain is up. Other nations can change captains without dropping them, why can't Australia?

Moderators I think someone has hacked into skeepes account, this is not skeepe :lol:

I agree with your statement highlighted in bold. He has certainly copped a lot more than he has deserved IMO considering the side he has had. But a lot of times he has deserved the bagging, which unfortunately he could have averted by using common sense a lot of the time

 

[TheParraboy]

Not anywhere near as bad? How bad do you want him to be? Here are some of his "achievements"...

1. Losing the Ashes TWICE!
2. Failing to win a single test in India.
3. Losing to Bangladesh.
4. Moving to our lowest ranking EVER (Behind England FFS)

He is shocking. I am sorry but you cannot suggarcoat any of these. If Stephen Fleming was our captain we would be no worse than 3rd in the world. The cattle is there, we have a clueless leader though!

5. Losing a test series in Australia for the first time in 18 years, when in the first 2 tests vs South Africa were were in demanding positions only to let it slip eg How the hell does Steyn look like he will get a century when we have all the top order in the pavillion for next to nothing :crazy:

 

[lockyno1]

Any bloke that somehow manages to lose the Ashes TWICE deserves it..especially the last one with that joke of an England team!

 

[lockyno1]

5. Losing a test series in Australia for the first time in 18 years, when in the first 2 tests vs South Africa were were in demanding positions only to let it slip eg How the hell does Steyn look like he will get a century when we have all the top order in the pavillion for next to nothing :crazy:

That was a pearler..and the first ball they pitched on the stumps they get him out:lol:

Great captaincy:crazy:

 

[skeepe]

Not anywhere near as bad? How bad do you want him to be? Here are some of his "achievements"...

1. Losing the Ashes TWICE!
2. Failing to win a single test in India.
3. Losing to Bangladesh.
4. Moving to our lowest ranking EVER (Behind England FFS)

He is shocking. I am sorry but you cannot suggarcoat any of these. If Stephen Fleming was our captain we would be no worse than 3rd in the world. The cattle is there, we have a clueless leader though!

Ponting is not responsible for the fact that the middle order have forgotten how to bat. He is also not responsible for the fact that we don't have a spinner.

Also on failing to win a single test in India... that's only 1 less win than Steve Waugh and Mark Taylor managed. Australia have a shocking record in India and have done for a very long time. Ponting can't solely be blamed for that.

Also, he isn't solely to blame for moving to our lowest ranking ever. We have a very inexperienced and inconsistent bowling attack, a middle order that fails more often than not, and we are still rebuilding from the retirements of 5 or 6 of the best cricketers to ever play the game. Ponting has to take some of the blame, sure, but not all of it.

 

[ElectricEelMan]

I have had the opinion that the selectors and Nielson were the major problems. But I now think Ponting is a part of the problem.

There needs to be a cleanout of selectors, coaches and players.

I believe Nielson got a contract extension. This raises the question how the f*ck did this Haganesque coach get an extension. The decision ranks alongside the Cowboys choice not to hire Wayne Bennett in 'What the f*ck are you doing?'

Neilson is a bloody awful coach and has cost a couple of test and the Ashes.

The selectors are either a bunch of puppets (who follow the wants and needs of Ponting and perhaps Nielson) or they are utterly inept. I have a feeling they are puppets. Ponting was openly critical of Hughes position in the test team and he was dropped a couple of tests removed from making two centuries in the same test against the best bowling attack in the world ON THEIR HOME SOIL.

Conversely Ponting is highly in love with North and even though North keeps failing, the selectors stick with him.

This is obviously Ponting's side and the selectors need to wrest that away from him. They need balls. Only then will our test team forge their way forward. At the moment we are heading down a slippery slope to mediocrity and Ponting is one of the persons to blame.

 

[lockyno1]

Ponting is not responsible for the fact that the middle order have forgotten how to bat. He is also not responsible for the fact that we don't have a spinner.

Also on failing to win a single test in India... that's only 1 less win than Steve Waugh and Mark Taylor managed. Australia have a shocking record in India and have done for a very long time. Ponting can't solely be blamed for that.

Also, he isn't solely to blame for moving to our lowest ranking ever. We have a very inexperienced and inconsistent bowling attack, a middle order that fails more often than not, and we are still rebuilding from the retirements of 5 or 6 of the best cricketers to ever play the game. Ponting has to take some of the blame, sure, but not all of it.

The middle order were batting fine in England in 2005..until Ponting decided to send England in on a road:lol: England never looked back after that decision!

Gilchrist won 2 out of 3 tests (with one draw) in India. Ponting has had VASTLY better sides than Taylor/Waugh had in India, and has not even been close to winning. In fact he has found more ways to lose tests in India!

He is to blame for the ranking, he is the captain, he has a big say in terms of what players are picked. Why is North untouchable? Hussey? Both went most of this year without doing anything. Yet he shafts better players who are in FC cricket.

 

[Twizzle]

Right here. I'd forgotten about that one.

I still think Ponting has a lot to offer the Australian team. He's still the best batsman that we have, and he's a fine leader. I just think he might need a little help from time to time.

He's made too many mistakes over the last few years. We should have won in Mohali, we should have put up a fight in Bangalore, we should have beaten bloody Pakistan, we should have won the Ashes, and don't get me started on the previous tour of India before this one.

I don't think the rest of the team is completely blameless - particularly Hauritz. I can't believe that he picked the field that he bowled to. What was he thinking? My God.

But why was Hauritz there in the first place? Probably down to Ponting. Which was a mistake. I sincerely hope we try other spin options in the Ashes, because the English will be salivating at the thought of taking him apart.

Michael Clarke needs to find some form and fast. He's been there long enough now that he's supposed to be the guy we can rely on to steady the ship when we lose a few quick wickets. Instead he gets out stupidly and needlessly and lets the rot set in when we inevitably have another mid-order collapse. He's certainly not being helped by Hussey or North.

What happened to Hussey? I can't think of many players who have had a debut year that was as brilliant as his, and now he's doing well if he gets past 30. Very dramatic decline.

I realise that most of you have come to the same conclusions long ago, and although I don't think Ponting's been anywhere near as bad as you have made out, I think his time as captain is up. Other nations can change captains without dropping them, why can't Australia?

he certainly does, which is why he misses boof so much

Ponting is not responsible for the fact that the middle order have forgotten how to bat. He is also not responsible for the fact that we don't have a spinner.

Also on failing to win a single test in India... that's only 1 less win than Steve Waugh and Mark Taylor managed. Australia have a shocking record in India and have done for a very long time. Ponting can't solely be blamed for that.

Also, he isn't solely to blame for moving to our lowest ranking ever. We have a very inexperienced and inconsistent bowling attack, a middle order that fails more often than not, and we are still rebuilding from the retirements of 5 or 6 of the best cricketers to ever play the game. Ponting has to take some of the blame, sure, but not all of it.

Punter has a big say in team selection and I believe that North is there on his request. I have heard North speak on certain issues and I'll give him credit for one thing, he is a good thinker about the game.

Punter doesn't have boof or Warnie any more and you'll notice that North fields right beside him in slips and they talk constantly.

Just my opinion.

 

[WarriorsFan4Life]

Go the Poms!.