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2nd Test: New Zealand v Australia at Christchurch on Feb 20-24, 2016

Twizzle

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If Sids and Patto can't play then Sayers comes in. Easy.

I'm still really not sold on MMarsh. He's not a good enough batsman in red-ball cricket to bat at six in the test side. I would consider moving Nevill up to six and bring Faulkner in at 7.

Without Starc our attack has a sameness to it, they're all fast-medium seam bowlers. We need some variety in there.

I dont think he will be dropped based on the number of wickets he is taking atm.
 

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He was getting a bit of reverse with the older ball too. He is a very handy bowler at this level.
 

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Hazlewood and Pattinson have both played 16 tests now:

Haze: 67 wickets @ 24.08, SR 48.7

Pattinson: 64 wickets @ 26.14, SR 47.3
 

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I agree his bowling is fine. But is he a test match #6? Not by a long way.
 
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Do you give Marsh Shittle's spot, and bring in a specialist bat at 6?

He could bowl more overs and if he happens to chip in with the bat, then happy days.
 

Twizzle

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Selectors dont think that way normally.

Bowler for bowler, all rounder for all rounder
 

TheParraboy

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Selectors dont think that way normally.

Bowler for bowler, all rounder for all rounder

Batsman for bowler though?

Who can forget the success Cameron White had as a front line spinner for 4 tests in India, dismissed the great Sachin Tendulkar as well
 

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Batsman for bowler though?

Who can forget the success Cameron White had as a front line spinner for 4 tests in India, dismissed the great Sachin Tendulkar as well

Cam White didn't rate his own bowling even at domestic level
That was selectors gone mad
 

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hahah you guys should read a book called "white wash to whitewash". Its about Australian cricket between the whitewash of England where Warne and Mcgrath and the whitewash just recently and Australian selectors and cricket administrators went insane after Warne retired.

I don't care if Smith ends up just being a good batsman and not a great one. He has the markings of an excellent captain. Australian cricket almost ruined him because he could bowl a few leg spinners. He was clearly a batsman.
 

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Best of Sport Analysis Cricket Dylan Cleaver on sport... Opinion
New Zealand Black Caps bowler Neil Wagner. Photo / Brett Phibbs.
New Zealand Black Caps bowler Neil Wagner. Photo / Brett Phibbs.
Perhaps Neil Wagner thought it would be hilarious to put trainer wheels on coach Mike Hesson's bike. Who knows, maybe he put Deep Heat in Brendon McCullum's jockstrap or talcum powder in Tim Southee's blowdryer.

Whatever he did, he should have apologised so we could have avoided the ridiculous situation of him having been omitted from all four tests against Australia this season.

Wagner's rejection from an under-performing New Zealand team is just plain weird. You want to know the results of the last 10 tests New Zealand has played with Wagner in the team? Good, I'm just the person to tell you. They have won seven and drawn three. You don't need to be Alan Turing to work out that doesn't leave any room for losses.

What about the last 10 tests New Zealand have played without Wagner? Glad you asked and I can help you there. Drawn two, won three, lost... five.

I can see some of you at the back of the class with your hands in the air dying to point out that Wagner didn't play Australia and therefore the numbers are skewed.


Chicken, allow me to introduce you to egg, or vice versa.

With Doug Bracewell's injury, there is a chance for the wrong to be righted.

The bustling Wagner is the dose of aggression to add to what has become a largely passive Black Cap attack. All muscle and thunder, the South African-born left-armer can bowl some utter tripe, whole spells of it at times, but at least he does it with feeling.

It would have been nice to watch him come around the wicket at the Basin, get wide on the crease and bump the bejaysus out of Usman Khawaja and Adam Voges for a spell.

Even leaving aside the fact he has takes wickets more often and less expensively than the preferred Bracewell, Wagner has the intangible effect of making those around him play better.

Continuing to leave him out was starting to suggest it wasn't a cricket selection, but something more mysterious. If that's the case then it's a joke - a bad one.

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I don't subscribe to the knee-jerk theories put forward that the result in Wellington was a case of systemic failure; a case of umpire failure (though Dick Illingworth didn't help, he didn't cost a series like Nigel 'It Could Have Come from Anything' Llong); or, most laughably, a case of a team taking their eye off the ball while celebrating their captain's career.

It was simply, and even more disturbingly, a case of too many individuals being horribly, catastrophically out of form and if you look at the numbers, it's a wonder they beat Sri Lanka, let alone Straya.

To wit:

McCullum's test batting decline from December 2014 to now (435 runs at 27.2) is well documented. I'd need director of cricket Lindsay Crocker to take a polygraph test to convince me that McCullum wasn't strong-armed into extending his career beyond Leeds to protect a new captain, probably Kane Williamson, from starting their tenure with home-and-away series against Australia.

McCullum plays best when he defends straight and at the moment he's defending to cover and midwicket, the latter technique costing him his wicket twice in Wellington.

Although he is used to accepting the role as public punching bag, he is far from alone in his woes. Some of his vaunted teammates have been searingly awful.

The top four, even taking into account the collapse on the Basin's first-morning greensward, get a pass mark, with the qualification that Guptill's summer average of 33.2 drops to an anaemic 18.1 versus Australia.

Beyond McCullum, there are black holes of productivity at No 6 and 7.

The allrounders position at No 6 has been filled by four players - Jimmy Neesham (Brisbane), BJ Watling (Perth), Mitchell Santner (Adelaide, Dunedin and Hamilton) and Corey Anderson (Wellington). Just 175 runs have been scored in the position at a woeful average of 17.5; the nine wickets have cost 41.7.

This position is heavily in deficit.

Watling, who apart from Perth bats at No 7, has become the most inexplicable case. Renowned for his heady batting in a crisis, the wicketkeeper has been a shell of himself, scoring a meagre 156 runs at 17.3 and looks to be clueless against offspinner Nathan Lyon.

You want to get a sense with your bowling and wicketkeeping allrounders that you can't keep them out of the game; New Zealand haven't been able to get theirs into the game.

But don't think the bowlers are getting a free pass.

Look at Southee, the bowling leader. At first glance his 21 test wickets at 31.5 looks like a reasonable return. At second glance, his eight wickets against Australia at 56.3 looks weak as water.

His new-ball partner Trent Boult has also taken 21 test wickets this summer, at an adequate 37.2. His figures have held up reasonably well against Australia - 15 at 39.3 - but it's hardly strike bowler output.

But don't worry, coming on at first change we have Bracewell, whose 14 wickets this summer have cost 49.6; whose nine against Australia cost 55.

You can put any spin on it you want, but that's an ordinary return from your first-choice seamers.

Which brings us to actual spin. Cripes.

Perhaps the kindest thing you could say is Mark Craig batted very well in Wellington. The unkindest thing would be that Australia are praying for his continued selection. His 10 test wickets this summer have cost 666 runs. You do the math.

It adds up to a combustible failure of form and the problem with the way the game is structured is that there are few options to find form. Instead we have out-of-form bowlers bowling to out-of-form batsmen in net sessions that are as useful as a three-legged racehorse.

The Black Caps came into this summer on the back of a few years of unparalleled success in long-form cricket, but when Hesson pulled the Camaro out of the garage this summer only a couple of cylinders were firing.

Which makes Wagner's omission this summer all the more inexplicable. He's never had the chance to succeed against Australia, but nor has he hopelessly failed either. At the moment, that sad fact alone puts him ahead of the incumbents.

Finally some pressure from the NZ media on the #6 position in the NZ test team.

Bracewell out, neither Wagner nor Henry confirmed as replacement yet. It would seem I'm not the only NZC fan who has seen enough of Doug Bracewell in tests ahead of Wagner for now. Despite this article, Henry is far from certainly excluded from the test team at Wagner's expense.

While bumping Khwaja and Voges sounds good in theory, and better than laying runs for them on a platter like Doug did, Voges is WA so I'd say he is pretty comfortable on the back foot, and Khawaja pulls and hooks (from head height and below) as well as anyone playing the game currently as more than demonstrated in his home summer including the BBL and tests.
 
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bouncing australians on a pretty good batting wickets sounds like a great way to give up a bunch of runs extremely quickly.

I mean lets face it stopping Australia from scoring quickly is hugely important in beating them. Australia are world champion down hill skiers and if they can spend a few sessions belting the ball about its very difficult to pull them back from that kind of position. So basically I wouldnt necessarily bowl short at Australians on a good wicket besides the odd surprise ball.
 

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Wagner would have been useful on the Basin wicket. The Christchurch wicket should be a result one too, but hopefully not one that gives the team winning the toss such a huge advantage.

Not a Wagner fan here - but he does a job, Henry is just potentially a better bowler - unfortunately neither Anderson nor Craig are good enough to bat 6, so we're in a bind especially with the newbie at #4 which really is unfortunate.

And yeah, we know Australians can play on the back foot, so Wagner's bounce-athon not likely to help much imo - except our wickets are slower and more two paced
 

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One of Wagner's key benefits is to lessen the possible perceived need for Neesham or Anderson to bat 6, and to have that position filled by a proper batsman.

If a plodder is going to bat at 6 and bowl some overs, that does appear to strengthen the case for Henry as a strike option bowling less donkey work overs. Going against Henry are his failures so far at test level, and the fact that Wagner has been pretty damn good the last few years in the team and did not deserve to be dropped initially for Bracewell.

But Henry once again, through ODI form is making claims to being given another go. Another issue is, Henry does his damage as a new ball bowler when it is harder and the seam is still new in ODI cricket, not as a third seamer. It is a thorny issue, made more difficult with Boult being underwhelming and not finding his swing. More strike power is needed, but can Henry do it effectively in a 3rd seamer role, or would Wag's never say die attitude and just keep running in hard with a softer ball be a bigger wicket taking threat?

It is for these decisions the selectors have the job. A winning team needs little tweaking generally so to speak. Let us see if they can get it right.
 
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Hazlewood and Pattinson have both played 16 tests now:

Haze: 67 wickets @ 24.08, SR 48.7

Pattinson: 64 wickets @ 26.14, SR 47.3

What's worth noting though is that Patto had to endure the Indian pitches for 3 out of the 4 test matches (he was dropped for 'homework-gate' for the 3rd test) on that tour, in which we conceded 500 in the first 2 matches on absolute roads. Also worth noting that despite Haze's injuries, Patto's have come at times that have disrupted his ability to string together a run of games.

All in all, Australia is extremely lucky to have 3 of the most talented young bowlers in world cricket in Haze, Patto and Starc.
 

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I like Wagner. He hits the deck hard and is happy to do the donkey work if needed. Also adds a really good dose of aggression.
 

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