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3rd ASHES TEST: Australia v England at Perth, Dec 16-20 2010

Twizzle

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talk in the media this morning that Beer will be the barman in the 3rd test, as Smith seems to have done enough with the ball lately

so it looks like we may go with 3 quicks plus Notch
 
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JJ said:
As bad as Bollinger was, and he was pretty terrible... he wasn't close to as bad as Johnson was
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And that's the money quote. Johnson redefined the lower limits of awful test bowling in Brisbane, Doug was merely poor.

Frankly I think it will be best for Dougy in the end. As solid as Harris is he can't carry this attack and let Johnson and Siddle get pounded for three more tests. We're going to lose anyway so let the selector's pets wear the results. After they've been shown up as imposters for the rest of the Summer Doug can lead the Blues to the Shield and demand the respect he deserves.
 
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Twizzle said:
talk in the media this morning that Beer will be the barman in the 3rd test, as Smith seems to have done enough with the ball lately

so it looks like we may go with 3 quicks plus Notch
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I hope so

Particularly if the WACA has a bit of pace in it. Hopefully get the poms jumping around and hit a few on the head, something they wont be used to on this tour of roads

If Clarke can bowl some overs, plus Smith. Thats probably enough for Perth, though MCG and SCG tests we will need a spinner who can bowl 30-35 overs a day, without getting tanked and preferably getting a wicket or two

If they were looking for a left field selection they should have drafted in Okeefe.
 
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and recalling Johnson when they admith that they have nfi if his action has improved?

Siddle took 0 wickets
 
TheParraboy

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The way the adelaide deck was, you cant really blame Siddle for getting no wickets. Harris and Dougy werent far off getting zero either

Our batsman let us down massively that game, we should have piled on 500 plus in that 1st innings

We just need Notch to get it right somehow in Perth. He can do it, but then he can also be piss poor for melbourne and sydney.
 
madunit

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chefman21 said:
Are you stupid? Stop trolling.


Does anyone else disagree with what I said?
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I certainly do.

A lot of sports, averages can be less indicative to a players overall ability.

But in cricket this is not the case.

What are the two most important things a bowler must do. Hell the ONLY 2 things.

Take wickets, keep the runs down. A great bowler can achieve both, no matter how bad his fielders are around him. That can't be argued.

People's opinions on whether players could have been the greatest if it weren't for blah blah blah is just a dumb bullsh*t argument you are trying to pull to justify your flimsy argument.

Furthermore you compared a sh*tload of pace bowlers to Shane Warne, knowing full well that Warnies average was going to be higher.

An Average is a very true and clear indication of how good a player truly is in cricket.

especially bowlers.

Furthermore to your earlier argument, every single pace bowler in this country could be Australia's greatest ever bowler when on song.

I remember a game where my team got bundled out for 87. I opened the bowling and bowled these amazing in-swingers all day, bamboozled the batsmen. I took 7 for 14 off 8 overs and we had the opposition bundled out for under 50.

I reckon on that day, I could have been Australia's best bowler.

Doesn't mean I deserve to be in the test side though does it?

Fact is, given all the posturing about how good you think Mitch is, his average is over 30 which is f**king pathetic for a strike bowler considered our best.

Trying to defend that is like saying Hitler wasn't really a bad guy, he was just misunderstood.
 
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TheParraboy said:
The way the adelaide deck was, you cant really blame Siddle for getting no wickets. Harris and Dougy werent far off getting zero either

Our batsman let us down massively that game, we should have piled on 500 plus in that 1st innings

We just need Notch to get it right somehow in Perth. He can do it, but then he can also be piss poor for melbourne and sydney.
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The batsmen are not the problem here.

last 2 innings our bowlers have taken:
1/517 off 152 overs
5/620 off 152 overs

total of 6/1137

in two innings and 304 overs they have taken 6 f**king wickets.

SIX!

in 304 f**king overs

and you want to suggest the batsmen are the problem.

ffs man, stop being a dickhead and realise you will never win a test without taking wickets.

Australia's bowlers combined in those last two innings average almost 200.

thats f**king pathetic beyond any calculation and that is the root of the problem.
 
madunit

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I was just checking out hawkeye for the last 2 tests on cricinfo.

In that 1st innings in Brisbane, near all the wickets came from pitched up deliveries.

In the second test we had all our quicks pitching shorter and all wide of off-stump. It was pre meditated defensive bowling from the start.

We have to bowl straighter, stump to stump almost. Pitch the thing up. It's what worked once, it's been working for the poms, so why is it regarded as such a foreign concept by the aussie bowlers?

Short of a length and wide at the waca could lead to the poms scoring 400 runs in a day.

And can we please put an end to these sh*thouse bouncers over batsmen's heads. ffs it's a pointless delivery that cheapens the purpose of a bouncer. If you can't bowl a proper bouncer at throat to eye level, don't bowl them at all.
 
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madunit said:
I was just checking out hawkeye for the last 2 tests on cricinfo.

In that 1st innings in Brisbane, near all the wickets came from pitched up deliveries.

In the second test we had all our quicks pitching shorter and all wide of off-stump. It was pre meditated defensive bowling from the start.

We have to bowl straighter, stump to stump almost. Pitch the thing up. It's what worked once, it's been working for the poms, so why is it regarded as such a foreign concept by the aussie bowlers?

Short of a length and wide at the waca could lead to the poms scoring 400 runs in a day.

And can we please put an end to these sh*thouse bouncers over batsmen's heads. ffs it's a pointless delivery that cheapens the purpose of a bouncer. If you can't bowl a proper bouncer at throat to eye level, don't bowl them at all.
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I've often wondered about that with the Australian cricket team in general. It seems to me that in the last five, maybe seven years, our bowlers have changed their length and line to be short and outside the off stump. Maybe they are trying to copy McGrath, but I think that's a difficult thing to do. Great example, but wrong bowlers. McGrath is the textbook fast bowler. His entire bowling process - from run up to delivery - was perfect. He is the most efficient fast bowler I have ever seen. There was never any excess movement from head, legs or arms, his action at delivery was always tight and super efficient and he had that height all great quicks have. That efficiency and height allowed him to extract maximum movement and bounce from the pitch which combined with his unrelenting accuracy made him the perfect quick. But the guys we have now have barely any of that. Some have the height, but lack the efficiency or accuracy. Some can get the same amount of movement, but lack the accuracy or vicious bounce. The best way to combat that is to pitch the ball up and look for the drive. Unless you're a McGrath, you need to play percentages. And that's pitching the ball up.
 
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