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3rd ODI: England v Australia at Birmingham Jul 4, 2012

TheParraboy

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Big night of sport on Wednesday night

The 3rd ODI, and the 3rd state of origin

Poms 2-0 up in the cricket, Gosh if they do get 5-0, they become the new no1 side :crazy:
 

Hallatia

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will it be on 9 or Gem?

I'll be watching it live but will probably fall asleep at some point
 

Timbo

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I have Thursday off so I may just stay at the pub a little later post-Origin to see how this one begins.

Pattinson or Hilfenhaus in for Useless please.
 

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Dernbach and Meaker are unavailable for this match on compassionate grounds and Chris Woakes has come into the squad. England are still, however, hoping Anderson will be fit for this one
 

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Arthur tempted by England traditions
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In the space of two matches, Australia have gone from questioning England's balance to thinking about appropriating it. England's use of five specialist bowlers and a top order of Test match pedigree have made the tourists look short on quality over the course of the first two ODIs at Lord's and the Oval, causing Australia's coach Mickey Arthur to suggest it was a path worth taking in next year's ICC Champions Trophy.

There has already been one Australian concession to England's way of playing the limited-overs game, with the fledgling allrounder Steve Smith dropped after Lord's to make way for the considered batting of Peter Forrest at No. 3. The call-up of the Test match bowlers Ben Hilfenhaus and James Pattinson may follow in Birmingham.

"I think in English conditions, they've almost gone back to the old sort of format of one-day cricket," Arthur said. "Three proper Test players at the top of the order, four out-and-out pace bowlers, a really good spinner. They're playing with their specialists, they're playing the one-day game with their best players.

"In England, I think that's a message for every other team, bearing in mind we come back here for the Champions Trophy [next year]. So I think England have a blueprint that works here and it's one we'll probably need to follow in these conditions."

The loss of Michael Hussey for the tour - so he could spend additional time at home with a young family - has proven to be a major blow, and Arthur said others were finding it difficult to replace him. "We were pretty settled I think coming into this tour then Mike Hussey didn't make the trip," Arthur said. "With Mike coming in at five he controls the game but the reality is Mike's not going to be around forever.

"We've got to find another player who can do that role and there's going to be a lot of opportunities this tour for somebody to try and nail that, so I'm looking forward to seeing who puts their hand up."

Smith's brief appearance in the ODI series re-opened the former questions about precisely what his role in the Australian team should be, or if he is deserving of one at all. Arthur depicted Smith's presence on the tour as a learning exercise, and pointed out that he had already played in two tour matches against Leicestershire and Essex. He also suggested that Smith would be a more useful proposition in the World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka later in the year.

"He hasn't done a huge amount of bowling on this tour so far but we're looking at Steve as a bit of a long-term proposition," Arthur said. "We go to subcontinent conditions for the Pakistan series after this, we've got the Twenty20 World Cup in Sri Lanka so he could play a prominent role there so we wanted to expose him, bring him back into the set-up and then have a look.

"He's had three chances though because he had Leicestershire and Essex before this one to really make a statement. He's bubbling away, we're working hard with him, trying to get his technique up to speed and we'll continue to do that with him."

Arthur denied that Smith needed to be bowling his leg breaks consistently to be of full value to the team - the captain Michael Clarke being notably hesitant to use him on this trip, bowling only one over in three matches. "If he's not bowling he brings two disciplines; he's fantastic in the field as well," Arthur said. "He's the type of player we're looking at, we just need his batting just to kick on a little bit and it's through lack of trying, we're working extremely hard with him."

Another player in need of hard work is Mitchell Johnson, whose return to Australian colours at the Oval was decidedly unhappy. Arthur is among Johnson's staunchest supporters, having been on the receiving end of his best bowling when South Africa coach in 2009, and said the left-armer needed to recover his confidence in international company.

"Mitch just has to start playing cricket again, he's been off for about eight months now," Arthur said. "He's just got to get out, get his confidence back, and he's got to realise he belongs in international cricket again and he'll do that pretty quickly. He just needs to get some good performances under his belt."
Sauce

And Dernbach is out for the remainder of the tour with a side strain
 

Hallatia

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well, they need to try to focus on the positives, it's not Arthur's fault the last away positive from Johnson came four years ago
 

Earl

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I havn't played cricket for 3 seasons, but I garuntee you I wouldn't overstep the line in my first over.
 

Horrie Is God

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Johnson is 30 years old,an age when most bowlers have complete command over their game..

All the juvenile stuff has been weeded out & they know where each delivery will land..But not Johnson..

Most supporters realise that Mitch is a dud..

It's now up to the selectors to realise that if it waddles like a duck,& quacks like a duck,then it's a duck..
 

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Arthurs still taking up what Johnson did to SA 4 years ago :roll:

No different to the usual suspects around here talking up Phil Hughes' efforts on the same tour we after the fact. The feats of both players in SA should've been put to bed a long time ago and both of them lived off the glory for far longer they should've.
 

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No different to the usual suspects around here talking up Phil Hughes' efforts on the same tour we after the fact. The feats of both players in SA should've been put to bed a long time ago and both of them lived off the glory for far longer they should've.
One of them is still stinking up the side and the other has been banished to South Australia :lol:
 
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Johnson is without doubt the biggest mental midget I have ever seen play for Australia. His selection literally takes the piss out of a legacy built by Bobby Simpson and AB on mental toughness that went through two decades.

If somebody could fly Johnson's mother over to England and have her in the crowd with a megaphone he might lose the plot completely and piss off home.

No different to the usual suspects around here talking up Phil Hughes' efforts on the same tour we after the fact. The feats of both players in SA should've been put to bed a long time ago and both of them lived off the glory for far longer they should've.

I think the only idiot who continually goes back to that tour for Hughes is BunniesDerp. At least Hughes showed some flashes of brilliance either in a few tests, county or shield cricet. Johnson plays balls all year around until he gets to the WACA.
 

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Arthurs still taking up what Johnson did to SA 4 years ago :roll:

F**k me you are a dribbler. Can you even read? Where does Arthur talk up what Johnson did in South Africa?

Johnson is 30 years old,an age when most bowlers have complete command over their game..

All the juvenile stuff has been weeded out & they know where each delivery will land..But not Johnson..

Most supporters realise that Mitch is a dud..

It's now up to the selectors to realise that if it waddles like a duck,& quacks like a duck,then it's a duck..

There are only 10 Australian bowlers in the history of ODI cricket that have a bowling average lower than Mitchell Johnson. His average is better than Shane Warne's. You're the dud.

It's only the middle of winter and you clueless morons are already pissing me off.
 

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well thats all in the past, he will never regain that form again as he has lost his technique

we persevered long enough, time to move on
 

hineyrulz

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F**k me you are a dribbler. Can you even read? Where does Arthur talk up what Johnson did in South Africa?
:lol: Spastic, yeah other than being a staunch supporter and being on the recieving end of his best bowling in SA in 08 he doesn't mention what Shitchell did in SA at all :lol:

You are a more clueless than BunniesDerp and thats saying something


Another player in need of hard work is Mitchell Johnson, whose return to Australian colours at the Oval was decidedly unhappy. Arthur is among Johnson's staunchest supporters, having been on the receiving end of his best bowling when South Africa coach in 2009, and said the left-armer needed to recover his confidence in international company.

"Mitch just has to start playing cricket again, he's been off for about eight months now," Arthur said. "He's just got to get out, get his confidence back, and he's got to realise he belongs in international cricket again and he'll do that pretty quickly. He just needs to get some good performances under his belt."
 
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