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3rd Test: Australia v South Africa @ SCG Jan 4-8, 2023

BunniesMan

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59 overs and one of our spinners has bowled 7 of them. Hasn't looked like getting a wicket even against a team that is playing about 9 bunnies. What exactly in Agar's first class bowling average of 41 and test bowling average of 45 indicated he is the next best spinner in Australia after Lyon?

I cannot believe selectors get paid to make decisions this bad.
 
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1998/99 ashes first test.

lost 1 hour on day 3, day 4 started on time.
Lost 2 hours on day 5 shortly before tea.

4 wickets from claiming victory.
yeah... ruined, totally.

Now for a more relevant and recent sample since 2014/2015 at the Gabba:
0 Draws
9 Results



2014/2015 RESULT 1 hour before stumps day 4, 12 overs lost to weather
India 408 & 224, Australia 505 & 130/6
Australia won by 4 wickets

2015/16 RESULT shortly before lunch day 5 , 40 overs lost to weather
Australia 556/4d & 264/4d, New Zealand 317 & 295
AUS by 208 Runs

2016/17 PINK BALL TEST RESULT shortly before lunch day 5, no time lost to weather
Australia 429, 202/5d, Pakistan 142, 450
AUS by 31 runs

2017/18 RESULT shortly after drinks morning session day 5, no time lost
England 302 & 195, Australia 328 & 0/173
AUS by 10 wickets

2018/19 PINK BALL TEST RESULT shortly before tea day 3, vs Sri Lanka. no time lost
Sri lanka 144 & 139, Australia 323
AUS by an innings and 40 runs

2019/20 RESULT 1 hour before stumps day 4 no time lost
Pakistan 240 & 335, Australia 580
AUS won by an innings and 5 runs.

2020/21 RESULT Shortly before stumps, day 5, 49 overs lost to weather
Australia 369 & 294, India 336 & 329/7
INDIA won by 3 wickets

2021/22 RESULT Shortly after lunch day 4, 40 overs lost
England 147 & 297, Australia 425 & 20/1
Australia won by 9 wickets

2022/23 RESULT Shortly before stumps day 2, no time lost
South Africa 152 & 99, Australia 218 & 35/4
AUS won by 6 wickets

Now lets see SCG for the last 8 years:
5 Draws (possibly 6), 3 results,

2014/15 DRAW Stumps day 5, no time lost
Aus 572/7d & 251/6d, India 475 & 252/7
DRAWN

2015/16 DRAW Stumps day 5, 274 overs lost, 11 overs bowled day 2, day 3 & 4 washed out.
West Indies 330, Australia 176/2d
DRAWN

2016/17 RESULT shortly before tea day 5, 81 overs lost to weather
Aus 538/8d & 241/2d, Pakistan 315 & 244
Aus won by 220 runs.

2017/18 RESULT drinks after lunch day 5, 8 overs lost to weather
England 346 & 180, Australia 649/7d
Australia won by an innings and 123 runs

2018/19 DRAW Stumps day 5, 172 overs lost, day 5 rained out
India 622/7d, Aus 300 & 6/0
DRAWN

2019/20 RESULT Shortly before stumps day 4, no time lost
Australia 454 & 217/2d, New Zealand 256 & 136.

2020/21 DRAW Stumps day 5, 30 overs lost to weather
India 338 & 312/6d, Aus 244 & 334/5
DRAWN

2021/22 DRAW Stumps day 5, 107 overs lost to weather
Australia 416/8d & 265/6d, England 295 & 270/9
DRAWN

2022/23 In progress so far 172 overs lost to weather
_______________________________________________________________



RESULTS(2014/15 - 2022/23):

Gabba: 9 matches, 0 draws, Overs bowled: 308, 343, 224, 368, 214, 328, 390, 262, 145
TOTAL overs bowled: 2582 Overs Bowled, 9 results.
TOTAL overs lost: 141

SCG: 9 Matches*, 5/6 draws*, Overs bowled*: 444, 150, 357, 393, 275, 345, 423, 386, 286*
TOTAL overs bowled: 3021
I presume 50 overs will be bowled tomorrow)
TOTAL overs lost: 844


Result:
Gabba Averages 3.2 days of actual cricket with 15 overs lost for 9/9 results.
9402 runs/291 wickets @ 3.64 RPO Average 32.3

AUSTRALIA: 4851 runs/114 wickets average 42.5
VISITORS: 4551 runs/177 wickets average 25.7


SCG Averages 3.7 days of actual cricket with 93 overs lost for 3-4/9 results.
9508 runs/234 wickets 3.14 RPO Average 40.6

AUSTRALIA: 5210 runs/88 wickets Average 59.2
VISITORS: 4638 runs/ 143 wickets Average 32.4


Conclusion: Sydney might be half decent if not for its F***ng piss poor weather wasting everyone's time.
Ok
 

icewind

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59 overs and one of our spinners has bowled 7 of them. Hasn't looked like getting a wicket even against a team that is playing about 9 bunnies. What exactly in Agar's first class bowling average of 41 and test bowling average of 45 indicated he is the next best spinner in Australia after Lyon?

I cannot believe selectors get paid to make decisions this bad.
Theres a hard on for Left arm finger spinners in India. *spinner* should be the operative word.
Too late to buy sok a wheelchair seat on the plane to India? He's accurate, undercuts the ball, and barely needs to move to bowl.
 

Bazal

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14 wickets with 326 runs to play with, basically.

Unless the final four for the Jaarpies can pull 127 runs out of their dates, follow on will be enforced. After that, there's almost no point having a single fielder outside the circle. Bat pads and slips all over the place.

I reckon we can do it.
 

Wizardman

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Fantastic article about the state of Test Cricket



Test cricket is hard. The clue is in the name.

It challenges physically, mentally and psychologically. It challenges individuals to act as a team, and teams to trust individuals.

The very act of bowling a single ball at high speed takes years of technical and physical concentration. To do that 120 or more times a day in heat and humidity taxes body and soul.

Batting against high-velocity deliveries or high spin requires supernatural reactions that are trained meticulously. To sprint up and down the 22 yards 200 times is exhausting.

Bowling all day with little success and no luck pushes will. Not making runs in losing teams can be depressing. Batsmen have been known to be violently ill BEFORE going to the crease; bowlers most likely at the end of an extensive day.
Twenty20 cricket is not physically hard; it takes an hour and a quarter to get through an innings. Test match warm-ups take longer. Batters dance, flail, scoop and ramp – the bowlers use pace off, knuckle balls and full tosses. They even aim as wide of the stumps as they can get away with. The MCC coaching manual is not much use in the modern iteration, but please do not let T20 players tell you that the game has anywhere near the challenges of Test cricket over the course of a match or the length of a career.
T20 cricket pays handsomely; Test cricket not so much.
The Australian men’s Test team has completely outplayed both their opponents this summer. It is a very good team that looks to be getting better with each outing, albeit with the caveat being the quality of the West Indies and South Africa this summer.

There is a lengthy thesis waiting to be written by a sporting-minded academic on the demise of Caribbean quality since their heyday of the 1980s and the heights of Calypso cricket in the 1960s. Their generational domination under Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards and then Richie Richardson was underpinned by an astonishing depth of talent. Injuries and form lapses could not diminish their power and, of course, there was no competing format or competition aside from the mid-1980s rebel tours to South Africa to suck away the understudies.

Talent emerged rather than being produced. Since the end of apartheid South Africa have presented some very strong and consistent sporting sides but very weak sporting administration. An almost bankrupt SA cricket has sold the farm to the T20 game – mostly Indian money – in order to refloat the finances. A wise move given the alternatives, but the consequences for their Test cricket were clearly on show during the past few weeks. The post-apartheid government policy of affirmative action, where team representation must cover all racial groups, creates a further distortion to playing strength while righting some historical wrongs.

The Proteas look inexperienced at the five-day game and are bereft of wicket-taking strategies apart from bowling the unplayable (which they have done a couple of times) or waiting for Australia to make mistakes. Australia have rarely obliged.

Captain Dean Elgar looks haggard and has lost the fight that generally accompanies his sound technique. The bowlers’ effort comes across as desultory; perhaps their minds are on the Rand available when they get home.

While Temba Bavuma battled Pat Cummins, Scott Boland, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon and Cameron Green at the MCG, ex-captain Faf du Plessis slogged Andrew Tye, Peter Hatzoglou and Jason Behrendorff in Perth wearing a Scorchers jumper.
South Africa not only miss the runs and wickets of their senior players who take the T20 paychecks, they miss the influence and lessons that these people bring to the dressing room.
The Proteas and the Windies seemed to have gone backwards during the southern summer. It is one thing to lose a match; it is a sporting felony to go on making the same mistakes over and over.
More than 30 elite South African players are contracted to T20 leagues throughout the world. There is a serious living to be made around the world reverse-sweeping the white ball, and those who choose to pay the mortgage and feed the family are not to be begrudged. Green is fortunate that Cricket Australia allow participation in the IPL when they are within their contractual rights to disallow his No Objection Certificate (NOC).

The Windies’ greasy pole to Test obscurity could be best summed up by the career of Sunil Narine. The finger-flicking Trinidadian made his one-day international debut in December 2011, closely followed by a Test debut six months later. His bowling was difficult to read, comprised of a faster than usual pace and a tricky combination of orthodox off-breaks and Jack Iverson-style middle-finger wrong’uns. Today, the term “carrom ball” is popular. He is a handy bat as well, and a long career commanding West Indian victories looked certain. He played six Tests in the next 18 months – then the IPL came knocking.
The Kolkata Knight Riders offered him near $1 million a season, and he never played another Test. He has since played for an extensive list of T20 franchise teams from the Lahore Qalandars to the Sydney Sixers. He is still contracted to the Knight Riders.
The West Indies Cricket Board cannot afford to pay him anywhere near what the 20-over teams can. Andre Russell, Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Nicholas Pooran et al are in the same canoe.
Australia are lucky that the Test players are well paid and often made available for T20 cricket, and that the Sheffield Shield plays a significant role in developing those Test cricketers. They have their cake and eat it, too, but this needs to be protected at all costs.
The Caribbean Premier League attempts to redress the dollar inequities, and the new SA20 League may do likewise, but unless these nations invest some of the new money into domestic three- or four-day cricket then their Test match status is unlikely to change. The Windies through those golden years failed to reinvest in facilities and coaches; the pathway to the top started at the beach and finished on the reefs.

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Usman Khawaja walks off the SCG on day two of the New Year’s Test.

Test cricket is hard, and the remuneration does not match the simpler, the physically less taxing white-ball game. Why wouldn’t hard-hitting, finger-flicking, back-of-the-hand and slow-ball bowling quick men take the road most trampled? A no-brainer, no less.
If Test cricket is to be funded by T20, then so be it. But can you imagine the cricket universe being solely inhabited by 20-over matches?
Cricket needs Test cricket, and Test cricket needs all teams to be competitive.
The game is not easy. That’s exactly why it should be played.
 

Twizzle

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How good was Haze ? never missed a beat despite all the time off. So much depth in our pace attack right now.

Seriously, what is the point of Agar ? you really have to wonder what any selector expected him to do, surely Zampa has to be a better option being a wristy.

It's not really going to play like a day 5 pitch today so interrresting to see what happens, I think Haze and Captain Pat might do more damage than the boat and the 'orrible
 

Pippen94

First Grade
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Fantastic article about the state of Test Cricket



Test cricket is hard. The clue is in the name.

It challenges physically, mentally and psychologically. It challenges individuals to act as a team, and teams to trust individuals.

The very act of bowling a single ball at high speed takes years of technical and physical concentration. To do that 120 or more times a day in heat and humidity taxes body and soul.

Batting against high-velocity deliveries or high spin requires supernatural reactions that are trained meticulously. To sprint up and down the 22 yards 200 times is exhausting.

Bowling all day with little success and no luck pushes will. Not making runs in losing teams can be depressing. Batsmen have been known to be violently ill BEFORE going to the crease; bowlers most likely at the end of an extensive day.
Twenty20 cricket is not physically hard; it takes an hour and a quarter to get through an innings. Test match warm-ups take longer. Batters dance, flail, scoop and ramp – the bowlers use pace off, knuckle balls and full tosses. They even aim as wide of the stumps as they can get away with. The MCC coaching manual is not much use in the modern iteration, but please do not let T20 players tell you that the game has anywhere near the challenges of Test cricket over the course of a match or the length of a career.
T20 cricket pays handsomely; Test cricket not so much.
The Australian men’s Test team has completely outplayed both their opponents this summer. It is a very good team that looks to be getting better with each outing, albeit with the caveat being the quality of the West Indies and South Africa this summer.

There is a lengthy thesis waiting to be written by a sporting-minded academic on the demise of Caribbean quality since their heyday of the 1980s and the heights of Calypso cricket in the 1960s. Their generational domination under Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards and then Richie Richardson was underpinned by an astonishing depth of talent. Injuries and form lapses could not diminish their power and, of course, there was no competing format or competition aside from the mid-1980s rebel tours to South Africa to suck away the understudies.

Talent emerged rather than being produced. Since the end of apartheid South Africa have presented some very strong and consistent sporting sides but very weak sporting administration. An almost bankrupt SA cricket has sold the farm to the T20 game – mostly Indian money – in order to refloat the finances. A wise move given the alternatives, but the consequences for their Test cricket were clearly on show during the past few weeks. The post-apartheid government policy of affirmative action, where team representation must cover all racial groups, creates a further distortion to playing strength while righting some historical wrongs.

The Proteas look inexperienced at the five-day game and are bereft of wicket-taking strategies apart from bowling the unplayable (which they have done a couple of times) or waiting for Australia to make mistakes. Australia have rarely obliged.

Captain Dean Elgar looks haggard and has lost the fight that generally accompanies his sound technique. The bowlers’ effort comes across as desultory; perhaps their minds are on the Rand available when they get home.

While Temba Bavuma battled Pat Cummins, Scott Boland, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon and Cameron Green at the MCG, ex-captain Faf du Plessis slogged Andrew Tye, Peter Hatzoglou and Jason Behrendorff in Perth wearing a Scorchers jumper.
South Africa not only miss the runs and wickets of their senior players who take the T20 paychecks, they miss the influence and lessons that these people bring to the dressing room.
The Proteas and the Windies seemed to have gone backwards during the southern summer. It is one thing to lose a match; it is a sporting felony to go on making the same mistakes over and over.
More than 30 elite South African players are contracted to T20 leagues throughout the world. There is a serious living to be made around the world reverse-sweeping the white ball, and those who choose to pay the mortgage and feed the family are not to be begrudged. Green is fortunate that Cricket Australia allow participation in the IPL when they are within their contractual rights to disallow his No Objection Certificate (NOC).

The Windies’ greasy pole to Test obscurity could be best summed up by the career of Sunil Narine. The finger-flicking Trinidadian made his one-day international debut in December 2011, closely followed by a Test debut six months later. His bowling was difficult to read, comprised of a faster than usual pace and a tricky combination of orthodox off-breaks and Jack Iverson-style middle-finger wrong’uns. Today, the term “carrom ball” is popular. He is a handy bat as well, and a long career commanding West Indian victories looked certain. He played six Tests in the next 18 months – then the IPL came knocking.
The Kolkata Knight Riders offered him near $1 million a season, and he never played another Test. He has since played for an extensive list of T20 franchise teams from the Lahore Qalandars to the Sydney Sixers. He is still contracted to the Knight Riders.
The West Indies Cricket Board cannot afford to pay him anywhere near what the 20-over teams can. Andre Russell, Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Nicholas Pooran et al are in the same canoe.
Australia are lucky that the Test players are well paid and often made available for T20 cricket, and that the Sheffield Shield plays a significant role in developing those Test cricketers. They have their cake and eat it, too, but this needs to be protected at all costs.
The Caribbean Premier League attempts to redress the dollar inequities, and the new SA20 League may do likewise, but unless these nations invest some of the new money into domestic three- or four-day cricket then their Test match status is unlikely to change. The Windies through those golden years failed to reinvest in facilities and coaches; the pathway to the top started at the beach and finished on the reefs.

RELATED ARTICLE​

Usman Khawaja walks off the SCG on day two of the New Year’s Test.

Test cricket is hard, and the remuneration does not match the simpler, the physically less taxing white-ball game. Why wouldn’t hard-hitting, finger-flicking, back-of-the-hand and slow-ball bowling quick men take the road most trampled? A no-brainer, no less.
If Test cricket is to be funded by T20, then so be it. But can you imagine the cricket universe being solely inhabited by 20-over matches?
Cricket needs Test cricket, and Test cricket needs all teams to be competitive.
The game is not easy. That’s exactly why it should be played.

Rich nations doing better than poor nations. There's ur answer
 

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