4N: Aussie Team changes?

[The 18th Man]

Stats like that are pretty irrelevant imo. These days Civoniceva getting the ball just means the defence can rest easy because he's not gonna do anything.

Except get over the advantage line which is a big part in what he is paid to do.

 

[roughyedspud]

i've never got civoniceva,yeah he's a solid,dependable,workhorse prop....but he does'nt have or ever as had the xfactor..

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I am not sure it's in a prop's job description to make what they do look pretty.

Are you being stupid on purpose? What I'm saying is, Petero doesn't really hit the line that hard or dominate in contact that well any more. That is a prop's job. Just imo.

 

[The 18th Man]

i've never got civoniceva,yeah he's a solid,dependable,workhorse prop....but he does'nt have or ever as had the xfactor..

So name a prop today who has this so called "X-Factor" that sells magazines and ensures groupies are waiting around long after the game. Should be interesting.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Except get over the advantage line which is a big part in what he is paid to do.

Which is exactly what I'm saying...he didn't do that today, he got belted by PNG midgets, and imo he's been that way in internationals for a little while.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

So name a prop today who has this so called "X-Factor" that sells magazines and ensures groupies are waiting around long after the game. Should be interesting.

Every prop in the Aussie squad and the Kiwi squad is more likely to make a half-break, poke his nose through the line and/or make a telling offload than Petero.

 

[The 18th Man]

Are you being stupid on purpose? What I'm saying is, Petero doesn't really hit the line that hard or dominate in contact that well any more. That is a prop's job. Just imo.

I am the stupid one? Please re-read some of the tripe your sprouting re: your namesake on these very forums and in this very thread.

I think you're alone or in the minority in your assessment. Each to their own.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I am the stupid one? Please re-read some of the tripe your sprouting re: your namesake on these very forums and in this very thread.

How is any of that tripe?

You're just ignorant. It's an established fact that Vatuvei's presence/absence has a pretty extraordinary effect on the winning records of the Kiwis and the Warriors.

 

[The 18th Man]

How is any of that tripe?

You're just ignorant. It's an established fact that Vatuvei's presence/absence has a pretty extraordinary effect on the winning records of the Kiwis and the Warriors.

Agree to disagree and we all move on.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Agree to disagree and we all move on.

lol. You're so mature.

 

[Coaster]

FFS Petro is there for the exact reason you want him out.
He does exactly what you expect of him, he GOES Forward.

Work out the stats today of how many points was scored while he was on the field.
He sucks defenders into the ruck, it is what a prop should do, it gives room for the backs.

Do you guys even know how tries are scored, or are you just thinking it is throwing it around?

 

[The 18th Man]

FFS Petro is there for the exact reason you want him out.
He does exactly what you expect of him, he GOES Forward.

Work out the stats today of how many points was scored while he was on the field.
He sucks defenders into the ruck, it is what a prop should do, it gives room for the backs.

Do you guys even know how tries are scored, or are you just thinking it is throwing it around?

By guys you mean Manu_Vatuvei ;-)

 

[Coaster]

By guys you mean Manu_Vatuvei ;-)

Yah and his ilk

 

[Big Pete]

Bulla doesn't hold the ball one handed so obviously he isn't good enough.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

FFS Petro is there for the exact reason you want him out.
He does exactly what you expect of him, he GOES Forward.

Work out the stats today of how many points was scored while he was on the field.
He sucks defenders into the ruck, it is what a prop should do, it gives room for the backs.

Do you guys even know how tries are scored, or are you just thinking it is throwing it around?

No. I know his job is to go forward, and I don't think he does it that well any more. I've always been a big fan of Petero.

Way too many people catching feelings up in here.

 

[user_nat]

No. I know his job is to go forward, and I don't think he does it that well any more. I've always been a big fan of Petero.

Way too many people catching feelings up in here.

Didn't I post some stats that would suggest the opposite of this?


Anyhow, one problem I had with the team is the same thing I said after the Anzac test this year. Having a 9 and 7 from the same team isn't necessarily all that good of an idea. Smith would almost always go to the side that Cronk was on, even if it wasn't the best option.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Didn't I post some stats that would suggest the opposite of this?

*sigh* those stats mean jack sh*t. Whether someone makes 7 or 8 or 9 metres on a hit-up really doesn't tell you much.

 

[Coaster]

No. I know his job is to go forward, and I don't think he does it that well any more. I've always been a big fan of Petero.

Way too many people catching feelings up in here.

It was a crazy statement.

The guy is the first picked IMO, he does his job every game i see him play.

No mistakes, over 100 meters every game for about the last 9 years, hard hitter in defense, no injuries, pulls 3-4 defenders every hitup, drops his hip into defenders, has a hit and roll technique to eliminate dominate tackles, the guy is a legend.

If the kiwis had him they would be a force.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

It was a crazy statement.

The guy is the first picked IMO, he does his job every game i see him play.

No mistakes, over 100 meters every game for about the last 9 years, hard hitter in defense, no injuries, pulls 3-4 defenders every hitup, drops his hip into defenders, has a hit and roll technique to eliminate dominate tackles, the guy is a legend.

If the kiwis had him they would be a force.

I'm pretty happy with the Kiwi's forward stocks, and I'm also happy to have Petero in the opposition when we play the 'Roos. I have nothing against the bloke, I think he is just a fraction past his best. A guy who does a very specific job like him needs to be at his best to warrant a place.

 

[user_nat]

*sigh* those stats mean jack sh*t. Whether someone makes 7 or 8 or 9 metres on a hit-up really doesn't tell you much.

The point was.. no one else did better. So why single out Petro?

Anyhow, what do you expect.. a line break every hitup?