4th Test: Australia v India at Adelaide Jan 24-28, 2012

[undertaker]

What is that clown on about..:?

Ryan Harris is from NSW..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/player/5779.html

It's a case of "amateur hour" from Ch9, not that it is surprising or anything. Just like most of their programs (e.g. A Current Affair), failing to do their research before sprouting information that is claimed as "fact". When you cannot get simple, fundamental things like that correct, it looks very unprofessional.

 

[Horrie Is God]

Say hypothetically we were to play England tomorrow in the Ashes. We have more than enough depth in the bowling atm. However, the difference between them (#1 in the world) and us is the batting. We are still susceptible to having batting collapses (i.e. if we lose 1 wicket, we will normally lose another 3 or 4 more in quick succession), and they have been happening a lot more frequently over the past couple of years or so. That's the only thing that worries me and hopefully will be rectified over the next 18 months or so before the 2013 Ashes. Although the grass has been looking green during this series, we are still very prone to repeating the mistakes of the past. Remember, it was only just over 2 months ago that we got skittled for 47 in South Africa (with nearly the same batting lineup) when there was no pressure on us, having attained a lead of over 180 after the 1st innings. The Cowan/Warner opening stand at the WACA was the difference between the two sides, as the rest of the batting lineup capitulated once the opening partnership was broken.

Here are a couple of Pommy collapses from this side..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/531628.html..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/428751.html..

 

[undertaker]

Here are a couple of Pommy collapses from this side..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/531628.html..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/428751.html..

I know what you mean, but they're nothing like the ones we've had in recent times. England weren't bowled out for less than 100 in an innings 3 times within the last 18 months like we have (vs Pakistan at Leeds 2010, vs England at Melbourne 2010, vs South Africa at Cape Town 2011). Furthermore, their batting lineup was never at 9 for 21.

 

[Horrie Is God]

I know what you mean, but they're nothing like the ones we've had in recent times. England weren't bowled out for less than 100 in an innings 3 times within an 18 month period like we have (vs Pakistan at Leeds 2010, vs England at Melbourne 2010, vs South Africa at Cape Town 2011).

I see your point..

But i'd rather be in our position than theirs heading into the next ashes..

 

[typicalfan]

Our number 3 is the main issue, I think Shane Watson will resolve that. Apart from that I think we are fairly strong at the moment.

 

[Twizzle]

I'd only take Watson if he can bowl, otherwise Oozi is our man

 

[undertaker]

I see your point..

But i'd rather be in our position than theirs heading into the next ashes..

In those three matches I mentioned, most of our dismissals were as a result of bad shot selection, rather than good bowling. I guess that's the blight T20 cricket has had on the technique of our players - when you're trying to play a test match like a T20 match. I know players like Dave Warner are majestic to watch when they're on song, but you cannot play like that forever at test level and expect to be getting 180 all the time. It's bad temperament. If you keep trying to go for the big shot all the time in test matches, you may get the odd high score but you will strike out more often than not and your 180 will be surrounded by a plethora of 5s, 10s, 15s or so.

 

[Horrie Is God]

In those three matches I mentioned, most of our dismissals were as a result of bad shot selection, rather than good bowling. I guess that's the blight T20 cricket has had on the technique of our players - when you're trying to play a test match like a T20 match. I know players like Dave Warner are majestic to watch when they're on song, but you cannot play like that forever at test level and expect to be getting 180 all the time. It's bad temperament. If you keep trying to go for the big shot all the time in test matches, you will strike out more often than not.

Viv & Gilly pulled it off..

Warner has got an eye like a dead fish..We are going to see plenty more Hobarts & WACA's in his career IMO..

 

[beads6]

super knock from Clarke and Punter. Looks like Haddin is trying to have his career.

 

[undertaker]

Viv & Gilly pulled it off..

Warner has got an eye like a dead fish..We are going to see plenty more Hobarts & WACA's in his career IMO..

In test matches,

Gilly pulled it off at the WACA in 2006 (which turned out to be his last test century), but his ODI style of play led to his downfall in tests and that's why his test average dipped dramatically by career-end. After his century at the Basin Reserve in 2005, he only scored two more test centuries after that and his average went from a high 54.90 and finished at 47.61 within less than 3 yrs. I think you'd agree with me if I said that although 47.61 is a good average for a wicketkeeper, it is not a fair reflection of Gilchrist's natural talent. However, the same could be said about other players who were naturally gifted (e.g. Mark Waugh (avge 41), Michael Slater (avge 42) , Greg Blewett (avge 34) etc). Don't get me wrong, it looks amazing when you see an innings such as Warner's at the WACA, but there is a heavy price to pay when you don't adapt to the conditions in which the game is meant to be played (e.g. like in a RL game in wet weather, you wouldn't be passing the ball all the time).

Viv was a genius, but was also sensible as well. He was brutal and described as the most powerful batsman, but he didn't try and murder Lillee/Thomson et al. every delivery.

 

[Horrie Is God]

In test matches,

Gilly pulled it off at the WACA in 2006 (which turned out to be his last test century), but his ODI style of play led to his downfall in tests and that's why his test average dipped dramatically by career-end. After his century at the Basin Reserve in 2005, he only scored two more test centuries after that and his average went from a high 54.90 and finished at 47.61 within less than 3 yrs.

Viv was a genius, but was also sensible as well. He was brutal and described as the most powerful batsman, but he didn't try and murder Lillee/Thomson et al. every delivery.

Warner doesn't have the keeping to worry about..

Warner's innings in Hobart was one of the most sensible innings you will ever see..He almost won the test on his own..

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Slow downy South Australian's :lol:

 

[typicalfan]

I thought the downfall of Gilly was that England found a weakness around the wicket with his batting, the first time anyone had really found a technical weakness in his batting.

He would have averaged more if he didn't keep.

 

[beads6]

I think 600 will be when we declare if we don't get bowled out before hand of course.

 

[Horrie Is God]

Harris zeroing in on his highest test score of 23..

 

[skeepe]

5-10 overs of hitting out then declare I reckon.

 

[typicalfan]

Harris is a much better batter than his average suggests, he is good enough to get good runs.

 

[Horrie Is God]

Harris is a much better batter than his average suggests, he is good enough to get good runs.

If Pidgeon can get a halfa then just about anyone can (bar the maestro Chris Martin)..

 

[typicalfan]

Even Chris Martin could score a 50 against the NZ attack.

Seriously though Harris should be a high teens averaged lower order batsman like Warne was.

 

[Horrie Is God]

More India bowlers with tons (3 with Zaheer on 96) than Aussie batsmen with them this innings..