6,7,8,9

[Forty20]

everytime I've seen him play he's been hit and miss, soon???...maybe!, flaws??..fitness, attitude and lack willingness to put in for the full 80...yes!! he can do worse than our current mob! much worse...I can't see why we couldn't offer him a part time deal as the potential is definitely there and he's still very young.

Since you have your finger on the pulse of wenty's talent, in your opinion how deep does our first grade depth extend into their squad. Come origin, injuries or simply more bad form who is capable of stepping up and making a first XIII jersey their own?

 

[Stagger eel]

Since you have your finger on the pulse of wenty's talent, in your opinion how deep does our first grade depth extend into their squad. Come origin, injuries or simply more bad form who is capable of stepping up and making a first XIII jersey their own?

lol...many argue that I wouldn't have a clue so it's only my opinion, but if i had to give you 5 players from the outset that I think can make a reasonable step up I would say the following, Tim Robinson, Mitch Allgood, lee Te Maari, Jono Wright and Tim mortimer

but there's 2 blokes i reckon that can handle game or 2 this year from NYC and that is Pat O'Hanlon and Rory Brien.

 

[Forty20]

That is a healthy mix of backs and forwards but by gee is our depth in the halves is paper thin! Still if worst comes to worst we can always field an entire team of backrowers...will likely fix all of our problems

 

[Stagger eel]

That is a healthy mix of backs and forwards but by gee is our depth in the halves is paper thin! Still if worst comes to worst we can always field an entire team of backrowers...will likely fix all of our problems

well it's not fixing Brisbanes problems at the moment..lol

 

[Forty20]

well it's not fixing Brisbanes problems at the moment..lol

B-b-b-b-but everyone here says all we need to do is move any given player into the second row!

Also St George go okay when they put a prop at centre, are we sure Caylo and Fui are really in their best positions? ;-)

 

[ParraAds]

B-b-b-b-but everyone here says all we need to do is move any given player into the second row!

Also St George go okay when they put a prop at centre, are we sure Caylo and Fui are really in their best positions? ;-)

It'd be nice to have guys like Prior and Creagh in our pack, I think the Dragons need some of our flair and we need some of their oomph.

 

[Stagger eel]

B-b-b-b-but everyone here says all we need to do is move any given player into the second row!

Also St George go okay when they put a prop at centre, are we sure Caylo and Fui are really in their best positions? ;-)

at the moment saints are winning the ruck, they're playing an up tempo game and are dominating at the play the balls..it just wouldn't matter who they'd put in the centres..

 

[Forty20]

at the moment saints are winning the ruck, they're playing an up tempo game and are dominating at the play the balls..it just wouldn't matter who they'd put in the centres..

Even Gaba?

 

[Eelementary]

Half backs don't have to tackle to prove their worth. Tim Smith organised, kicled, encouraged and played like a 7.

That is what we are missing, and that doesn't mean Tim ( would have been nice though), Jake , my fear is DA will play hard ball and keep picking the same team. Put them on notice and make some changes, Horo showed what can happen if given an opportiunity.

Robson is a backup plain and simple, stop trying to make him into something he isn't, which is perform at NRL level each week.

Ya...Put Tim Smith in our team at the moment and we lose to the Sharks by 30...

I agree - Robson is VERY average. But the one thing he does right, which is defense, he is doing right every week.

 

[parra pete]

Ya...Put Tim Smith in our team at the moment and we lose to the Sharks by 30... (OR MORE)

I agree - Robson is VERY average. But the one thing he does right, which is defense, he is doing right every week.

Too true. I am glad someone else sees it that way as well.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Ya...Put Tim Smith in our team at the moment and we lose to the Sharks by 30...

I agree - Robson is VERY average. But the one thing he does right, which is defense, he is doing right every week.

Perhaps, but Timmys kicking game would be rather handy right now. Cronulla might have scored 30 points, but we in turn could have scored 28

 

[Delboy]

Not to be too controversial, but I rank Robson below Jeremy Smith, but coaches determine teams and I guess DA doesn't read forums hahaha.

The question was asked why I don't seem to rate Mortimer, there are many people on these forums that watch lower grades, Colonel, Jake, Nikki, Jess, Stagger, Mits and Eeels47. Mortimer was not a always a stand out in NYC or at Wenty, to the extent that Hodkinson and KK were and even Maloney who killed it at Wenty ( so did Kelly). Morts is a backer upperer, for want of a better term. Hodko kept us in many games at NYC, one cold night at Belmore we were getting flogged by the Dogs who had a huge pack in NYC at the time, the 6 & 7 battled all night to keep us in the game, and did it with a pack going backwards. Anyone that watched the progress through rep teams and state teams will know what a loss these players are, we don't always pick the correct ones to retain.

Robson can't do that, Maloney will show what a mistake it was to release him as will Hodko, and Robson will tackle.

Anyway as they opionions are like backsides, everyone has one, so lingard -parra pete etc can come in and suggest things but if you had watched a lot of lower grade games, you will know that at best Robbo is a stop gap and a back up hooker/half, and we need more from the 7 and we will never get anything but catch and pass, and tackle with who is playing there and that is not good enough in the NRL.

 

[bartman]

Robbo is not a 1st grade halfback. People don't understand that if we had someone decent ag halfback in the GF we could have pulled off a win.

No.

Melbourne worked out how to shut down Hayne, and sadly that's all this squad was actually relying on in our run home... Hayne's freaky touches for that half a season.

Now every team is following Melbourne's example in shutting Hayne down, he's making errors, and it doesn't matter who you have at halfback when your $500,000 weapon has been rendered ineffective.

 

[bartman]

There is no way -
John Morris
Albert Kelly
Brett Finch
Blake Green or
Tim Smith

Are better than what we already have.

Agree.

My concern is that we really missed out on James Maloney and Trent Hodkinson.
I cant help feel that Mortimer got the gig because of his surname alone.

Hodkinson looked ok to me in the Manly game, and Maloney looked great on TV v Broncos. They are playing with confidence, while our whole side this year - for some reason? - is playing like someone slept with their team mate's mum...

 

[CrazyEel]

No.

Melbourne worked out how to shut down Hayne, and sadly that's all this squad was actually relying on in our run home... Hayne's freaky touches for that half a season.

Now every team is following Melbourne's example in shutting Hayne down, he's making errors, and it doesn't matter who you have at halfback when your $500,000 weapon has been rendered ineffective.

LOL, do you seriously believe that? Have you even considered the possibility that the ineffectiveness of the half is allowing teams to target everything on Hayne?

 

[Delboy]

Bart, we havea majopr issue at 7, we have no creativity at all and you want to shut your eyes to it becasue he can tacke and is a good bloke.

FMD, he wouldn't get a game in another side, and we have to face facts, we have a couple of forwards who need a rocket in their rear end ,and a 7 & 9 who don't do enough. Robson is in the way, and plays centre in defence, go figure what he does in attack, we scored zip agaisnt the gummies, we lack direction and you have to look hard at the 7.

 

[bartman]

LOL, do you seriously believe that? Have you even considered the possibility that the ineffectiveness of the half is allowing teams to target everything on Hayne?

Seriously, what Hayne achieved last year had little to do with who was at half.

So it follows that his inability to do that this year is more due to the opposition pressuring Hayne. If you blame the half for Hayne's form this season, you have to also credit him for that form last season... it's the same bloke, doing the same thing.

 

[bartman]

Bart, we havea majopr issue at 7, we have no creativity at all and you want to shut your eyes to it becasue he can tacke and is a good bloke.

I haven't met him, wouldn't know if Robson is a good bloke. And I'd be happy if there were any better options at 7, for Robson to be moved to 13. But Mortimer is not up to first grade imo, Ozzie pissed away $250K on that one because of all the media hype.

I just think the 7 is the least of our problems... it wouldn't matter who wore that jersey, it wouldn't instantly make any difference to the intensity of the pack getting dominated, the lack of defensive communication in the backline etc etc.

The issue is much deeper than a halfback - why aren't they playing for each other, enjoying playing this year? What's changed behind the scenes in four short months? Is it the disputes about retention and money? Who's not getting on with who? Whose egos are now getting in the way? etc etc

 

[IFR33K]

Seriously, what Hayne achieved last year had little to do with who was at half.

So it follows that his inability to do that this year is more due to the opposition pressuring Hayne. If you blame the half for Hayne's form this season, you have to also credit him for that form last season... it's the same bloke, doing the same thing.

Yeah your right, maybe we should give Robson another go, because his form warrants it, and we should give Jarryd a run at Wenty.

 

[akers]

i personally dont think we need a "creative" half back,i believe we need someone with a good kicking game and someone who can guide/push our forwards around the park...we have enough creativity from other positions on the field to be dangerous in attack..to me robson is not the half back we need,i think mortimer is the answer and since we have now invested in him he should be moulded into our half back