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A revolutionary idea?

miguel de cervantes

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Initially I thought this idea was produced as a joke, however after reading through 3 pages I see this is not the case. It really is a terrible idea... I remember 10 or so years ago I'd play mario cart on my nintendo 64. The bigger the lead I got, the faster the players behind me went. All in all, it meant that it was often more beneficial coming 3rd or 4th in the race.

Why penalise a team for getting a lead? I can see with your stupid system that teams would play in 2nd gear for the first 20 minutes of matches, as opposed to trying to set the momentum for the remainder of the match.

Worst - Idea - Ever

Why do most countries impose progressive tax systems? The idea is to benefit the group (the game) rather than the individual (the team), whilst still maintaining some incentive for the individual. MarioCart was a very popular game no?
 

Bring it home Knights

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Why do most countries impose progressive tax systems? The idea is to benefit the group (the game) rather than the individual (the team), whilst still maintaining some incentive for the individual. MarioCart was a very popular game no?
On Super Nintendo yes, I doubt on 64. I lent it to a couple of friends and they reckoned it sucked!
 

Bring it home Knights

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BTW your example sucks! How can allowing for equality (tax systems) be compared to watching a sporting event which has its appeal due to the most determined and skillful team often winning?

Ridiculous..
 
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Brimmer

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Miguel wasn't trapped down the mine with the rest of the chileans was he?

Then I might understand.
 

Chook Norris

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So if both teams score 4 converted tries, the winner is decided by the order of the tries? No thanks...

i think this is all that needs to be said really

i can see where you're coming from, but perhaps utilised at most in something like the all-stars match
 
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If you wanted to change the points system for teams behind to give them a chance to catch up it may be better to do something like last year in the All Star game. Wave your conversion right and go back and try to score a second try on one tackle. There is potential then to have an 8 point try. If you scored out wide it could be an option. Then if you score under the posts and were behind you'd have a decision to make.

You have to challenge teams to get back into the contest not provide them with a way out.
 

Willow

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No need to quote Orwell or acuse one of being pompous. You do agree that the salary cap exists to attempt to keep the competition level over a long period of time? Similar mesures could be brought in over shorter time scales to keep a season points table level, for example, or in the extreme case a game more even. Why do we draw the line at the salary cap? Is it fair to say that modern day premierships are worth less than St George premierships of the 60s because of the introduction of the salary cap?
Putting aside that you're taking the piss...

Nothing wrong with thinking about things and provoking thought in others, but to take your idea seriously to a point where you think it can actually work is something out of Bizarro World.

Miguel, I suspect this has more to do with stimulating your senses and less to do with providing stimulating discussion.

Comparing your scoring system to a socialist ideal is quite funny. Your idea more resembles an anarchist ideal where the rules and function of the game are thrown out the window in favour of something that in practice is quite unworkable... and we know what the bolshies did to the anarchists, right?

Socialism - in theory - is about common ownership that satisfies the public demand, and leads to increase in production for the common good. It is not about rewarding mediocrity.

Your scoring system rewards mediocrity.
 
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Pete Cash

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Initially I thought this idea was produced as a joke, however after reading through 3 pages I see this is not the case. It really is a terrible idea... I remember 10 or so years ago I'd play mario cart on my nintendo 64. The bigger the lead I got, the faster the players behind me went. All in all, it meant that it was often more beneficial coming 3rd or 4th in the race.

Why penalise a team for getting a lead? I can see with your stupid system that teams would play in 2nd gear for the first 20 minutes of matches, as opposed to trying to set the momentum for the remainder of the match.

Worst - Idea - Ever

They also get better items. Maybe the team coming second should get the rugby league equivalent of a turtle shell and a sniper in the crowd randomly shoots one of the better players on the leading side. Nothing mental just like through the leg or the foot or something.
 

Pete Cash

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Socialism involves the collectivisation of the means of production. I am not sure how a salary cap is socialist when sport is about as close to socialism as exists. Considering players largely own their means of production (ie themselves).
 

Slackboy72

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Socialism involves the collectivisation of the means of production. I am not sure how a salary cap is socialist when sport is about as close to socialism as exists. Considering players largely own their means of production (ie themselves).

I think you're mixing up communism with socialism. Socialism is a very wide and varied thing but at it's loosest it means the use of government intervention in free markets to achieve 'socially desirable' ends. In practice however it means government ownership and control of capital used in the production of 'private' goods or the arbitrary control of prices in the market for private goods. Neither of which apply here.

The state of the NRL is more akin to the running of a cartel where the owners of capital, the clubs, conspire to control the price of an input factor into production, in this case labour.
The fact that they have not been called to account for this 'price fixing' is because players can sell their labour outside the NRL in at least three other competitions, ESL, Super14 and now AFL.
 

miguel de cervantes

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The state of the NRL is more akin to the running of a cartel where the owners of capital, the clubs, conspire to control the price of an input factor into production, in this case labour.
The fact that they have not been called to account for this 'price fixing' is because players can sell their labour outside the NRL in at least three other competitions, ESL, Super14 and now AFL.

Correct me if you disagree, but I think parallels between a socialist government and the NRL can certainly be drawn in this case. They control the market by capping expediture of clubs to stop dynasties such as those that we see in other sporting leagues around the world.

I can only suppose that preventing rich clubs from acquiring strings of premierships by recruting the cream of the crop is accepted because this has little to do with what goes on on the football field. It is applying the same corrective forces on the field that puts people of the Cervantes system, perhaps with good reason.

Along the same lines, the prime, in my opinon, problem with international rugby league is the disparity between the top two or three and the rest. Notice that unlike the NRL there is no salary cap, ie. no cap on the talent that ends up playing for such or such country. Putting one in place would obviously be ridiculous, I think most poeple would agree. But why is a cap acceptable at the club level and not at the international level? Think back to what league was like during the dynasties of the past. This is what international league will probably resemble for the rest of our lives, if not longer. We can dream all we like, but the disparity is too great, it will never be caught up.

PS: Willow, go easy, it's the offseason. Would you rather discuss this sort of stuff or talk about the DJ on the Footy Show?
 

Willow

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PS: Willow, go easy, it's the offseason. Would you rather discuss this sort of stuff or talk about the DJ on the Footy Show?
I thought I was going easy on you. ;-)

FTR, I haven't even clicked on the DJ thread. Any other thread would be more interesting.

So how's the revolution going?
 

muzby

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maybe... just maybe..... we could take it back to schoolyard footy....

we play the game, but don't keep score...

and to finish the game, instead of a siren, the ref can simply call out at the 75 minute mark "NEXT TRY WINS!"
 

KeepingTheFaith

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maybe... just maybe..... we could take it back to schoolyard footy....

we play the game, but don't keep score...

and to finish the game, instead of a siren, the ref can simply call out at the 75 minute mark "NEXT TRY WINS!"

Not to mention it would clear up forward passes as the two loudest players on each team argue over the pass until the least stubborn of the two just throws the other the ball and gives up.
 

BunniesMan

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maybe... just maybe..... we could take it back to schoolyard footy....

we play the game, but don't keep score
...

and to finish the game, instead of a siren, the ref can simply call out at the 75 minute mark "NEXT TRY WINS!"

What schoolyard did you grow up in? We kept score from as early as I can remember...sometimes arguments about the score would lead to fistfights.
 
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