Adelaide Bears - Is Adelaide the right fit for Norths?

[Red&BlackBear]

Yes because being rational and capable of moving on so you can look to build something amounting to a bright future for the club makes you a "fake" fan.

We should all just wallow in the past and pray for re-entry into the NRL while the club fades into obscurity like old mate right?!

Considering how Dolphins were birthed as an NRL entity - your entire outlook is pretty spaced out.

Who would’ve thought a club from the 40’s with moderate following in its local region would have used its brand name and history to garner attention and accumulate growth outside that region.

These other locations SA, WA, TAS don’t have great pathways or development as it stands - some have none. So wouldn’t it make sense to bind a bid with an existing brand and contractually make it water tight that all pathways, development and business decisions from existing brand be directly filtered to this new location? Seems like a business model that’s limited risk to me rather than creating something completely new on face value but having no substance beyond the first grade and needing the NRL (which aren’t the best organisation with financial savings to begin with) to prop a new side up season in season out for a decade plus and therefore hurting other areas of the games growth eg junior league, women’s league etc due to them stressing over a new side alone.

At the very least a known brand or more so a business entity like Norths Group which has other financial ventures and assets outside of rugby league can help the development and growth of an Adelaide or Perth limiting the need to suckle on the NRL’s bossum for nourishing.

It’s actually sound business and at the end of the day that’s what the NRL is, a business. Like it or loathe it.

 

[Pneuma]

The bears can move to Moscow, play every home game at -6 degrees, and be named the Russian Bears. They will Putin every week (see what I did there). They will play the Kyiv knights in a two team comp that will go for two years with the winner claiming Crimea as a trophy. Based on this model international Rugby league comps will be used as a device for settling all international disputes into the future. Other than thst they can go into permanent hibernation. Thank you linesman. Thank you ball boys.

 

[Perth Red]

if we were talking an afl lions or swans style relocation. Ie the new city just adopts the brand but everything is else is new and owned by the city Then maybe. Only way it works. But that’s not what these second tier nswrl clubs want.

but, and this is a big but, you’d have to be very confident of the wifm For the new city.
This constant desire to add yet another Sydney brand back into the comp continues to make our sport look incredibly small, myopic and weak. We are laughed at for being a two state sport in Australia, this constant we can only grow if it’s via Sydney mentality is hardly helping the games perception. Maybe it’s time the nrl grew up and stood on its future feet rather than constantly wanting to resurrect its nswrl past?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The problem with the bears is 'we'll play one game at North Sydney Oval'.

Which will turn to 2 games. Then 3. Then 6 games. Then we're moving to North Sydney Oval permanently.

That actually isn't the real problem with the bears. The real problem is that their fanbase don't realise that the game has moved on and that it actually had moved on 20 years ago. They were poor on and off the field for a long time and their extinction was a natural progression of the comp, like Newtowns, like Glebes, like university etc.

Sad for the small ageing and diminishing bears fans but true.

And to their leadership- stop giving people false hope, its over.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

if we were talking an afl lions or swans style relocation. Ie the new city just adopts the brand but everything is else is new and owned by the city Then maybe. Only way it works. But that’s not what these second tier nswrl clubs want.

but, and this is a big but, you’d have to be very confident of the wifm For the new city.
This constant desire to add yet another Sydney brand back into the comp continues to make our sport look incredibly small, myopic and weak. We are laughed at for being a two state sport in Australia, this constant we can only grow if it’s via Sydney mentality is hardly helping the games perception. Maybe it’s time the nrl grew up and stood on its future feet rather than constantly wanting to resurrect its nswrl past?

Afl again. No one is laughing at rugby league, we are laughing at you and your 1 country anglo saxon dominated shitfest.

 

[Pneuma]

Afl again. No one is laughing at rugby league, we are laughing at you and your 1 country anglo saxon dominated shitfest.

Jesus I wish numbnuts would just go on bigfooty where he belongs and leave us alone

 

[Steel Saints]

If Norths came back as Adelaide Bears, Perth Bears or Christchurch Bears with no home games at NSO (or in Sydney), then that would be sensible.

 

[Perth Red]

If Norths came back as Adelaide Bears, Perth Bears or Christchurch Bears with no home games at NSO (or in Sydney), then that would be sensible.

Why?
can only speak for myself (well seems I’m in a majority according to social media) but I’m far far less excited by the idea of a long dead Sydney club playing games in perth than by our own club with our own brand and history to build.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

The problem with the bears is 'we'll play one game at North Sydney Oval'.

Which will turn to 2 games. Then 3. Then 6 games. Then we're moving to North Sydney Oval permanently.

That actually isn't the real problem with the bears. The real problem is that their fanbase don't realise that the game has moved on and that it actually had moved on 20 years ago. They were poor on and off the field for a long time and their extinction was a natural progression of the comp, like Newtowns, like Glebes, like university etc.

Sad for the small ageing and diminishing bears fans but true.

And to their leadership- stop giving people false hope, it’s over.

Not so sure about aging, many mid 30s early 40s people with young families around pushing this mate.

Biggest issue is your second paragraph - it’s false information that gets spread around then people who aren’t privy to doing their own research or reading things properly in context get confused and believe it. Usually the false information is unfortunately posted by people who wouldn’t have a the faintest clue either.

What can you do?!

if we were talking an afl lions or swans style relocation. Ie the new city just adopts the brand but everything is else is new and owned by the city Then maybe. Only way it works. But that’s not what these second tier nswrl clubs want.

but, and this is a big but, you’d have to be very confident of the wifm For the new city.
This constant desire to add yet another Sydney brand back into the comp continues to make our sport look incredibly small, myopic and weak. We are laughed at for being a two state sport in Australia, this constant we can only grow if it’s via Sydney mentality is hardly helping the games perception. Maybe it’s time the nrl grew up and stood on its future feet rather than constantly wanting to resurrect its nswrl past?

That same mentality just brought in a BRL/QCup side that started in the 40’s. If people haven’t seen how this management runs this organisation in relation to expansion by now, I don’t know what I can say to make it clearer.

But what I can say is clearly on evidence they believe existing brands hold more value than something completely new. Existing brands that have pre-existing development pathways systems, financially strong resources outside of just football operations and ability to grow the game via multiple outlets. Literally what’s been done.

That might change once this current administration leave and a new one comes in but for now this is how they operate.

If Norths came back as Adelaide Bears, Perth Bears or Christchurch Bears with no home games at NSO (or in Sydney), then that would be sensible.

That’s exactly what it would be in my view. The rhetoric of playing at NSO was a bypass of the CC bid. Different people involved these days, literally everything about their championing for relocation and readmission is via completely new faces.

 

[Perth Red]

That’s exactly what it would be in my view. The rhetoric of playing at NSO was a bypass of the CC bid. Different people involved these days, literally everything about their championing for relocation and readmission is via completely new faces.

theyve been pretty clear on their non negotiables
Games in Sydney,
ownership of license,
no change to brand.

they’ve been consistent on those three things every time they’ve put out public statements. None of those three work for the host city and therefore shouldn’t be accepted.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

theyve been pretty clear on their non negotiables
Games in Sydney,
ownership of license,
no change to brand.

they’ve been consistent on those three things every time they’ve put out public statements. None of those three work for the host city and therefore shouldn’t be accepted.

I see a decade hasn’t changed you being consistently wrong on many things.

Good for you though, keep up your good fight.

 

[Pippen94]

theyve been pretty clear on their non negotiables
Games in Sydney,
ownership of license,
no change to brand.

they’ve been consistent on those three things every time they’ve put out public statements. None of those three work for the host city and therefore shouldn’t be accepted.

Where has anybody from Perth said this recently?!

 

[Perth Red]

I see a decade hasn’t changed you being consistently wrong on many things.

Good for you though, keep up your good fight.

Happy for you to point me to any bears statement that doesn’t talk about those as being non negotiables

 

[Perth Red]

Where has anybody from Perth said this recently?!

Eh? I’m talking about what the bears have consistently said are their non negotiables,

 

[Pippen94]

Eh? I’m talking about what the bears have consistently said are their non negotiables,

Fair enough. I've stopped reading what u write too closely. Life's too short..

 

[Perth Red]

Fair enough. I've stopped reading

sums you up lol. Trolls dont read and analyse, fact

 

[westerntiger]

not enough Bears expansions threads

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Happy for you to point me to any bears statement that doesn’t talk about those as being non negotiables

You’re taking write ups by journos as gospel and rugby league statements as testament now? assuming you’ve been made privy to the conversations between the bid team and the NRL? Because I can tell you it doesn’t matter what you have read or think you know about anything Bears related - you are wrong.

 

[Perth Red]

You’re taking write ups by journos as gospel and rugby league statements as testament now? assuming you’ve been made privy to the conversations between the bid team and the NRL? Because I can tell you it doesn’t matter what you have read or think you know about anything Bears related - you are wrong.

I’m talking about the only evidence we have, which is direct from the bears board and ceo. not journos, not fans, the actual people who run the club. That’s the only evidence we have as of now.

If any of them come out and say we’ve changed our stance then great, but there has been zero statments to that effect and each time they do speak they double down on those three non negotiables.

my refusal to support them as a perth partner is based on the evidence we have, not on hypotheticals of what might be happening behind closed doors.

if they ditch those three demands then Welcome to perth, or Adelaide or Christchurch!

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I’m talking about the only evidence we have, which is direct from the bears board and ceo. not journos, not fans, the actual people who run the club. That’s the only evidence we have as of now.

If any of them come out and say we’ve changed our stance then great, but there has been zero statments to that effect and each time they do speak they double down on those three non negotiables.

my refusal to support them as a perth partner is based on the evidence we have, not on hypotheticals of what might be happening behind closed doors.

if they ditch those three demands then Welcome to perth, or Adelaide or Christchurch!

That’s no evidence at all mate - it’s just the same rhetoric that’s been spilled for years.

Things change, situations change and circumstances change mate - welcome to life. How about you stop being such a downer and appreciate the fact clubs want to invest in Perth?