Adelaide Bears - Is Adelaide the right fit for Norths?

[MugaB]

No need for the animosity. I dont blame any Bears fan for wanting their club back, and I dont blame any Perth fan for being very concerned about a Sydney club being the Perth license holder.

If they drop their three non negotiables
ie
1. License is held by the Perth consortium
2. All home games are played in Perth (this doesnt stop the NS LC offering Sydney clubs money to move an away game to NS oval)
3. The Bears brand is changed to reflect it as a Perth club ie Western Bears with a dash of yellow added to the red and black

If they are willing to accept that then it could very well work and could be a very successful partnership for Perth and NS LC.

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Well said, this should be the way....
But its more likely a compromise between the two is what will or should get this over the line....
This is the PR i fell in love with, when expansion was common sence, not just bickering between all factions, and poopooing the other bids for self preservation

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Lol you don't even realise they are dead. Are you pippen or his parrot? Either way I won't be reading you shit anymore. Perth playing at Adelaide

Who care less old timer - yeah Perth playing 1 game in Adelaide and Parra playing 1 game in Darwin and Panthers playing 1 game in Dubbo - who would’ve thought spreading games around the country would be novel old man

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Why would anyone in Perth or Adelaide support this?

Perth doesn't need a NSWRL club. It has enough support from Peter Cumins and the WA Gov to fund a team of its own.

Adelaide could be an option for the Bears. For it to work the Bears will need to relocate permanently to Adelaide and embrace the local community.

The Fitzroy Lions marred the Brisbane Lions by changing the club's trading name to Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Football Club Ltd.

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North Sydney would pull something similar in Adelaide.

What do you mean? I don’t understand how moving all grades over is a bad thing considering there’s no player pool to pull from - is the plan to just sign 30 random blokes and try make it work on the other side of the country? - it makes more sense in a growth sense and development pathways sense to just move junior clubs, women’s clubs and reserve grade clubs. You can’t just have the NRL side and that’s it - if it’s a full relocation which is what I’ve been saying this whole time - should be - then why wouldn’t you move all junior pathways with it?

Qld didn’t need the new side to be a QRL team either - Broncos Titans Cowboys proved that yet here we are with Dolphins - a QRL team. Which I go back to the original point I made, this administration wants low risk and low cost set up and an existing brand and entity is as low risk and low cost set up as you’ll get. I’m not sure why people still debate this, it’s literally what has happened.

BTW I live in Brisbane and no Lions supporter cares about what you mention regarding Fitzroy etc As long as they are successful and play well then people turn up.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What do you mean? I don’t understand how moving all grades over is a bad thing considering there’s no player pool to pull from - is the plan to just sign 30 random blokes and try make it work on the other side of the country? - it makes more sense in a growth sense and development pathways sense to just move junior clubs, women’s clubs and reserve grade clubs. You can’t just have the NRL side and that’s it - if it’s a full relocation which is what I’ve been saying this whole time - should be - then why wouldn’t you move all junior pathways with it?

Melbourne Storm didn't have a reserve grade team. They just linked with a BRL club. They've been very successful under this model.

Qld didn’t need the new side to be a QRL team either - Broncos Titans Cowboys proved that yet here we are with Dolphins - a QRL team. Which I go back to the original point I made, this administration wants low risk and low cost set up and an existing brand and entity is as low risk and low cost set up as you’ll get. I’m not sure why people still debate this, it’s literally what has happened.

Which is why I cannot see Adelaide getting in unless it's via an established NSWRL or BRL club. There's no bid from Adelaide and the risk involved is enormous should things go pear-shaped.

Perth does have businessmen willing to invest in a new team. The WA Gov is also keen to support a Perth-based team. Whether it gets up is yet to be seen, but it's definitely a realistic prospect.

If the Bears are serious then they will need to commit all of their games to whichever market they latch onto. There needs to be zero games at NSO and no reference to North Sydney. I cannot see the Bears making these concessions.

BTW I live in Brisbane and no Lions supporter cares about what you mention regarding Fitzroy etc As long as they are successful and play well then people turn up.

There was a dispute between the Brisbane Lions and Fitzroy Football Club regarding the club's logo.

Brisbane Lions settle logo dispute with Fitzroy

The Brisbane Lions have agreed to a compromise with the Fitzroy Football Club over their new logo

THE BRISBANE Lions and Fitzroy Football Club have settled their legal dispute over the Lions' introduction of a new logo.

Fitzroy, which still plays at amateur level in Victoria, launched legal action in December last year claiming the Lions' decision to adopt a new 'forward-facing' lion emblem was in breach of the 1996 merger agreement between the Melbourne-based club and the Brisbane Bears.

At the heart of the matter was Fitzroy's belief that the traditional 'side-on Fitzroy-style' lion be used by the Brisbane Lions in perpetuity - a belief not held by the Brisbane-based club.

The increasingly acrimonious wrangle reached flashpoint at a pre-trial hearing in May when counsel for the Lions accused Fitzroy of having a 'shrinking, if not vanishing' supporter base.

But with the matter heading for the Victorian Supreme Court the two parties entered into mediation, which has brokered the compromise.

As part of the agreement the traditional sideways lion will appear alongside the newer version for the next 14 years on all official club stationary and club publications as well as the Lions' official website for the shorter period of seven years.

The Lions issued a statement on Thursday night at the successful conclusion of the mediation talks.

"Both the Brisbane Lions and Fitzroy Football Clubs are pleased to reach this agreement and with the final terms of the settlement," it read in part.

"The two clubs have agreed that the side-on Fitzroy-style Lion symbolically represents the historic merger between the Bears and Fitzroy and the first 13 years of the Brisbane Lions competing in the AFL.

"Since the 1996 merger, the Brisbane Lions have participated in the AFL competition. The Brisbane Lions' home, away and clash guernseys - or any future club guernseys - have never been the subject of court proceedings and will not be changing.

"The Brisbane Lions wish the Fitzroy Football Club all the best in the VAFA and commend them on their strong grassroots community ties."

Brisbane Lions settle logo dispute with Fitzroy

The Brisbane Lions have agreed to a compromise with the Fitzroy Football Club over their new logo

www.afl.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

What do you mean? I don’t understand how moving all grades over is a bad thing considering there’s no player pool to pull from - is the plan to just sign 30 random blokes and try make it work on the other side of the country? - it makes more sense in a growth sense and development pathways sense to just move junior clubs, women’s clubs and reserve grade clubs. You can’t just have the NRL side and that’s it - if it’s a full relocation which is what I’ve been saying this whole time - should be - then why wouldn’t you move all junior pathways with it?

Qld didn’t need the new side to be a QRL team either - Broncos Titans Cowboys proved that yet here we are with Dolphins - a QRL team. Which I go back to the original point I made, this administration wants low risk and low cost set up and an existing brand and entity is as low risk and low cost set up as you’ll get. I’m not sure why people still debate this, it’s literally what has happened.

BTW I live in Brisbane and no Lions supporter cares about what you mention regarding Fitzroy etc As long as they are successful and play well then people turn up.

I think the opposite! Keep the elite pathway sides in ns to develop east coast players under the stewardship and funding of nslc and have WA elite pathway sides in perth funded by the WA Bears also (could even use the reds or pirates branding for these sides) . Best of both worlds, developing local talent as well as drawing on where the pool is deepest without kids having to move to perth till they are mature enough to do so.

 

[The Great Dane]

You ignore or take on face value what you want. Do you take everything Wests Tigers or Bulldogs management says on face value? Or any side who says their coach is safe only to then sack them?

It’s Rugby League ffs. There’s an art to media releases. People from the Bears can say they want a game or two at NSO all they want - here’s one, what if it’s an away team based in Sydney that takes a game there for extra financial incentive? Circumstances change - adapt, accept it and move on.

You're delusional if you truly believe blokes like e.g. Billy Moore are just trying to game the media for publicity. You're just allowing your confirmation bias to run amok at that point.

The Bears have had all the subtlety of a bull in a China shop for decades, and their 'non-negotiables' effectively haven't changed since the merger fell apart. There's no reason to believe that they aren't serious about them other than a desire to ignore any information that doesn't fit in with your worldview.

 

[Canard]

The Bears unique offering is there "brand". Which I think is of questionable value in 2023.

There are plenty of other non-aligned NRL and other clubs in QLD and NSW that could offer a big pokie den and junior pathways/feeder clubs and allow Perth to develop their own identity.

In QLD alone there is at least half a dozen QCup sides that have big pokie dens and extensive junior systems.

 

[Bukowski]

It's a garbage brand. When was the last time they won a comp? About 100 years ago.. Forced into a merger then couldn't even survive owning half a team. They stink

 

[flippikat]

The Bears unique offering is there "brand". Which I think is of questionable value in 2023.

There are plenty of other non-aligned NRL and other clubs in QLD and NSW that could offer a big pokie den and junior pathways/feeder clubs and allow Perth to develop their own identity.

In QLD alone there is at least half a dozen QCup sides that have big pokie dens and extensive junior systems.

Exactly, although any attempt to use a bear as logo would be challenged by Norths, what's to stop an expansion team that has nothing to do with Norths from using red & black? Nothing.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

It's a garbage brand. When was the last time they won a comp? About 100 years ago.. Forced into a merger then couldn't even survive owning half a team. They stink

did your nurses let you go out for a walk mate?

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly, although any attempt to use a bear as logo would be challenged by Norths, what's to stop an expansion team that has nothing to do with Norths from using red & black? Nothing.

Id fully expect if the Pirates get in we will use red black and yellow

 

[Centy Coast]

It's a garbage brand. When was the last time they won a comp? About 100 years ago.. Forced into a merger then couldn't even survive owning half a team. They stink

You need to get your facts right about the merger, it was a take over not a merger, Ken Arthurson and Bob Fulton used their power and influence in Leagues circles to Manlys favour, it’s no coincidence that in the merger terms everything reverted back to Manly if the merger failed and that the Bears CEO at the time ended up with a job at Manly Leagues Clubs and a brand new Maserati.
Many teams since the mid 2000’s have gotten hand outs from the NRL to survive, teams have finished with the wooden spoon multiple times over the last twenty years, yet the Bears had not had the wooden spoon since 1979 and 1951 before that before their last season in 1999.
In the 90’s the Bears were the most successful team to not have made a Grand Final, yet 1999 was their worst and last season in the NRL finishing 14th out of 17 teams.

 

[flippikat]

Id fully expect if the Pirates get in we will use red black and yellow

Absolutely - but a 2nd NZ team (for instance) could well take the colours of the Bears brand - without even involving the Bears- if added as team 19 or 20.

 

[Bukowski]

You need to get your facts right about the merger, it was a take over not a merger, Ken Arthurson and Bob Fulton used their power and influence in Leagues circles in Manlys favour, it’s no coincidence that in the merger terms everything reverted back to Manly if the merger failed and that the Bears CEO at the time ended up with a job at Manly Leagues Clubs and a brand new Maserati.
Many teams since the mid 2000’s have gotten hand outs from the NRL to survive, teams have finished with the wooden spoon multiple times over the last twenty years, yet the Bears had not had the wooden spoon since the 70’s before their last season in 1999.

Good choice of CEO.

 

[Centy Coast]

Good choice of CEO.

Tell me about it

 

[Canard]

The Bears CEO thing gets repeated a bit on LU.

I'd say it's an urban myth.

 

[Centy Coast]

The Bears CEO thing gets repeated a bit on LU.

I'd say it's an urban myth.

Maybe because it’s the truth dipshit

 

[Bukowski]

Maybe because it’s the truth dipshit

Either way, they went into a merger knowing it would revert to Manly and then let it happen. Not the sort of guys I want running an expansion club.

 

[mongoose]

The Bears unique offering is there "brand". Which I think is of questionable value in 2023.

There are plenty of other non-aligned NRL and other clubs in QLD and NSW that could offer a big pokie den and junior pathways/feeder clubs and allow Perth to develop their own identity.

In QLD alone there is at least half a dozen QCup sides that have big pokie dens and extensive junior systems.

the only people super keen on the Bears are over 50s who are in it for the nostalgia - not where the NRL should be aiming.

 

[The Great Dane]

the only people super keen on the Bears are over 50s who are in it for the nostalgia - not where the NRL should be aiming.

Over 50s from NSW, whom will only show up in force once a year when a game is played at NSO, and most of whom will quickly disappear once the novelty wears off.

The Bears offer very little to places like Perth and Adelaide, and only out of touch old blokes from Sydney/NSW whom are more focused on how they'll benefit than what's good for Perth or Adelaide think it's a good idea.