AFL players in League

[miguel de cervantes]

Yes.

Given that I coach Under 10s cricket and Auskick, the capacity for the unco kids to struggle immensley with any skill that requires balance, co-ordination and being on the correct 'foot'.

Bowling a cricket ball is more comparable to kicking a footy in that respect - I acknowledge it's a bit of a stretch to bouncing the ball on the run.

However - the need for timing, and a combination of actions - it's the old rubbing your tummy and patting your head thing. For a lot of kids it seems to be so foreign (until it finally clicks). And of course - there are those who are absolute naturals (probably at just about any sport).

Except we're not talking about kids, we're talking about any athlete, presumedly an adult. Mate, pull your head in, running and bouncing a football every 20 meters does not require a large amount of skill that couldn't be taught in a day or two max.

 

[Munro_Mick]

if only I was an U/10 coach and were as wise as you oh great supercoach

seriously, U/10 cricket is a modified game, its not ever real cricket and no one bounces the ball in Auskick, its not even real AFL

fmd

gee I hope you don't have kids.

In a world of T20, OD's and tests - plus cricket 6's - what the heck is 'real cricket'??

It's made up in the main of the fundamental skills and right from MiloIn2Cricket thru U10s and up we are attempting to teach fundamental skills.

In Auskick we DO teach bouncing the ball. Generally the kids who can do that are also the little freaks who can lay the ball across their boot on the run kicking a banana goal. They sure as heck are just freakishly natural players (my kids ain't).

 

[Munro_Mick]

Except we're not talking about kids, we're talking about any athlete, presumedly an adult. Mate, pull your head in, running and bouncing a football every 20 meters does not require a large amount of skill that couldn't be taught in a day or two max.

Most sport is about relatively simple mechanical skills. Even golf. Putting for instance. The test of sport is usually via competition. Pressure. Both physical and especially mental.

Could I teach your good self to run and bounce in a day or two? Probably. You might be a natural or you might be a wrong footed dunce with minimal 'touch/feel' for the ball.
Could you then execute it successfully potentially at full pace in a match situation? Dunno.

 

[AuckMel]

Could I teach your good self to run and bounce in a day or two? Probably. You might be a natural or you might be a wrong footed dunce with minimal 'touch/feel' for the ball.
Could you then execute it successfully potentially at full pace in a match situation? Dunno.

I think most people could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB6N0gk9XP0

Roundly lauded as one of the great goals, but accompanied by three of the worst bounces of the ball you'd want to see from an elite player.

 

[papabear]

All field games require defensive structures to be maintained as well as possible, and all field games see the rebound out of attack due to a quick turnover as the greatest point of weakness.
It's all about space and dangerous space varies from game to game.


Rioli is about 175 cm and 80 kg and Jetta 181 cm and 75 kg. On pure numbers you might be right but obviously a lot of factors come into it - running technique of course makes up for a lot. The 'handicapper' in this case forces Jetta to bounce and then to use the ball (in this case kick effectively to a team mate up field) at the end of that in some manner other than tapping it on the ground. Believe me - that is harder than you might think.



Simple answer is 'No'. That would be like saying that surely any athlete around the world could be taught to run in and bowl fast in cricket in a couple of days.
While rhythm is a greater factor in bowling fast in cricket - the general concept is that the even relatively simple sporting bio-mechanics become difficult under the realy pressure and the duress of fatique of a match situation.
So, yeah, perhaps we can teach said athlete to jog around the boundary at training bouncing the ball back reasonably successfully. That's only the starting point. Not the end game.

Also, I didn't know Rioli was known for his commitment to the defensive side of his game, I was under the impression he was a bit of a wizard in attack not so much defence.

Look I am not saying AFL is skill-less, just that I think more skill comes from kicking a great goal from a shit position then simply being quicker then another bloke in a certain situation (same as in any game soccer, league, union, nfl)

 

[Munro_Mick]

Also, I didn't know Rioli was known for his commitment to the defensive side of his game, I was under the impression he was a bit of a wizard in attack not so much defence.

Look I am not saying AFL is skill-less, just that I think more skill comes from kicking a great goal from a shit position then simply being quicker then another bloke in a certain situation (same as in any game soccer, league, union, nfl)

Rioli has had moments of super 'small forward' type pressure. His issue is more the inability to keep involved in the game for long periods.

Some commentators rated his pace quite highly and they were salivating over the prospect of what they got - Rioli trying to chase down Jetta.

Yes - when it's a pure foot race then most the skill goes out of it.

This is the point. In the Rugby codes and Grid Iron - the only real skill to employ then is evasion and the ability to not trip over the white line the crosses the entire width of the field to then touch the ball on the ground. Big ask!!

In Aust Footy, the skill at least is that whilst running the foot race, you have something to do with the ball (bounce it, and I've been mentally scarred by a dodgey bounce incident or two - but, local 'cow paddock' ovals don't compare well to the 'G),
but then also at the end of the run you need to use the ball effectively and after a burst sprint, that's the toughest ask, it's harder to balance and kick effectively at full pace (assuming being chased) than to bowl accurately sprinting in trying to bowl fast in cricket.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

In Aust Footy, the skill at least is that whilst running the foot race, you have something to do with the ball (bounce it, and I've been mentally scarred by a dodgey bounce incident or two - but, local 'cow paddock' ovals don't compare well to the 'G),
but then also at the end of the run you need to use the ball effectively and after a burst sprint, that's the toughest ask, it's harder to balance and kick effectively at full pace (assuming being chased) than to bowl accurately sprinting in trying to bowl fast in cricket.

:^oNo again, fast bowling requires more skill.

 

[Munro_Mick]

:^oNo again, fast bowling requires more skill.

it requires balance
it requires rhythm
it requires technique
it requires execution at high speed

the main difference being that the fast bowler is not being chased, about to be tackled or needing to bowl before being bumped front on,
and that the fast bowlers target is only 22 yards away and the stumps ain't moving.
The ability to be a quality fast bowler though is - you're probably correct - a greater skill conquering achievement.

for my point, it doesn't matter which requires more skill in degrees or absolute measures - I didn't assert which did. I was comparing a skill execution at the completion of a sprint, and fast bowlers and footy players tend to have more repeat sprints etc than say a javelin thrower or long jumper.

 

[papabear]

of course bouncing a ball whilst running takes more skill then not bouncing a ball and running.

It still doesn't make it a huge praise worthy skilled thing. Again, if you want heap praise on the skill of AFL players go for epic goals or even marks over a guy outrunning another bloke.

As for being hit whilst doing something making it harder. Well then you would appreciate league a bit more and possibly find more time to compliment it then for a sport that already has enough fans....