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Raider_69

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Wish they'd up it to U21's this year
i dont know how canberra are going to keep Kose Leilei, Joel Thompson, Shaun Fensom and Justin Carney all who are now ineligable and probably wont want to spend too much time travelling to queensland each and every week to play for souths logan...
 
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This whole issue shows how incompetant most clubs are, particularly the NSW clubs. There is no reason why the under 20s must increase to 21 or 22 except if you're feeder system between u20s and first grade is rubbish. Hands up NSW clubs.

I was talking to a bloke from the Broncos recently and asked him about this exact thing. He said that they like the u20s concept and they hope it stays as is. He said their attitude comes from the fact that they use it properly. At the Broncos they put their best 18 year olds into the u20 side this year but their best 20 year olds played Qld Cup. This will be the same in 2009, so the kids who are still u20 will leave the u20s and play in the Qld Cup. It's because the Broncos treat the Qld Cup as the main feeder to the NRL, not the u20s. They think that most players must play in the senior comp before they are ready to play NRL, especially the forwards, and know that some players take longer to mature and must be given a chance to remain in the system, again especially forwards. So that's why they have such an extensice feeder club network with Easts, Norths, Redcliffe, Wynnum, Burleigh and Centrals all feeding into the Broncos. The reason the NSW clubs are stuffed is because they treated the under 20s like a replacement for the Premier League, especially dullards like the Dragons, and they've been left with weak feeder structures between the 20s and first grade. They also thought that under 20s would feed straight into first grade without too much trouble, until they started to realise, "hang on, duh some players develop later". Morons.
 

joshreading

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This is why there needs to be a unified approach to the tier under the NRL that deals with over 20. The concept of effectively merging the QLD and NSW Cups into conferences to form an NRL2.
 
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This is why there needs to be a unified approach to the tier under the NRL that deals with over 20. The concept of effectively merging the QLD and NSW Cups into conferences to form an NRL2.
No it doesn't. The Qld Cup is fine. It's the basket case that is the NSWRL that is the problem and the way the NSW clubs use these second tier competitions. They saw the u20s as a chance to cut costs at second tier level and now they're suffering as a result.
 

Wicks

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This whole issue shows how incompetant most clubs are, particularly the NSW clubs. There is no reason why the under 20s must increase to 21 or 22 except if you're feeder system between u20s and first grade is rubbish. Hands up NSW clubs.

I was talking to a bloke from the Broncos recently and asked him about this exact thing. He said that they like the u20s concept and they hope it stays as is. He said their attitude comes from the fact that they use it properly. At the Broncos they put their best 18 year olds into the u20 side this year but their best 20 year olds played Qld Cup. This will be the same in 2009, so the kids who are still u20 will leave the u20s and play in the Qld Cup. It's because the Broncos treat the Qld Cup as the main feeder to the NRL, not the u20s. They think that most players must play in the senior comp before they are ready to play NRL, especially the forwards, and know that some players take longer to mature and must be given a chance to remain in the system, again especially forwards. So that's why they have such an extensice feeder club network with Easts, Norths, Redcliffe, Wynnum, Burleigh and Centrals all feeding into the Broncos. The reason the NSW clubs are stuffed is because they treated the under 20s like a replacement for the Premier League, especially dullards like the Dragons, and they've been left with weak feeder structures between the 20s and first grade. They also thought that under 20s would feed straight into first grade without too much trouble, until they started to realise, "hang on, duh some players develop later". Morons.

Started well but then you went off the rails

Increasing the age limit is going to cut the growth of the competition at the knees There will be too many 1st grade influenced players more set in their ways and fewer of the best younger players We would never have seen Seijka McKinnon or Hopoate

Neither are there the players nor is there the money for a fully fledged NSW competition without feeder relationships

Dragons saw the writing on the wall for years in regards to the number of players going from under 20s to 1st grade with little time in reserve grade and the poor development in splitting up the best under 20s players in your club between Jersey Flegg and reserve grade

The other clubs are the ones behind the times The Dragons didnt waste their time with Jersey Flegg including having to buy a number of players from elsewhere to make up the squad and we rested overworked players in the meantime and then sought a number of over 20s relationships in our region but didnt push the issue until those clubs were ready to make the committment

The purpose of the NRL teams should be NRL and NYC and other clubs affilated with them need to take some responsibility and step up to the plate

That is the model all around the world in various sports and this will be the model for all NSW teams

The more professional situations put all there weight behind the primary competition Do we want to end up with just one competition :? If we try with three I think at least two will fail We are better with two elite competitions run by the major clubs

You cant compare NSW to Qld where there are too few teams and each organisation is near the top of the money making tree

Broncos players will be disadvantaged in the long run and people will see how Bennett has warmed to the way the Dragons are doing things Only the oldest forwards in and out of first grade will not drop to the NYC
 

watatank

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What's the point of a youth competition if it's full of 22 year olds? And also, the age gap between Ball and NYC is significantly widened when really it should be a natural progression
 

Wicks

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Well exactly Dragons didnt need them

It worked so well for the Dragons that they ran off to Qld looking for a feeder arrangement mid-season.

That relationship was in the background for a while Dragons did some things on the fly because other teams did not step up

Burleigh themselves did not want an extended arrangement in the end

Next time you think things can be resolved in one or two years is the next time you should think again
 

Raider_69

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Perhaps the middle ground is an U20's comp with up to X amount of players under 22

So in a 25 man squad, you'd have say 20 players U20's, and a further 5 which can be U22... that would allow the better players or ones you want to take a chance on a few extra years to step up. Without damaging the youth league idea
 

The Colonel

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Well exactly Dragons didnt need them

The Dragons were quite keen to keep them in the system yet the Kennedy boys didn't want to go and play park football or travel every weekend to play in Qld.....

More and more of the under 20's will start to look at other competitions after unless they can pick up a decent contract.

Personally I think Under 22's is fine. Most forwards don't start to mature until then at the very least....
 

watatank

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Personally I think Under 22's is fine. Most forwards don't start to mature until then at the very least....

Valid point but I think that forwards are really not going to benefit much from running all over the top of 19-20 year olds...

Also you may see kids leaving the system earlier rather than later if this happens.
 

Wicks

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Perhaps the middle ground is an U20's comp with up to X amount of players under 22

So in a 25 man squad, you'd have say 20 players U20's, and a further 5 which can be U22... that would allow the better players or ones you want to take a chance on a few extra years to step up. Without damaging the youth league idea

Still tarnishes the image

The Dragons were quite keen to keep them in the system yet the Kennedy boys didn't want to go and play park football or travel every weekend to play in Qld.....

More and more of the under 20's will start to look at other competitions after unless they can pick up a decent contract.

Personally I think Under 22's is fine. Most forwards don't start to mature until then at the very least....

Seems like you are just guessing because the Dragons dont have an agreement with a Qld team and they have a team in the NSW Cup so they are in the same position as other teams and Bennett decided to go for other players

Kennedys brothers were a huge let down especially John
 

The Colonel

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Seems like you are just guessing because the Dragons dont have an agreement with a Qld team and they have a team in the NSW Cup so they are in the same position as other teams and Bennett decided to go for other players

That was the reason given for signing with Union - which they did before the deal with Shellharbour and NSW Cup was announced. Personally I think the NSW Cup gap is too big to be suitable feeder system as well and it needs to be revamped. Unlikely to happen given so many clubs have pulled out over recent years and gone back to their local comps citing cost as an issue.
 

Wicks

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That was the reason given for signing with Union - which they did before the deal with Shellharbour and NSW Cup was announced. Personally I think the NSW Cup gap is too big to be suitable feeder system as well and it needs to be revamped. Unlikely to happen given so many clubs have pulled out over recent years and gone back to their local comps citing cost as an issue.

Red V members knew about the deal in August
 

Dave Q

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They turn 21....uncontracted....we may as well shoot them.

FFS Lift the age limit to 35.
 

APRIL BELLE

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If they do this I would like to see them alter SG BALL to U19 and Harold Mathews to U17 and make these competitions FULL YEAR competitions.
 

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