Ah-kwilla You-ah-tay

[Big Tim]

You really dont get Yosh at all do ya Frankie

Its a chain.

Posters whip on the Mute in the NRL forum for being delusional, he rips on Yosh here for being delusional...... i dont know who Yosh rips on, but I hope it is someone on the other forum, or the Herald comments section.

 

[Yosh]

Its a chain.

Posters whip on the Mute in the NRL forum for being delusional, he rips on Yosh here for being delusional...... i dont know who Yosh rips on, but I hope it is someone on the other forum, or the Herald comments section.

I am the one who is at the end of the chain. I am The One, I am Neo.

On a serious note, I sometimes think Mute knows me personally and he must be one of the dudes whose mum is someone I've slept with or something...

 

[KempoKnight]

Its a chain.

Posters whip on the Mute in the NRL forum for being delusional, he rips on Yosh here for being delusional...... i dont know who Yosh rips on, but I hope it is someone on the other forum, or the Herald comments section.

Its really sad though dont you think. He gets picked on for the very same thing he picks on Yosh for. God must be proud.

 

[Newie is God's Country]

I am the one who is at the end of the chain. I am The One, I am Neo.

On a serious note, I sometimes think Mute knows me personally and he must be one of the dudes whose mum is someone I've slept with or something...

Is that why you moved to Korea? Don Juan De Yoshyo.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

Rowing down a river in a rough cut punt not a punt cut rough but a rough cut punt.

 

[Joker's Wild]

I'm pretty sure Frances is a she...

 

[Rudderriffic]

But this is the crux of the issue. Uate was critical to our attack because he needed to provide a threat all of his own. Without him a backline looked very limp.

But that's because the centres were struggling.

With all this future building and development, I hope Newcastle matures into a side that doesn't rely on a winger so much. I hope the knights sign, secure and develop a few centres who can make any winger outside them look like quality. If Gagai continues his rapid rise, we won't need to pay 500k for an effective right winger. Similarly I expect Newcastle to build a forward pack that can gain metres better than a winger can. I suspect this was the sentiment behind Wayne's suggestion at the start of the year that Aku play more like a winger.

I love Aku. I love what he brings to the game. I love what he represents. But if the Knights get to where Wayne is wanting to take them, Uate won't be irreplaceable on-field. Whether his marketability can make up for the shortfall in 500k is less than clear.

That just about sums it up. I love Aku, I love that he can score a try from what looks like an imposible position, and I love the marketability he provides for the club to secure the hearts of the more casually interested fan.


But for mine, a well constructed team that will compete at the top level over multiple seasons can't afford to have such a large chunk of cap invested out that wide. Look at any club with recent success and you will see capable to good wingers as part of their supporting cast. Not $500k a season star wingers. You could mount an excellent arguement that Aku is one of the best, if not the best, winger in the game. But throwing money at him that could be better utilized elsewhere is not going to win us a permiership. For the record, the last Dally M winger of the year to win a premiership in the same year was Willie Carne in '92 for the Broncos. In addition to that, the last winger who had previously won this accolade and then went on to win a premiership afterwards was Marcus Bai in '99 (Winger of the year '98).


Wing is probably the easiest position in Rugby League to find good young athletes to go out and do a job for you. They may not make the spectacular plays a bloke like Aku makes, but consider how many wingers with a fraction of the attacking talent of Uate are walking around with premiership rings. At the end of the day, I want to see Newcastle be successfull over the long term more than I want to see Uate run around in Red & Blue every week fighting just to make the top eight.


But it's all probably moot, as I believe Uate will sign for much lower than $500K a year for us.

 

[RABK]

I'm pretty sure Frances is a she...

Shows how little attention i pay to it.

 

[RABK]

That just about sums it up. I love Aku, I love that he can score a try from what looks like an imposible position, and I love the marketability he provides for the club to secure the hearts of the more casually interested fan.


But for mine, a well constructed team that will compete at the top level over multiple seasons can't afford to have such a large chunk of cap invested out that wide. Look at any club with recent success and you will see capable to good wingers as part of their supporting cast. Not $500k a season star wingers. You could mount an excellent arguement that Aku is one of the best, if not the best, winger in the game. But throwing money at him that could be better utilized elsewhere is not going to win us a permiership. For the record, the last Dally M winger of the year to win a premiership in the same year was Willie Carne in '92 for the Broncos. In addition to that, the last winger who had previously won this accolade and then went on to win a premiership afterwards was Marcus Bai in '99 (Winger of the year '98).


Wing is probably the easiest position in Rugby League to find good young athletes to go out and do a job for you. They may not make the spectacular plays a bloke like Aku makes, but consider how many wingers with a fraction of the attacking talent of Uate are walking around with premiership rings. At the end of the day, I want to see Newcastle be successfull over the long term more than I want to see Uate run around in Red & Blue every week fighting just to make the top eight.


But it's all probably moot, as I believe Uate will sign for much lower than $500K a year for us.

Good stuff, hard to disagree. But 500k may only be about 7 or 8 % of the new cap in 2014. So for a winger as good as Uate is i think he's worth 500k, especially if 100k of it goes to third parties and by his 3rd year he's on a long serving cap exemption further negating his impact on our cap.

 

[Frances the Mute]

Its a chain.

Posters whip on the Mute in the NRL forum for being delusional, he rips on Yosh here for being delusional...... i dont know who Yosh rips on, but I hope it is someone on the other forum, or the Herald comments section.

Who's Frances? Its Frankie Gents.

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Good stuff, hard to disagree. But 500k may only be about 7 or 8 % of the new cap in 2014. So for a winger as good as Uate is i think he's worth 500k, especially if 100k of it goes to third parties and by his 3rd year he's on a long serving cap exemption further negating his impact on our cap.

This ^

 

[Joker's Wild]

Aku needs to fix his line defence big time. The amount of times he has come in to cover no one and has ended up clutchimg at thin air is becoming a huge issue. Hell, it got him dumped from the NSW side FFS

 

[Joker's Wild]

Dude, he has been doing it in just about every game this year. His speed sometimes saves the day but it is a huge issue for him. It needs to stop

 

[Alex28]

Come on... If his attack isn't on song it is exactly when his defence needs to be at its best. Making those sort of excuses for him isn't helping. If he wants the big cash both aspects of his game needs to be spot on.

 

[RABK]

Yeh and it's very rare for wingers to ever get their defense 'spot on'. They all go through patches of periods where they make right decisions and catch every bomb and other period where they make a lot of misreads and drop a heap of bombs.

It's all about confidence and trust on your inside men defending out on the wing and i think the whole sides confidence and mentality was shot to shit after about 5 minutes today. The tries Uate let in were a hell of a lot less softer than the ones the ruck were allowing to stroll through.

Can you name any defensive specialist wingers? They're all out there for their attack, skill and speed - not defence. Any periods were your winger(s) are defending well and limiting mistakes is a bonus. For every winger you think has 'spot on' defence i bet i could throw up about 10-20 games where they looked like a goose in defence.

Aku doesn't need to get his defense spot on, just needs to ensure his attitude is a positive one and he doesn't get rattled when he does drop a bomb or misread a tackle. Didn't he just go through a period where he only let in 7 tries in the about 15 weeks on his wing?

 

[Rod]

I think blaming him for the Williams try is a bit unfair and I thought as much when Sterlo was placing all the blame on him for it during the game. Boyd was nowhere to be seen either.

The last one was bad though, maybe going for the intercept? In any event, his defence is a work in progress and hopefully his combination with Gagai in defence will improve the more games they play together.

 

[Apey]

I've always been critical of his defence too but deadset I genuinely think he may be the least of our defensive worries... our middle has been very brittle even when we've been winning games. Not sure if the stats reflect it but it feels like we are conceding way too many line-breaks.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yes the middle was very soft yesterday but this thread is about Aku which is why I brought it up in here and not anywhere else

A lack of trust in his inside man may be the issue but that is a pretty soft excuse when hes had a few different guys playing inside him lately, including Josh Morris.

 

[Apey]

Yes the middle was very soft yesterday but this thread is about Aku which is why I brought it up in here and not anywhere else

A lack of trust in his inside man may be the issue but that is a pretty soft excuse when hes had a few different guys playing inside him lately, including Josh Morris.

Yeah, I kind of forgot this was the Uate thread when I hit reply... carry on.

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Yeh and it's very rare for wingers to ever get their defense 'spot on'. They all go through patches of periods where they make right decisions and catch every bomb and other period where they make a lot of misreads and drop a heap of bombs.

It's all about confidence and trust on your inside men defending out on the wing and i think the whole sides confidence and mentality was shot to shit after about 5 minutes today. The tries Uate let in were a hell of a lot less softer than the ones the ruck were allowing to stroll through.

Can you name any defensive specialist wingers? They're all out there for their attack, skill and speed - not defence. Any periods were your winger(s) are defending well and limiting mistakes is a bonus. For every winger you think has 'spot on' defence i bet i could throw up about 10-20 games where they looked like a goose in defence.

Aku doesn't need to get his defense spot on, just needs to ensure his attitude is a positive one and he doesn't get rattled when he does drop a bomb or misread a tackle. Didn't he just go through a period where he only let in 7 tries in the about 15 weeks on his wing?

Yeah exactly. Wingers do have tries scored against them. It's as simple as that. The wingers job is made harder or easier based on what the players on the inside are doing.

As you said, every winger in the comp has had periods where they have struggled in defence.

It is easy as a supporter to expect perfection from outside backs in defence. Yet at the same time expecting the other teams we are up against to let trys in out wide.

There have been periods in time where Uate has looked impregnable out wide. The same can be said about Sau and Mcmanus. However expecting perfection from a winger in defense is an expectation that will never be met. I don't care which winger that is being referred to.