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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

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gUt

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So some of the arguments I've heard so far.

"Alex shouldn't have tucked his head in." - Thats a pretty unfair thing to say. He's going face first into the ground with the weight of three men on him. He has no arms free to break his fall. It's fair to say that instinct would make you tuck your head in.

"Cameron Smith shouldn't apologise as he had nothing to with the tackle." - No he didn't. But he did blame Alex for his injury whilst he was on the field. He is the Australian captain as captain of the opposition team on the night. Of course his opinion and actions are going to be carefully recognised.

"Cameron Smith isn't a doctor. He couldn't have possibly known the extent of his injuries." - True, but most other people on the field knew it was serious. Alex was screaming for help saying he couldn't move his legs. There were 8 or 9 people helping stretchering him off. I believe someone posted an article earlier that had Will Chambers say that he could see it was bad.

"Cameron Smith was doing his job as captain." - Yes he was. He was arguing with the referee for his own teams advantage. That's what captains do. However, and this is the crux of it all that alot seem to be ignoring, it isn't the human thing to do. The right thing to do that most will agree on is that Cameron shuts his mouth and just cops it.

"Cameron Smith hasn't tried to contact Alex since the incident." - I don't think people really think Smith should apologise for the tackle. He didn't do it. He should however contact Alex and say something along the lines of "mate, just wanted you to know that on the night when I was talking to the ref, I didn't mean to sound insensitive. I was just doing my job as a captain. Sorry." Fair enough, Cameron, and other captains, argue with refs all the time, probably a few times when players are injured. But it has been 15 months and it was a pretty significant moment for the game. It would have been mentioned to Smith a few times since. He has had ample time to contact Alex and explain things to him.

"Channel 9 are milking it." - Of course they are. It's channel 9. Is it anyone surprised? They're doing it now near Origin as the interest in Rugby league across the country is at it's peak. This argument is just trying to deflect the rage against Smith.

"Bringing Cameron Smith into this ruins the whole story." - Yeah perhaps, but again, this is channel 9. Are we surprised? They're creating controversey. Controversey creates ratinds. Again, this argument is just deflecting it off Smith.

"Alex is doing this to promote his book." - Maybe. If he is, he's obviously trying to increase sales for his book so that he has more money for his treatment. I thought it was pretty clear that he doesn't really want to sue the NRL. He loves the game. But he's got to think of his future for the rest of his life. He really does need millions of dollars just to have a comfortable life.

Calling for Smith to be stripped of the captaincy is well over the top and unwarranted. I think Wayne and Alex got it right in their comments. It shows Camerons character as a person and he got it wrong.

What happens now? Nothing. When the dust settles, Cam should call Alex and say what he needs to. And when it does, it should never make it to the media. It will mean more for both men if it stays private between the two.

Missed anything?

Fair post but a couple of things to note:

"Alex shouldn't have tucked his head in." - Thats a pretty unfair thing to say. He's going face first into the ground with the weight of three men on him. He has no arms free to break his fall. It's fair to say that instinct would make you tuck your head in.

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But he did blame Alex for his injury whilst he was on the field.

He pointed out what is true: McKinnon ducked his head and made the tackle worse. Are Warren Smith and Greg Alexander on everyone's shit list too? They made the same observation right as the tackle happened.
 

Maroon4life

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After watching some of last night's puff piece and reading his extract this morning he comes across as a massive f**k wit. Go ahead and Sue the NRL but do it so quietly and vaguely that we never have to hear from such a negative pessimistic merkin like you again.
 

Canard

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After watching some of last night's puff piece and reading his extract this morning he comes across as a massive f**k wit. Go ahead and Sue the NRL but do it so quietly and vaguely that we never have to hear from such a negative pessimistic merkin like you again.

Can we get this f**kwit banned or moved somewhere else please? The adults are trying to have a discussion.
 

ek999

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I don't think it is right to criticise Smith for what he said on the night. Everyone makes mistakes in the heat of the moment and he wasn't the only person to misread the situation and McKinnon's injury. Steve Mascord has admitted he did and as mentioned above Warren Smith and Greg Alexander were making similar arguments.

But what Smith said was wrong and he should have apologised to McKinnon at a later date - he would have had plenty of chances. To me that isn't right
 

chigurh

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Kimmorley at half time of the match:

"It's a hard one to go on report. Obviously Cameron Smith summed it up well, I don't think it was overly dangerous, there's not traditional hand through the legs and drive them into the ground, and unfortunately McKinnon did throw himself into the ground to try and get a play the ball. So Cameron Smith's got all right to say head doesn't drive in. I don't think he'll get charged."

Greg Alexander at half time:

You can understand Cameron Smith and he said look no one likes to see what happened to Alex McKinnon but if he doesn't duck his head well that incident probably doesn't get penalised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGze5cnZsfc

It is obvious that many people share the same opinion as Smith. We also know the club did try to get in touch McKinnon. Completely over the top reaction from some around here but entirely predictable at the same time.
 

betcats

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Fair post but a couple of things to note:



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He pointed out what is true: McKinnon ducked his head and made the tackle worse. Are Warren Smith and Greg Alexander on everyone's shit list too? They made the same observation right as the tackle happened.

Most decent people would not be concerned with arguing a penalty while there was a young man so who was obviously injured in a bad way and screaming about his breathing and feeling his legs. Not only that he actually blames alex himself while the kid is still lying there visibly distressed. Watch a reply of the incident, look at the players faces standing around, they all knew it was a very serious injury most of them looked horrified. There was no caring or compassion from smith though, he was just worried about making sure the refs knew it was alexs fault and not the storm players fault.
 

carcharias

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didn't need to be a doctor to see the bloke was serious trouble.

That in itself should have been enough for Smith to just forget about whinging for a penalty .
 

DiegoNT

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Most decent people would not be concerned with arguing a penalty while there was a young man so who was obviously injured in a bad way and screaming about his breathing and feeling his legs. Not only that he actually blames alex himself while the kid is still lying there visibly distressed. Watch a reply of the incident, look at the players faces standing around, they all knew it was a very serious injury most of them looked horrified. There was no caring or compassion from smith though, he was just worried about making sure the refs knew it was alexs fault and not the storm players fault.

I think you summed it up perfectly.
I can understand if cam smith argued with the ref initially, but the game had been stopped for a number of minutes and everyone at that stage knew it was a serious injury yet he still tried to argue with the refs and tried to put the blame back on Alex. Even after all this has happened he still hasn't apologized for his actions. Even if he couldn't get a hold of Alex personally he still should of made a public apology to nrl fans for his behavior and be man enough to admit he got it horribly wrong.
 

ANTiLAG

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Anyone know what is the basis of Alex's legal claim against the NRL?

Is it negligence is enforcing with penalties the lifting tackle rule?

Or he suing the NRL as vicariously liable for the opposing team players' actions on the field with that tackle? That seems a difficult case, because the tackle goes against the NRL's own rules and the players do not work for the NRL...
 
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Maroon4life

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Anyone know what is the basis of Alex's legal claim against the NRL?

Is it negligence is enforcing with penalties the lifting tackle rule?

Or he suing the NRL as vicariously liable for the opposing team players' actions on the field with that tackle? That seems a difficult case, because the tackle goes against the NRL's own rules and the players do not work for the NRL...

After last night I assume he's suing Cameron Smith for perceived bad manners.
 

gUt

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Most decent people would not be concerned with arguing a penalty while there was a young man so who was obviously injured in a bad way and screaming about his breathing and feeling his legs. Not only that he actually blames alex himself while the kid is still lying there visibly distressed. Watch a reply of the incident, look at the players faces standing around, they all knew it was a very serious injury most of them looked horrified. There was no caring or compassion from smith though, he was just worried about making sure the refs knew it was alexs fault and not the storm players fault.

I don't disagree with this but I think the reaction is way over the top. If people already hated Smith, which is most people, mix that with the emotion of this terrible accident plus a dash of media fanning the flames and this is where we are today.
 

Canard

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I don't disagree with this but I think the reaction is way over the top. If people already hated Smith, which is most people, mix that with the emotion of this terrible accident plus a dash of media fanning the flames and this is where we are today.

100% This.

I get pissed off the way that guys like Smith, Gallen, Ennis and Thurston bitch and moan and carry on to the referees. But I don't think its a massive issue. Especially when the full extent of the injury was unknown.

Regardless, I fully support McKinnon and if he does so, support his sueing the NRL.
 
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