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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

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carcharias

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Bolded is the crux of the argument.

I don't agree that he did know, you believe he did.

No amount of slanging shit is going to change your mind nor mime

well if he didn't know he is the dumbest merkin to ever play footy.
He was standing about 2 metres from the dude on the ground who is screaming that he can't feel his body.

what does that suggest?

please .........how can anyone stick up for Smith using that theory?
 

betcats

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Bolded is the crux of the argument.

I don't agree that he did know, you believe he did.

No amount of slanging shit is going to change your mind nor mime

Mate have you seen the footage? I think people are choosing not to believe smith knew because its suits the argument.

Slater said everyone knew it was a really bad injury straight away. Bennett said he knew up in the box. Like Alex said himself Smith would of heard the screams he would of seen him struggling to breathe. Smith is supposed to be the smartest guy out there, saying he didn't know imo in the biggest load of crap.

How often does someone come out of a tackle screaming "I cant breathe" or "I cant feel my legs"? He didn't know is just way to convenient when everyone else worked it out.
 

Danish

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Also, what money did Smith personally raise for Alex?

The storm passed the bucket around and sold bands at their game like all the other clubs, and did a special jersey auction for him. Smith's total personal effort was putting on the jersey given to him that day.

He may have donated personally, of course. Although I feel like if he had that would have been mentioned in the Storm's little hissy fit media release on sunday.
 

nomis88

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You do realise that Smith only became a hooker because he wanted to follow in the footsteps of one of his parents.
 

chigurh

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Also, what money did Smith personally raise for Alex?

The storm passed the bucket around and sold bands at their game like all the other clubs, and did a special jersey auction for him. Smith's total personal effort was putting on the jersey given to him that day.

He may have donated personally, of course. Although I feel like if he had that would have been mentioned in the Storm's little hissy fit media release on sunday.

lol what did you want him to do?

The hysteria in here is priceless
 

Bazal

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You are saying the fear of flight or fright is to roll into ball, I say you are wrong.

Look, clearly you've heard the term fight or flight on a documentary somewhere and have it in your head that it applies to any dangerous situation. It doesn't. Fight or flight is a situation where your body responds to being threatened by triggering the adrenal system into flooding your body with hormones so that you are hyper aware and responsive and ready to fight or run. Its one of many danger responses and just doesn't apply in this situation. Self preservation does. In this case the fight or flight is negated because the subject can't run, and so instinctively braces to prevent injury as best as possible. Where possible impact and injury of the neck is involved, that means tucking it in with the natural curve and flex of the spine, into your body. Like I said, just try pushing gently on the top of your head with a relaxed neck and tell me which way your neck bends. That's all the proof I need to show that you're wrong.
 

Spot On

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Mate have you seen the footage? I think people are choosing not to believe smith knew because its suits the argument.

Slater said everyone knew it was a really bad injury straight away. Bennett said he knew up in the box. Like Alex said himself Smith would of heard the screams he would of seen him struggling to breathe. Smith is supposed to be the smartest guy out there, saying he didn't know imo in the biggest load of crap.

How often does someone come out of a tackle screaming "I cant breathe" or "I cant feel my legs"? He didn't know is just way to convenient when everyone else worked it out.

Stop it. These facts just can't be right. Why would anyone listen to Slater or Bennett, let alone the other players on the filed who have said they knew something horrible had happened to him.
 

typicalfan

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well if he didn't know he is the dumbest merkin to ever play footy.
He was standing about 2 metres from the dude on the ground who is screaming that he can't feel his body.

what does that suggest?

please .........how can anyone stick up for Smith using that theory?

No one is saying if he had his time over again he would probably treat the incident differently. But really it is a trivial issue in the whole scheme of things. It had nothing to do with the actual incident.

I would like to hear both sides of the story.
 

Danish

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lol what did you want him to do?

The hysteria in here is priceless


I only mention it as defenders of Smith in this thread have tried to highlight Smith raising money for Alex as a means of him showing his concern or contrition, when in actual fact he did nothing more than what he was obligated to by his club.

The entire defence of Smith by the Storm and his backers in here is just window dressing.

He didn't know he was hurt? He'd have to have been standing on the field with his eyes shut and fingers in his ears for that to be true.

He tried to contact Alex afterwards? Mclean got through ok, as have plenty of others. Obviously didn't try very hard.

He raised $20K for Alex? Actually, that was just the Storm's contribution to the Rise for Alex round. And considering $1.4 million was raised that weekend it doesn't really sound like much to crow about.

Every defence of Smith's actions that night and in the time since the accident are just PR spin trying to hide the truth of the matter. And that is that Cam Smith simply didn't care as much about Alex's injury as he did about making sure his team didn't potentially have a player sent off that night.
 

DiegoNT

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In the fast forwarded videotape sent out to defend Cameron Smith, there is a period where you can see the shock on Cameron smiths face as he looks on at Alex being treated by doctors from both sides. For a player known for his calmness in all situations it was a rare sign of emotion. Unfortunately this only last minutes because it's not long after that that he is arguing with the ref that it isn't a penalty and that Alex done it to himself.
I have no problem with cam arguing with the ref early on in the incident, like many have said it's quite a normal thing for a captain to do, but to argue with the ref after all that time when it's quite obvious that Alex is in a lot of trouble, that's what so many of us have a problem with and that is not normal behavior
 

shear_joy9

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reading some of the comments here you would think Smith intentionally went out and snapped McKinnon's spine himself
 

chigurh

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I only mention it as defenders of Smith in this thread have tried to highlight Smith raising money for Alex as a means of him showing his concern or contrition, when in actual fact he did nothing more than what he was obligated to by his club.

The entire defence of Smith by the Storm and his backers in here is just window dressing.

He didn't know he was hurt? He'd have to have been standing on the field with his eyes shut and fingers in his ears for that to be true.

He tried to contact Alex afterwards? Mclean got through ok, as have plenty of others. Obviously didn't try very hard.

He raised $20K for Alex? Actually, that was just the Storm's contribution to the Rise for Alex round. And considering $1.4 million was raised that weekend it doesn't really sound like much to crow about.

Every defence of Smith's actions that night and in the time since the accident are just PR spin trying to hide the truth of the matter. And that is that Cam Smith simply didn't care as much about Alex's injury as he did about making sure his team didn't potentially have a player sent off that night.

I don't get why anyone is defending Smith either, considering he has done absolutely nothing wrong.
 

chigurh

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reading some of the comments here you would think Smith intentionally went out and snapped McKinnon's spine himself

I can understand and don't begrudge McKinnon being angry, and having it pointed out to you that you may have contrbitued to your own injury would certainly be hard to take, but the reaction around here is rather lol-worthy.
 

carcharias

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reading some of the comments here you would think Smith intentionally went out and snapped McKinnon's spine himself

reading some of the comments in here you would think McKinnon snapped his own spine and Smith had kept his mouth shut about it.
 

Maximus

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McKinnon also needs to face the fact that Smith nor did anyone else know the extent of the injury! Now he might think to himself "well I'm being stretchered off.." My response to that there are many instances of players getting stretchered off and more often than not its just precautionary.

How many of those others who get stretchered off are also heard screaming that they can't breathe or feel their legs? No he may not have known that McKinnon was paralysed, but it was still obvious the injury was serious. Bennett and Slater have both said they knew it was bad. Chambers said he had to walk away and couldn't watch what was happening. Clydesdale backed away from the situation as fast as possible. No they may not have known he was paralysed, but they knew something was seriously wrong.

Think back to when Wolfman broke his neck and Slater cradled him until help arrived. Slater had no way of knowing how bad it was, but his first thought was helping Wolfman.

including raising money.

He wore a jersey with a different number for 1 game, and it was while numerous other players did the same thing. Big deal. The NRL likely went and asked a whole bunch of high profile players to do it, and it's not like he could have said no.

Just because he has been injured does not mean everyone has to agree with what was said.

The truth is before the interview McKinnon had unanimous public support, but now, judging from the overwhelming public sentiment since 60 minutes, he no longer does.

That says more about you and others than it does him. The fact that people stop supporting him purely because he was upset by Smith's comments is disgusting.

I would be ashamed of myself if I ever felt my state/team loyalties was more important than supporting someone who may never walk again.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...k=3512dad1f41775693a62aef023a0dc2b-1436231590

Cameron Smith unfairly cast as a villain in McKinnon story

The Australian
July 07, 2015 12:00AM

The 2012 grand final. Lincoln Lewis, noted thespian and son of Wally ‘‘The King’’ Lewis, sits in the crowd at ANZ Stadium wearing a Melbourne Storm jersey with the No 9 on its back.

Obvious question. Why is Lewis a Storm fan when his *father was the Brisbane Broncos’ inaugural captain? From where does this affinity with the Storm emanate? The answer. When Wally Lewis was in Melbourne recovering from brain surgery, Smith led a procession of Storm players to the hospital each day.

Amid the myriad of visitors, Smith was the one constant. Rain, hail or shine, he would make a pilgrimage to offer support to Lewis and his family.

Does that sound like the *actions of a man without a heart? A man whose only concern is winning football games? As one person close to Smith noted *yesterday, if he had been given the chance he would have been at Alex McKinnon’s hospital bed every day as well.

Instead, Smith and his teammates were told to stay away by Newcastle officials. Not for days, not for weeks, but for months on end. All the while, McKinnon’s anger festered until it exploded in an attack on Smith only days before one of the biggest games of his career.

If this was about a phone call, then blame lies on many fronts. Sure, Smith could have picked up the phone and given McKinnon a call. But if Knights officials were aware of McKinnon’s enmity towards Smith, why didn’t they pass on a message so the Storm skipper could extend an olive branch?

Then-Newcastle coach Wayne Bennett has a relationship with Melbourne’s Craig Bellamy stretching back decades, yet at no point did he *inform anyone in Melbourne of McKinnon’s feelings. It is understood that Bellamy’s relationship with Bennett has been strained by the events of last year, yet all it required was a phone call.

Instead, Smith was hung out to dry by Channel Nine’s 60 *Minutes as they replayed footage of the Storm skipper arguing with the officials about the *tackle which ended McKinnon’s career. No dispute, it was a bad look. Yet it needs to be put in context. In the absence of any knowledge of the extent of McKinnon’s injuries, Smith’s primary concern at the time was with his own player, Jordan McLean.

McLean became one of the centrepieces of the story afterwards as well. For months, we all wondered whether McLean had spoken to McKinnon. Whether he had found the courage to make the call.

During that period, no one asked whether Smith had contacted the injured Newcastle forward. It wasn’t an issue. His actions, while they were spoken about in the immediate aftermath to McKinnon’s injury, were quickly forgotten. Smith didn’t forget. He honoured McKinnon by wearing his jersey number in the Rise for Alex round, which he helped launch along with NSW captain Paul Gallen.

More than a year later, Smith’s response has come into question and the criticism arrives as he prepares for one of the biggest games of his career. At Suncorp Stadium tomorrow night, Smith will move alongside Darren Lockyer as the most capped State of Origin player of all time. At the same time, he will doing everything in his power to ensure Queensland regain the Origin shield. McKinnon’s comments will hang in the air.

Smith’s Queensland teammates wrapped a protective blanket around him yesterday. It is understood he didn’t watch the story when it went to air on Sunday night but is likely to do so in the days after Origin III.

By then, he will be back in Melbourne surrounded by more familiar faces. Support has arrived from many quarters, just as it did for McKinnon. Even in NSW, there is a level of sympathy for Smith. Like Lincoln Lewis, plenty of people see the good side in a man who has suddenly been cast as a villain.
 

Canard

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Mate have you seen the footage? I think people are choosing not to believe smith knew because its suits the argument.

Slater said everyone knew it was a really bad injury straight away. Bennett said he knew up in the box. Like Alex said himself Smith would of heard the screams he would of seen him struggling to breathe. Smith is supposed to be the smartest guy out there, saying he didn't know imo in the biggest load of crap.

How often does someone come out of a tackle screaming "I cant breathe" or "I cant feel my legs"? He didn't know is just way to convenient when everyone else worked it out.

Mason seemed to have no idea and wanted to carry on with some childish bullshit, same as Beau Scott.

I'm sure in hindsight everyone recalled that it was bad.

It's always easy to make a judgement after the fact watching the footage 10 times over
 

chigurh

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Instead, Smith and his teammates were told to stay away by Newcastle officials. Not for days, not for weeks, but for months on end.

There you have it.

Some will no doubt still complain that he could have phoned him, but if you are being turned away constantly the likely, rational opinion you are going to form is that "he doesn't want to speak with me." In that scenario, attempting to make contact despite those wishes would be the wrong thing to do.
 

Canard

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In the fast forwarded videotape sent out to defend Cameron Smith, there is a period where you can see the shock on Cameron smiths face as he looks on at Alex being treated by doctors from both sides. For a player known for his calmness in all situations it was a rare sign of emotion. Unfortunately this only last minutes because it's not long after that that he is arguing with the ref that it isn't a penalty and that Alex done it to himself.
I have no problem with cam arguing with the ref early on in the incident, like many have said it's quite a normal thing for a captain to do, but to argue with the ref after all that time when it's quite obvious that Alex is in a lot of trouble, that's what so many of us have a problem with and that is not normal behavior


You do see Hoffman talking to Smith quite a bit. If you wanted to speculate, you could suggest that he encouraged Smith to take it further.

I truly believe that until this came out, Smith had no idea Alex felt this way.
 
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