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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

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Canard

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Given the incident is virtually unprecedented, what exactly are you basing your opinion that every other NRL captain would have acted in the same disgraceful manner?

I was angry at him while he was doing it. Check the match day thread and you'll see my comments highlighting Smith being an asshole for arguing about the tackle.

You always upset with Cam Smith though and have been for years.

Every NRL captain approaches the referee and tries to influence them, you can't honestly say he knew he was paralysed at that time, but continued anyway
 

Craig Johnston

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i get that there are smith beerhunters who will blindly stick up for smith because they somehow perceive this story as an attack against their state, but to go as far as saying they hope mckinnon doesn't make as much money from his book sales and lost respect for him, you lot need a good long hard look at yourselves in the mirror. he's now a quadraplegic who for the first time shared how he felt. it should be a priviledge to have seen that. do you think you somehow own a right to tell him how to feel? it's his feelings no matter how much you agree or disagree and until you're sitting in his shoes or live with a similar disability, then you should as alex said....just shut the f**k up
 

Canard

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People keep saying Smith should of been allowed to have his say on Sunday but why? Alex is entitled to feel how he does no one can tell him differently. Smith has already had his say when McKinnon was on the ground struggling to breathe, where was Alex's right of reply when he was being blamed for this?

Balance is a hallmark of good journalism.

Smith may have explained his thinking at the time, and what he did post the incident, including raising money.

By the way all those FB posts that appear to be from Gals account defending Smith, are they legit?
 

Canard

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i get that there are smith beerhunters who will blindly stick up for smith because they somehow perceive this story as an attack against their state, but to go as far as saying they hope mckinnon doesn't make as much money from his book sales and lost respect for him, you lot need a good long hard look at yourselves in the mirror. he's now a quadraplegic who for the first time shared how he felt. it should be a priviledge to have seen that. do you think you somehow own a right to tell him how to feel? it's his feelings no matter how much you agree or disagree and until you're sitting in his shoes or live with a similar disability, then you should as alex said....just shut the f**k up

To me those people are scum. Alex seems like a great guy and deserves the best that can be given to him, including sueing the NRL.

By the way he is paraplegic not quad.
 

chigurh

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i get that there are smith beerhunters who will blindly stick up for smith because they somehow perceive this story as an attack against their state, but to go as far as saying they hope mckinnon doesn't make as much money from his book sales and lost respect for him, you lot need a good long hard look at yourselves in the mirror. he's now a quadraplegic who for the first time shared how he felt. it should be a priviledge to have seen that. do you think you somehow own a right to tell him how to feel? it's his feelings no matter how much you agree or disagree and until you're sitting in his shoes or live with a similar disability, then you should as alex said....just shut the f**k up

Just because he has been injured does not mean everyone has to agree with what was said.

The truth is before the interview McKinnon had unanimous public support, but now, judging from the overwhelming public sentiment since 60 minutes, he no longer does.
 

carcharias

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Definitely, the book needed a hook and Smith was it.

At least the silver lining in this is it's made channel nine look terrible.

what a load of bullshit.
As if he was thinking about selling books when they were watching smith make those comments during the interview.
Absolute crap.
 

macavity

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Course you do. Remind me how many premierships Melbourne have won again?

This of course is the poster that believes McKinnon should have just allowed himself to be driven face first into the turf.

Cameron Smith is dead-set the OJ of the rugby league world, with a better PR team. Someone like Josh Reynolds is pillared as the head grub of the competition and the man everyone loves to hate...yet a guy who managed himself during the two contracts era when every other manager involved was banned, was a major player in the advent of the chicken wing era (look at old 08 tapes and how grubby he was), spends 10 mins of his life trying to blame a major injury on the player himself and whatever else is somehow held up as farting rainbows and probably should have his #9 retired so no one else can wear it.

This. smith may be a gentleman off the field for all any of us know, but he wilfully and knowingly conspired to cheat the cap and on the field he is an absolute scumbag. If he wasn't a QLDer and played for one of the unprotected clubs there is no way he gets close to captaining anything - he would probably have been banned for his part in the cheating and he would have had some lengthy suspensions too.
 

Craig Johnston

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Alex McKinnon has right to be angry, doesn’t deserve public backlash, writes Paul Kent
Paul Kent The Daily Telegraph July 07, 2015 12:00AM

A LOT of people got what they wanted Sunday night. And then turned when it didn’t suit.

For 15 months Alex McKinnon has worked on his broken body, mostly in private, while we waited for the story to explode in a ball of triumph and feel-good emotions.

It was going to be simple, heartwarming. An inspiration, and when it finally came out he would make us all feel better about ourselves for a small moment before we went back to our lives and he went back to his recovery that never ends.

Little did we know of the whole story. How close he came to death that first week after breaking his neck, with pneumonia, or his desire to die so he would no longer be a burden on those he loved. Or his private anger at Cameron Smith.

Given the sensitivities of his injury much of Alex’s story was kept confidential. Almost the entire media gave him the professional courtesy of revealing his story, at his discretion.

I did not know Alex before his accident. I met him after watching one of those Knights’ updates and figured there must be days of great boredom in hospital and so I burned some sports documentaries onto DVDs and went to the Royal North Shore Hospital, unannounced.

I told the nurse I wanted to drop them off for Alex McKinnon.

She came back five minutes later.

“Alex is just getting dressed but if you can wait ...” she said.

Scott McKinnon, Alex’s father, came out and as Alex dressed we sat in the sun and talked and I began to hear how lucky Alex was to be alive along with the rest of it.

And so it finally came Sunday night on 60 Minutes.

Most tuned in expecting the sporting cliche, the feel-good story.

Instead they got a dose of reality.
“Is he still debating? Is he f...... serious?” McKinnon says when he sees Smith arguing with the referee over whether there should be a penalty following the tackle that left him a quadriplegic.

“Wouldn’t you just shut up?”

The game was held up almost 10 minutes while McKinnon was stabilised and stretchered off.

The scene angers McKinnon’s supporters and provokes those backing Smith, who argue he could not have known the seriousness of McKinnon’s injury, into violent defence.

With each hour since, public opinion increasingly sides with Smith. McKinnon, it seems, did not fill the narrative like they would have preferred.

Others, unable to defend Smith by blaming Alex, blame the third person in the conversation, 60 Minutes.

It was media “commercialism” and “sensationalism” when, in fact, it was what they wanted all along.

An honest story. Alex, unvarnished.

It makes the backlash hard to understand.

It seems, having been robbed of the right to walk, people now want to rob Alex of the right to be angry about it.

Our values now seem so out of whack that we comfortably allow ourselves the right to be angry at McKinnon for his comments about Smith, but do not believe McKinnon has the right to be angry at being left a quadriplegic.

Good grief.

So viciously is this battle being fought on a new front, the point has been lost.

Whether you agree with McKinnon or not he is entitled to feel how he feels. They are his emotions.

Yes, this is unfortunate for Smith, who surely is also carrying some burden.

Everybody who knows Smith knows he made a mistake and would be struggling.

“On the night,” Wayne Bennett told 60 Minutes, “I’ve got to assume he just got it wrong.”

Bennett knows, like we all do, that Smith is a very decent man. But even good men make mistakes, and good ones correct them.

Some months after McKinnon’s injury a text came through on his phone.

It was Jordan McLean apologising, and McKinnon told Liz Hayes he did not need McLean to say sorry.

“I now he’d be sorry,” he said. “I’m not angry.”

While McKinnon was still angry at the time the text came, McLean’s efforts allowed him to reach closure.

Sunday’s night’s anger at Smith is an acknowledgment that he feels Smith has failed there.

Melbourne has since put out a statement saying the Storm players tried several times to visit McKinnon when he was hospitalised in Melbourne.

Given he was fighting to save his life, and then stop himself from wanting to die, it’s understandable they were denied.

Yet where that leaves us is a community in need of help.

We have become a society without empathy, our anger expressed in 140 characters or less. With each angry reply few realise that, no matter which side we end up on here, we all lose.

It’s understandable 60 Minutes was not what we expected and many are disappointed at missing their feel-good moment.

It is also worth remembering, though, that fate ran off with Alex McKinnon’s “happily ever after ...” in round three last year, and nobody more than him is entitled to feel how he feels.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/ale.../story-e6frf3ou-1227431353697?from=public_rss

summed up perfectly
 

Diesel

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I haven't seen 60 Minutes but I knew they'd skew it towards emotions. I feel like McKinnon wasn't given the best advice about 60 Minutes but who are we to judge, and you can't blame him for feeling the way he is.
How is his recovery overall? I notice he has limited movement in one arm/hand? Did they speak about his recovery he has or where on his body he has feeling or movement?
 

Craig Johnston

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if it wasn't 60 minutes it'd be another platform you'd all be complaining about, just face it, it's the raw content that doesn't sit with everyone. stop whinging about the platform and using it as an excuse to deflect smith
 

betcats

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Balance is a hallmark of good journalism.

Smith may have explained his thinking at the time, and what he did post the incident, including raising money.

By the way all those FB posts that appear to be from Gals account defending Smith, are they legit?


I don't care what Gallen says or thinks in regards to this or any other players for or against smith it wont affect my thinking. My mind was made up when I watched it live last year and I said as much back then.

Im not going to defend channel 9s journalism, I didn't even watch the interview tbh as I hate that show, I just don't think there is much you can say to defend what Smith did on the field.

In fact every defence of smith ive read so far has been bullshit or a stretch at best. The charity stuff obviously is a good thing and that is a good point but the rest pretty much amounts to:

"he didn't know how serious it was" - Well everyone at the stadium(including every other player on the field) worked out pretty quickly this was something very bad, we have had Slater and Bennett say straight away they knew.

'Every captain would of done that" - Really? every captain would of blamed Mckinnon for that while he was still on the field trying to breathe? I can as easily say every other captain would of realised that everything should wait until alex is looked after and moved like every other person on the field did.

"The storm to contact them and the knights said no" Once again this didn't stop Jordan McClean getting him a message so I don't see how this is an excuse at all.
 

carcharias

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I don't care what Gallen says or thinks in regards to this or any other players for or against smith it wont affect my thinking. My mind was made up when I watched it live last year and I said as much back then.

Im not going to defend channel 9s journalism, I didn't even watch the interview tbh as I hate that show, I just don't think there is much you can say to defend what Smith did on the field.

In fact every defence of smith ive read so far has been bullshit or a stretch at best. The charity stuff obviously is a good thing and that is a good point but the rest pretty much amounts to:

"he didn't know how serious it was" - Well everyone at the stadium(including every other player on the field) worked out pretty quickly this was something very bad, we have had Slater and Bennett say straight away they knew.

'Every captain would of done that" - Really? every captain would of blamed Mckinnon for that while he was still on the field trying to breathe? I can as easily say every other captain would of realised that everything should wait until alex is looked after and moved like every other person on the field did.

"The storm to contact them and the knights said no" Once again this didn't stop Jordan McClean getting him a message so I don't see how this is an excuse at all.

Paul Kent reckons he just walked into the hospital and asked to see him.
piece of piss by the sounds of it.
 

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You always upset with Cam Smith though and have been for years.

Every NRL captain approaches the referee and tries to influence them, you can't honestly say he knew he was paralysed at that time, but continued anyway


He knew he was seriously f**ked, as did everyone else on the field and watching that night. He may not have known he was paralysed, but it was quite clear something was very very seriously wrong.

You don't often see players stabilised for 10 minutes before being very carefully stretchered off by both teams medical staff, nor to you often hear a player uncontrollably moaning and slurring the panicked words "I can't breathe" and "I can't feel my arms". These are all things that Smith observed happening metres from him for a long period..... then still decided to approach the ref and make his ridiculous argument against any wrong doing by his team 30 seconds before the end of the half.

Yes I have had plenty of problems with Smith's actions prior to that night. That is because he has done plenty of disgraceful things over the course of his career from inventing all sorts of grubby tactics in tackles to negotiating and signing his own multiple contracts during the biggest salary cap scandal in history and right on through to getting away with bloody murder time after time at the judiciary.

Smith's actions disgusted me that night, but they were in no way surprising. There are only a handful of people in the league that I would have expected to react in the same disgraceful manner. Gallen definitely being one of them and then the other maybe Ennis. Even a grub like Hodges I reckon would have understood the gravity of the situation and kept his mouth shut. He may have argued the point immediately, but not after 8 minutes
 

nomis88

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I can't believe all these fools that are wanting to defend a scumbag like Smith. And poor Cam is getting depressed. Try being a quadriplegic Cam and then you'll have a reason to be depressed. I have as much respect for Cameron Smith as I do for Ivan Milat or Martin Bryant.
 

Canard

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He knew he was seriously f**ked, as did everyone else on the field and watching that night. He may not have known he was paralysed, but it was quite clear something was very very seriously wrong.

You don't often see players stabilised for 10 minutes before being very carefully stretchered off by both teams medical staff, nor to you often hear a player uncontrollably moaning and slurring the panicked words "I can't breathe" and "I can't feel my arms". These are all things that Smith observed happening metres from him for a long period..... then still decided to approach the ref and make his ridiculous argument against any wrong doing by his team 30 seconds before the end of the half.

Yes I have had plenty of problems with Smith's actions prior to that night. That is because he has done plenty of disgraceful things over the course of his career from inventing all sorts of grubby tactics in tackles to negotiating and signing his own multiple contracts during the biggest salary cap scandal in history and right on through to getting away with bloody murder time after time at the judiciary.

Smith's actions disgusted me that night, but they were in no way surprising. There are only a handful of people in the league that I would have expected to react in the same disgraceful manner. Gallen definitely being one of them and then the other maybe Ennis. Even a grub like Hodges I reckon would have understood the gravity of the situation and kept his mouth shut. He may have argued the point immediately, but not after 8 minutes

Bolded is the crux of the argument.

I don't agree that he did know, you believe he did.

No amount of slanging shit is going to change your mind nor mime
 

Canard

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I can't believe all these fools that are wanting to defend a scumbag like Smith. And poor Cam is getting depressed. Try being a quadriplegic Cam and then you'll have a reason to be depressed. I have as much respect for Cameron Smith as I do for Ivan Milat or Martin Bryant.

Did you just invent an angle for effect? Depressed who has said that?

Gal backing both Alex and Smith is good enough for me
 

typicalfan

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Did you just invent an angle for effect? Depressed who has said that?

Gal backing both Alex and Smith is good enough for me

Not to mention Brandy, Warren Smith, Gasnier, Matthew Johns who were backing both and thought the Smith angle was unfair especially since he was not contacted by Ch 9 to partake in the interview.
 
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