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Alex Mckinnon To Sue

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I'm among if he deliberately lifted him. No more, no less.

You seem to not want to answer it
I couldn't say, only he would know if it was a deliberate act or a spur of the moment accidental instinctive act. was it deliberate and how much of his lifting part contributed to the injury is for lawyers to argue.
 

betcats

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I couldn't say, only he would know if it was a deliberate act or a spur of the moment accidental instinctive act. was it deliberate and how much of his lifting part contributed to the injury is for lawyers to argue.

If you can't admit he deliberately picked him up then you are absolutely kidding yourself mate.

"Spur of the moment accidental instinctive act" like wtf are you talking about merkin, he grabbed the legs and lifted them off the ground.
 

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Haha, you do know that deliberate means he thought about it and decided that he was going to do it regardless of outcome? Not sure if you've ever played but when youre in the heat of battle and making a tackle pre meditated behaviour to do something you know is likely to get you a suspension is rarely the deliberate chosen option. More likely he was in there in the bs three men tackles we have in the modern game and he grabbed at him to stop his momentum and tackle him. Clumsy, yes, deliberate? only he can tell you.
 

carcharias

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Looked deliberate
Probably was.

Instead of putting him on the ground
He lifted up so his feet were facing the sky.

When I played and tackled a bloke like that it was a good tackle.
I meant it every single time.

He knew what he was doing.
 

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The players' union has defended Alex McKinnon's right to sue over the tackle which left him paralysed and called on the NRL to provide greater cover for players who suffer catastrophic injuries.

McKinnon is preparing to launch legal proceedings against the NRL and Melbourne forward Jordan McLean over the 2014 tackle which left him wheelchair bound.

An NRL spokesman said while no claim had been received, McKinnon's lawyers had notified them of their intentions.


The 24-year-old former Newcastle second-rower's career ended after a three-man tackle involving McLean, who was suspended for seven weeks, and Jesse and Kenny Bromwich.

Rugby League Players Association chief executive Ian Prendergast said McKinnon's injury had been life-altering and people should consider his position before judging him.


"We all need to respect the situation Alex is in, no one can understand what he's going through," he said.

"He's got independent legal representation, he's entitled to pursue his legal rights and it's important to let that play out without pre-judging the outcome."

Prendergast said the players' union had also reached out to McLean and offered him their support.

Following his retirement, McKinnon received the maximum $500,000 compensation payout from the NRL and around $1.2 million through fundraising efforts including the Rise for Alex round.

He was also paid out the final two years of his contract, estimated to be around $500,000, from the Knights.

He was also guaranteed a job for life by the NRL and works with the club in recruitment and development.

However he estimated it will cost him $20 million to lead a normal existence for the rest of his life and has spoken about his fears of being unable to support himself.


"I had no idea how much this injury was going to cost," he told the Nine Network in July last year.

"I didn't know until two weeks ago it cost $100,000 for me to get out of bed in the morning.

"I just need to know how much it is going to cost me, how much money I have and where I (am) going to get that money from."

In July last year, the NRL launched its whole of game foundation which offers additional support, outside insurance schemes, to players who suffer catastrophic injuries such as spinal problems or brain damage.

The RLPA also put a separate insurance scheme in place for players whose career is cut short by injuries with the costs shared between the NRL, clubs and players.

Prendergast said more needed to be done to protect players given the often physical and brutal nature of the game and hoped to have that included in the collective bargaining agreement which is currently being negotiated and set to come into force in 2018.

"Some of the things that have improved since Alex's injury include compensation but more needs to be done in that space," Prendergast said.

"If you think about rugby league, it was born out of players seeking to protect their rights to injuries that were suffering. From the player's association perspective, there's still work that needs to be done."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/12/19/07/03/mckinnon-to-sue-nrl-over-tackle-report/?ocid=wwosfb

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betcats

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Haha, you do know that deliberate means he thought about it and decided that he was going to do it regardless of outcome? Not sure if you've ever played but when youre in the heat of battle and making a tackle pre meditated behaviour to do something you know is likely to get you a suspension is rarely the deliberate chosen option. More likely he was in there in the bs three men tackles we have in the modern game and he grabbed at him to stop his momentum and tackle him. Clumsy, yes, deliberate? only he can tell you.

Horse shit, as far as RL tackles go he had more time to think about that one than most. Even your definition of 'deliberate' is dodgy. Melbourne had been tackling that way all season, 2 players stop and hold up the ball carrier while a third grabs his ankles and they pick him up and put him down horizontally and all three pile on. I have no doubt anyone who wanted to watch replays of storm games from that year will see McLean and others picking players up in a similar way. It's a good tactic for slowing down play the balls, the type of thing Melbourne are famous for, unfortunately it is also risky and went very wrong.

I have no idea about Mckinnons chances legally but you cannot tell me that he wasn't picked up deliberately.
 

carcharias

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Horse shit, as far as RL tackles go he had more time to think about that one than most. Even your definition of 'deliberate' is dodgy. Melbourne had been tackling that way all season, 2 players stop and hold up the ball carrier while a third grabs his ankles and they pick him up and put him down horizontally and all three pile on. I have no doubt anyone who wanted to watch replays of storm games from that year will see McLean and others picking players up in a similar way. It's a good tactic for slowing down play the balls, the type of thing Melbourne are famous for, unfortunately it is also risky and went very wrong.

I have no idea about Mckinnons chances legally but you cannot tell me that he wasn't picked up deliberately.

Watch the grand final
It's McLean that lifts Feki and drops him on his head.
Somehow another player was penalised for it
But it was definitely McLean again.
Feki left the field because of the tackle and didn't return
A leg injury from McLeans hand between his legs provably.

Then the sharks went on to win the game 14-12 and become everybody's all time favourite premiers.
 

Wests is Best

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Damn right he should sue the NRL. After that I would go for the club too - Not Jordan Maclean.

Think about this.The NRL has brought in automatic sin bin laws that prevent players throwing a punch in case somebody is injured from the punch. The response... players have almost completely ceased from throwing punches.

There is also a penalty for players bringing another player into a dangerous position. Usually its put on report, and if bad enough the player receives anything from 1-7 weeks. Yet we see players being put into dangerous positions every single week in just about every single match.

Why are players so scared of the sin bin yet not scared of suspension? ITS THE PRESSURE FROM THE CLUBS. A suspended player can be filled the following week, but if you as a player leave the club a player short for 10 minutes at a crucial time, you will be crucified by the coach.

Read between the lines people.
 

gitano

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Shouldn't sue. Was given a payout and a job for life. It's a contact sport.
Mclean wasn't the only one in the tackle. In my complete honest opinion, McKinnon has acted like a twat throughout.
 

seanoff

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It doesn't matter whether McClean meant it or not.

It was at best negligent and caused severe injury.

I'm surprised the Storm aren't also a defendant in the case.
 

mxlegend99

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How are people comparing a punch to a bad tackle?

A punch is something a player chooses to do... whether it's through anger, reaction or whatever. You can sin bin it effectively because a player chooses to throw punches.

Some players make upwards of 50 tackles a game. Often with 2 or 3 others involved in the tackle... they are usually high speed collisions and there are do many ways a tackle can end up being illegal with zero intention from anyone.

If you start sin binning players for tackles that are remotely dangerous there will be no one left on the field.

Intentional or wreckless tackles are fair enough to punish with a sin bin or send off. But if you do it to every tackle with the potential to cause injury you would end up playing touch footy.
 

NrlVader

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Hadn't he already been offered long term support and a job for life?

Not saying that they could not necessarily go further, but it's not like they cut him loose.

He probably want to build a waterfront McMansion with disable facilities.
 

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