Alex Mckinnon To Sue

[mxlegend99]

Mate try sitting in a wheelchair in your early 20s knowing you will be stuck there for the rest of your life not being able to look after yourself at all, knowing you are there as a result of an illegal tackle and now try accepting that "things will go wrong" and just moving on. It would take a very special personality to sit there and not blame anyone because they knew the risks, imo 99 percent of us would be doing the exact same or worse despite the initial outpouring of emotions and aid for McKinnon it would be pretty f**king tough for him not to take this option if he has people close to him advising him he can get something out of it.

He had a few million raised from the NRL. Has a job for life and he wants more despite every player knowing there is a risk of injury or even death. Severe injuries very rarely happen. But the possibility will ALWAYS be there no matter what the NRL do.

Parents will prevent kids from playing the game altogether because they know it's a contact sport and theres a very decent chance at injury.

Its a sad situation. But he was being paid more than an average person would earn to play the game he loved knowing it's a dangerous contact sport and things can go wrong.

If the sport had turned its back on him I could understand him suing. But they have done a lot to help him and guaranteed him a job for life. 99% of people with that injury don't get that help or those guarantees. Unless they lied about his job for life... which i can't see them doing so soon after promising it.

 

[Bazal]

Whats next?

NRL player pulls knife out socks and stabs another player. NRL sued because metal detecters and body searches aren't performed before each match''.

Haha well done, you've out geniused the king of geniuss, El Diablo.

 

[Bazal]

read my post again you f**king gumby

he said it was intentional

No, he said the act of tackling him was intentional you f**king lemon

 

[Danish]

Was it deliberate? Or was it in the speed and commotion of a tackle these things sometimes happen? As said since then we have seen at least one every round occur, given the suspensions and outcome for Alex do you really think players would continue to deliberately do it?

So you don't think McLean meant to put his hand between the legs and lift?

 

[Danish]

you could never prove it was intentional

it looked pretty innocuous compared to other tackles that have happened where there was no injury

Has Jordan ever claimed he didn't mean to tackle him?

 

[Valheru]

I too can't see how the NRL could be made culpable for this. They govern the game and the exact act that McKinnon was a victim of, a spear tackle, has been illegal since the inception of the game. I'm no legal expert but to me it is akin to suing the government because someone was speeding and ran you over i.e. blaming the governors of the law for someone breaking the law. If the act wasn't against the rules of the game then he may have a point.

McLean is probably an easier target. I don't think anyone can say it wasn't negligent at best so he probably has a fair chance there.

It doesn't sit at all well with me that he was happy to take millions of dollars of charity including rehabilitation costs and a life job and then turn around and sue everyone he can. Having a partner in the social work sector, I can tell you there are many people, including lower grade footballers who have suffered similar injuries and have not gotten anything from anyone and live very undignified lives in shared housing. I really do feel sorry for the bloke and I am sure I will have my detractors for what I have said but it feels like double dipping to me.

 

[carcharias]

People sue the government for damages all the time.
They get injured on roads where some dick breaks the rules and causes an accident.

Why is this different?
The NRL are meant to be in charge.

 

[Danish]

I too can't see how the NRL could be made culpable for this. They govern the game and the exact act that McKinnon was a victim of, a spear tackle, has been illegal since the inception of the game. I'm no legal expert but to me it is akin to suing the government because someone was speeding and ran you over i.e. blaming the governors of the law for someone breaking the law. If the act wasn't against the rules of the game then he may have a point.

McLean is probably an easier target. I don't think anyone can say it wasn't negligent at best so he probably has a fair chance there.

It doesn't sit at all well with me that he was happy to take millions of dollars of charity including rehabilitation costs and a life job and then turn around and sue everyone he can. Having a partner in the social work sector, I can tell you there are many people, including lower grade footballers who have suffered similar injuries and have not gotten anything from anyone and live very undignified lives in shared housing. I really do feel sorry for the bloke and I am sure I will have my detractors for what I have said but it feels like double dipping to me.

So what are you suggesting exactly? McKinnon should just be happy to be able to support himself for a decade or so then take his place with the rest of the poor bastards in shared housing?

The argument against the NRL would be that they did not take the risk of injury from lifting tackles seriously, to the point that lifting tackles regularly resulted in weak or even no punishment (how many blokes has Josh Reynolds dumped on their heads during origin time and been let off?).

Union has a mandatory red card rule for all lifting past the horizontal. League has a mandatory sin bin for punching. League has a mandatory penalty for shoulder charging and are extremely tough on such acts at the judiciary.

If the NRL were as serious about punishing lifting as they are about innocuous contact with referees perhaps his whole mess could have been avoided

 

[natheel]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...y/news-story/f43599fd89a512f9eeb345ad8e9a2791

Interesting that this hasn't been mentioned at all. Does he get the same scrutiny as McKinnon?

 

[Bazal]

So what are you suggesting exactly? McKinnon should just be happy to be able to support himself for a decade or so then take his place with the rest of the poor bastards in shared housing?

The argument against the NRL would be that they did not take the risk of injury from lifting tackles seriously, to the point that lifting tackles regularly resulted in weak or even no punishment (how many blokes has Josh Reynolds dumped on their heads during origin time and been let off?).

Union has a mandatory red card rule for all lifting past the horizontal. League has a mandatory sin bin for punching. League has a mandatory penalty for shoulder charging and are extremely tough on such acts at the judiciary.

If the NRL were as serious about punishing lifting as they are about innocuous contact with referees perhaps his whole mess could have been avoided

Didn't El Diablo tell you? Punishing players for illegal acts has no effect....

 

[El Diablo]

No, he said the act of tackling him was intentional you f**king lemon

FMD you're stupid

It was a deliberate illegal act

 

[MilkShark]

Jarrod McCracken awaits the outcome of this court case eagerly.

 

[Nice Beaver]

If this ever sees the inside of a courtroom I would be completely astounded.

Neither party actually wants it too.... the NRL for obvious reasons.

They will settle out of court with no fault admitted so that further cases are not open to a precedent of admitted guilt.

The lawyers for McKinnon know the NRL will not want this going to court.

So let the poor bugger get his money.

 

[Bazal]

FMD you're stupid

So he didn't deliberately lift the player, is that it?

Of course he didn't mean to hurt McKinnon. But he deliberately made a lifting tackle.

 

[El Diablo]

Has Jordan ever claimed he didn't mean to tackle him?

has he ever said it was an intentional spear tackle as you claimed?

 

[Danish]

FMD you're stupid

I'll ask you now since Perth Red ain't answering.

What part of Mcleans efforts to get an hand between McKinnon legs and make a 2nd effort to lift was done by accident?

 

[Valheru]

So what are you suggesting exactly? McKinnon should just be happy to be able to support himself for a decade or so then take his place with the rest of the poor bastards in shared housing?

The argument against the NRL would be that they did not take the risk of injury from lifting tackles seriously, to the point that lifting tackles regularly resulted in weak or even no punishment (how many blokes has Josh Reynolds dumped on their heads during origin time and been let off?).

Union has a mandatory red card rule for all lifting past the horizontal. League has a mandatory sin bin for punching. League has a mandatory penalty for shoulder charging and are extremely tough on such acts at the judiciary.

If the NRL were as serious about punishing lifting as they are about innocuous contact with referees perhaps his whole mess could have been avoided

He can support himself longer than a decade with a life job and by no means are people required to self fund disability services in this country but we don't need to get in to the ins and outs of the disability services in this thread.

As for the NRL not taking it seriously, I am not sure how you prove that and what metric would be identified by all parties involved as them taking it seriously?

Say they introduce a mandatory send off and 8 week suspension and the same thing happens. Do we think the victim doesn't sue? I doubt it. Perhaps they suggest a full season suspension as proof that they take it seriously yet it may happen again... where does it stop?

 

[moffla]

I don't know what financial gain he expects to get from a bloke who earns just over $200k a season. Certainly no where near enough to cover Alex for a sustained period of time if he's after millions

 

[natheel]

If this ever sees the inside of a courtroom I would be completely astounded.

Neither party actually wants it too.... the NRL for obvious reasons.

They will settle out of court with no fault admitted so that further cases are not open to a precedent of admitted guilt.

The lawyers for McKinnon know the NRL will not want this going to court.

So let the poor bugger get his money.

Most compensation cases end behind closed doors with a back and forth about the amount each party can agree on. This will be no different. If it went to court and the NRL allowed it to it would damage the games brand

 

[Danish]

He can support himself longer than a decade with a life job and by no means are people required to self fund disability services in this country but we don't need to get in to the ins and outs of the disability services in this thread.

As for the NRL not taking it seriously, I am not sure how you prove that and what metric would be identified by all parties involved as them taking it seriously?

Say they introduce a mandatory send off and 8 week suspension and the same thing happens. Do we think the victim doesn't sue? I doubt it. Perhaps they suggest a full season suspension as proof that they take it seriously yet it may happen again... where does it stop?

The victim can always sue. If you can show you've taken a serious effort to remove the act from the game as best you can, then they are wasting their money.

We've seen the NRL take very serious action to remove plenty of illegal acts that, while always illegal, were common place. We've seen no such efforts made on lifting tackles.

I honestly can't tell what evidence the NRL would give to show they took lifting tackles seriously prior to (or even after, honestly) McKinnon was hurt