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Andrew Fifita tells junior rugby league referee: ‘I’ll smash you’

magpie4ever

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so am I wrong but did not the caller to MMM this morning say that fifita was a trainer for emu plains where as every other report ive read says it was st patricks and this previous incident is also with him as a trainer for st pats

They are Patties old boys.
 

carcharias

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why didn't the ref answer the question in the beginning?

is there some rule that says he is not allowed?
 
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Thanks, mate. This is the bit I was after. The rest I knew.

So you have situation whereby 30 year old men say I play in the Penrith Junior Rugby League comp???

That's bizarre??

The formal name of it is the Penrith District Junior Rugby League. Most of them are set up as being ultimately answerable to their district rugby league club, which in this case would be the Penrith Panthers.
 

magpie4ever

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Thanks, mate. This is the bit I was after. The rest I knew.

So you have situation whereby 30 year old men say I play in the Penrith Junior Rugby League comp???

That's bizarre??

Why, all metro comps are run under auspices of the junior district rugby league clubs. It is not until the Sydney Shield, RMC and NSW Cup that the NSWRL take over.
 
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The following was just published by the Sydney Morning Herald -

Fifita brothers abuse scandal: Is incident linked to treatment of referees in NRL?

DateJuly 27, 2015 - 1:46PM
Brad Walter
Sports Reporter


"It is just ridiculous!"

That's Brad Fittler - not Geoff Toovey - talking about referees, and the attitude many in the NRL have towards them.

As debate swirls about what penalty the Fifita brothers, Andrew and David, should receive from the NRL for abusing the referee who recently officiated the Harold Matthews Cup grand final, Fittler questioned whether their behaviour was linked the way coaches, players, commentators and the media treat match officials in the NRL.

The examples are numerous: from Toovey's infamous "ridiculous" rant last season in which he called for an investigation into the refereeing of a Manly match, to Canterbury captain James Graham and team-mates rounding on Gerard Sutton during the Good Friday clash with South Sydney, to NSW hooker Michael Ennis telling Sutton "you're getting overwhelmed by the crowd" after Beau Scott was penalised for a late tackle on Cameron Smith in Origin III.

"To yell at young kids and to yell at referees is just ridiculous and the fact that players are playing first grade and they are having this sort of behaviour is disgraceful, and they should be treated harshly," Fittler told fellow panel members, including Andrew Johns, on The Sunday Footy Show.

"It is just ridiculous. If you were to rate the Fifitas' behaviour in first grade towards referees, how would you rate them. Five out of 10, Joey?
"Well, is it our fault? Are we allowing them to think this behaviour is OK? I watch them play the ball, I watch them get up and abuse refs and look for penalties and do all of that. Why haven't we stamped that out of their behaviour in the NRL?"

Those who know the 24-year-old referee Tim Hannon, who took charge of the grand final of the NSWRL's Under-16s Harold Matthews Cup competition between Cronulla and Parramatta in May, are confident he will overcome the heated confrontation with the Fifita twins after a Penrith juniors A-grade game last Saturday, but many promising match officials are lost to the game each year because of such behaviour.

"We are getting a hard time as it is and then all of a sudden we have got NRL footballers having a shot at local junior referees. That is not going to help," a leading referees' official said.

"Recruiting isn't the problem, it is retention of referees. Guys who are pretty good referees and have been doing it for a few years, all of sudden they get abused and they say, 'I'm not refereeing anymore. I am going to do something else'. It makes the squads of referees in local leagues and also in the NRL less than they should be."

Former leading referee and administrator Greg McCallum said players should not be allowed to have any involvement with junior teams, as David Fifita did by acting as an on-field trainer for St Patricks during Saturday's match, because of the confrontational attitude towards match officials in the NRL.

"First-grade players should not have a role in a junior league club where they are exposed like that. It is just madness and I am sure if the Cronulla club knew, they wouldn't support that either," McCallum said.

"There is this hackneyed phrase about every player is a role model, but there are some players out there who you wouldn't want to be role models. Nobody minds if a player turns up at a game, doesn't say a word and walks away. That is not being a great role model but by the same token it is not getting into trouble either.

"I just think that people have got to start taking responsibility for their actions. It is everyone else's fault but theirs. It is about their attitude and their attitude is wrong."

However, NSWRL Referees Association president Paul Simkins said NRL players and referees offering their support to junior football was usually a positive experience.

"We've all got a way we have got to be behave and you just hope that is observed," Simpkins said "No referee should cop that [abuse] from anyone, let alone a person involved in the game.

"The turnover of referees is one concern we have had for some time and we have been talking to the league about ways of improving that. They have been very supportive of what we are trying to accomplish, it is just that we need to change the culture of what people are doing on the ground."
 

Canard

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The formal name of it is the Penrith District Junior Rugby League. Most of them are set up as being ultimately answerable to their district rugby league club, which in this case would be the Penrith Panthers.

Right.

As an example in Cairns, there is a CDJRL and a CDRL.

The CDJRL looks after teams up to U/16's and the CDRL everything over that an A grade. And the administration (used to be anyway) different and there is different teams etc.

If a grown man said that he played in a JRL comp, people would mock them for playing with kids.
 

Danish

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Absolutely. Commented before the game the refs will scrutinise him closer & they did.

Not to say they weren't penalties, just that they weren't in rounds 1-19.

Gus is right, he has the worse "play the ball" in the league.


Oh without question his play the ball is the worst. Just the funny thing is for basically every game he has played prior to sunday he'd either be rewarded with quick play the balls or better still be awarded penalties for them.

So when he started getting pinged for them all throughout the game yesterday he must have been incredibly confused!
 

no name

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You only have to look at James Graham and Josh Reynold's behaviour yesterday to see that this is a major issue in the game.
Yes, refs are blind merkins who f**k up a lot, but players need to be penalised for carrying on like pork chops.
Refs need to go back to calling players by numbers and if anyone bar the captain talks to them, March them ten metres on first offence, 10 in the bin on second. Players will shut the f**k up then.
Also Gus needs to shut the f**k up, half of the time he whinges about refs he is wrong anyway.
 

thorson1987

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"First-grade players should not have a role in a junior league club where they are exposed like that. It is just madness and I am sure if the Cronulla club knew, they wouldn't support that either," McCallum said

What a load of crap.
 

thorson1987

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so am I wrong but did not the caller to MMM this morning say that fifita was a trainer for emu plains where as every other report ive read says it was st patricks and this previous incident is also with him as a trainer for st pats

You are wrong.

He said he was club captain of St Pats.
 

thorson1987

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Many Junior Rugby Leagues have A Grade competitions in NSW. The district junior rugby league controls league at all age groups within competitions it runs, usually from Under 7s through to A Grade (which is open age adult). In Country NSW, the equivalent of a district junior rugby league is called a "Group". Those competitions are only open to teams that play within their geographically defined borders.

The Country Rugby League, and the NSW Rigby League are the bodies that run the state wide comps in NSW below those run by the NRL (e.g. NSW Cup, Ron Massey Cup).

Only is that way in Sydney.

CRL groups are still split into seniors and juniors, i.e Group 6 Junior Rugby League and Group 6 Rugby League.
 

Cockadoodledoo

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Funny that the captain of the "A" Grade side has put his balls on the line saying it is blown out of proportion and the Ref in flamed the situation with his attitude, let alone putting his player and D Fafita in danger by resuming play when proceeded directly at both of them.

Seems to me dickheads on all sides of this

It is all in degree's. I mean if David Fifita asked the referee if he could ask him a question then I cannot see why he would respond like that. Any reasonable person would have responded with a yes. That doesn't excuse any poor behaviour beyond that but how hard is it to just allow a question to be asked? Maybe lose some attitude and there can be win win for all.
 
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Right.

As an example in Cairns, there is a CDJRL and a CDRL.

The CDJRL looks after teams up to U/16's and the CDRL everything over that an A grade. And the administration (used to be anyway) different and there is different teams etc.

If a grown man said that he played in a JRL comp, people would mock them for playing with kids.

Its more of a Sydney thing where A Grade is still part of the JRL for the various areas. Newcastle has a JRL and a Senior Rugby League as would most if not all country areas
 
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Both will be stood down until investigation complete.

Get the facts straight not just take the ref's word.

Other at the game will be given an opportunity to tell their view of it, unlike the kangaroo court most here are looking for
 

_snafu_

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You only have to look at James Graham and Josh Reynold's behaviour yesterday to see that this is a major issue in the game.
Yes, refs are blind merkins who f**k up a lot, but players need to be penalised for carrying on like pork chops.
Refs need to go back to calling players by numbers and if anyone bar the captain talks to them, March them ten metres on first offence, 10 in the bin on second. Players will shut the f**k up then.
Also Gus needs to shut the f**k up, half of the time he whinges about refs he is wrong anyway.

Agreed.
 

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