Andrew Johns Sacked from Knights

[perverse]

i find it hard to believe this is the going rate (paid by three clubs) for a part time rugby league coach

to be honest, it doesn't have to be the going rate. he's Andrew Johns. one of a kind. his going rate is whatever people are willing to pay him.

 

[B-dos]

thats right perverse

and i find it hard to believe other clubs (currently 3 nrl clubs) are paying that kind of money for such little actual coaching

 

[perverse]

thats right perverse

and i find it hard to believe other clubs (currently 3 nrl clubs) are paying that kind of money for such little actual coaching

are you saying that Pika is lying and that Joey has been doing more with the team? or that the figures that Fordham is reporting are fictitious?

or are you working yourself up without actually really knowing any of the facts? do you know that joey offered more time with his increased demands... or does it just suit your tantrum? it's pretty clear, given the misinfortmation that has already floated around on the subject, that games are being played somewhere, by someone. or maybe that's just me and we should swallow what is in the paper...

 

[Pika]

I should clariy that I have no idea what he was offering this year for the 30k.

30k a year for one weekly session, which is what he was on at Parra is still good coin.

About 750 or so an hour.

 

[Pika]

I doubt b-dos is calling me a liar mate.

I think he is just pointing out that I dont really know what was on offer this year, which is true.

That figure is correct for the Eels last year though.

He commands big bucks.

He was the best afterall.

 

[B-dos]

are you saying that Pika is lying and that Joey has been doing more with the team? or that the figures that Fordham is reporting are fictitious?

pika has simply mentioned that he worked monthly with us when he worked with paramatta

i dont dispute what he says at all

however this is not to say the deal we tried to negotiate and the deal johns has with the other clubs is 30k for 2hrs per month

or are you working yourself up without actually really knowing any of the facts? it's pretty clear, given the misinfortmation that has already floated around on the subject, that games are being played somewhere, by someone. or maybe that's just me and we should swallow what is in the paper...

im not getting worked up perverse. im not the one accusing others of calling other liars either.

i have simply maintained my position that this is yet further evidence of our precarious financial position and its harldy something worth cheering about

 

[B-dos]

I doubt b-dos is calling me a liar mate.

I think he is just pointing out that I dont really know what was on offer this year, which is true.

That figure is correct for the Eels last year though.

He commands big bucks.

He was the best afterall.

cheers pika

 

[perverse]

pika has simply mentioned that he worked monthly with us when he worked with paramatta

i dont dispute what he says at all

however this is not to say the deal we tried to negotiate and the deal johns has with the other clubs is 30k for 2hrs per month



im not getting worked up perverse. im not the one accusing others of calling other liars either.

i have simply maintained my position that this is yet further evidence of our precarious financial position and its harldy something worth cheering about

this is evidence of nothing of the sort. there is absolutely no sign whatsoever that this decision has anything to do with the financial position of the club. the only indication of anything of that sort going on is Michael "Gumby Brains" Hagen implying that we can't afford him.

did you ever stop to think that maybe we just don't want to afford him? maybe Stone or Dunneman don't want him at that price? maybe we didn't want him at any price? do you think any of this is even worth considering or discussing... given that there is just as much tangible proof one way or another (that is - absolutely none). do you actually know anything at all... or do you just assume? wait, don't even answer that - i already know the answer.

if you think the sole reason the club isn't keeping Joey around is because he wants another $288 a week... well you're dead set delusional. it pales in comparison to even the cheapest on-field recruits. sure, that money might be nice to pocket - but i guarentee you that the club isn't perceiving value from the money it is putting into Joey... not that they can't afford it. those are 2 completely different financial decisions. your implication that the club can't afford $15k a year is absurd.

 

[B-dos]

this is evidence of nothing of the sort. there is absolutely no sign whatsoever that this decision has anything to do with the financial position of the club. the only indication of anything of that sort going on is Michael "Gumby Brains" Hagen implying that we can't afford him.

lol. im sorry perverse. were you not aware we are run on the smell of an oily rag?

did you ever stop to think that maybe we just don't want to afford him? maybe Stone or Dunneman don't want him at that price?\]

stone is quoted today saying he is disapopinted he isnt going to be with the club anymore and 'hopes' he will still be able to have some input

not the words of a guy who is stoked with the result

maybe we didn't want him at any price? do you think any of this is even worth considering or discussing... given that there is just as much tangible proof one way or another (that is - absolutely none). do you actually know anything at all... or do you just assume? wait, don't even answer that - i already know the answer.

its amusing that you were only a moment ago talking about people getting worked up

settle grettle

if you think the sole reason the club isn't keeping Joey around is because he wants another $288 a week... well you're dead set delusional. it pales in comparison to even the cheapest on-field recruits. sure, that money might be nice to pocket - but i guarentee you that the club isn't perceiving value from the money it is putting into Joey... not that they can't afford it. those are 2 completely different financial decisions. your implication that the club can't afford $15k a year is absurd.

our coach is on record saying he is disappointed, he hopes he will still help out (likely out of the goodness of his heart), and he also mentioned the valuable insights johns offers himself and the players

not what id expect to hear about a guy we happily let go

but i know its generally all silver linings around here so i apologise for upsetting the balance again

 

[perverse]

... and what boggles my mind more than anything... is that you don't even have to touch the financial side of this one to bash the club admin over it if you wish. you could point your finger at how poorly it has been handled in the media thus far... or you could point your finger at a possible increased difficulty we may have in attracting young kids to the club without him as an asset on our coaching staff (debatable, but a valid concern nonetheless) - yet you choose to bitch and piss and moan about us letting him go over a piddly $15k (if that is the actual figure at this stage) and best of all your seem to try and convince everyone that we can't afford it - period! lol! ridiculous!

 

[B-dos]

negotiations broke down after we refused to pay the higher fee perverse

all the ramifications you mention are indeed accurate.

thanks for adding those to the big white elephant in the room - our clubs baulking at 15k pa for someone our coach is 'disappointed' to lose

 

[perverse]

lol. im sorry perverse. were you not aware we are run on the smell of an oily rag?

a $20m+ per year turnover oily rag. yep, it would be real hard to find a miniscule $15k if we actually wanted to keep him, eh?

stone is quoted today saying he is disapopinted he isnt going to be with the club anymore and 'hopes' he will still be able to have some input

not the words of a guy who is stoked with the result

sure, he'd be much better to come out in the paper and outline how our clubs greatest legend has added very little to the club over the past 2 or so years. i'm sure that would go down well.

its amusing that you were only a moment ago talking about people getting worked up

settle grettle

you deserve scorn. you've well and truly earned it in this thread.

our coach is on record saying he is disappointed, he hopes he will still help out (likely out of the goodness of his heart), and he also mentioned the valuable insights johns offers himself and the players

not what id expect to hear about a guy we happily let go

but i know its generally all silver linings around here so i apologise for upsetting the balance again

read above... much better for Burro to bag our future immmortal eh? good look for the club?

who's talking silver linings? you're talking ghouls and goblins ffs. do you honestly believe that, in a pool of $20m a year, we couldn't set aside another $15k if we wanted to keep him?

 

[perverse]

negotiations broke down after we refused to pay the higher fee perverse

all the ramifications you mention are indeed accurate.

thanks for adding those to the big white elephant in the room - our clubs baulking at 15k pa for someone our coach is 'disappointed' to lose

no no... wait... i thought we couldn't afford it?

baulking at it for logical reasons vs not being able to afford him are 2 completely seperate things, B'dos. i suggest you decide which one you think is going on. can we not afford him, or do we not want him at his asking price?

 

[perverse]

thanks for adding those to the big white elephant in the room

no worries, someone needed to give you a map.

 

[B-dos]

no no... wait... i thought we couldn't afford it?

baulking at it for logical reasons vs not being able to afford him are 2 completely seperate things, B'dos. i suggest you decide which one you think is going on. can we not afford him, or do we not want him at his asking price?

lol sorry for the confusion perverse

we baulked at the asking price because 15k pa is a commitment our club is unable to make for a player our coach is disappointed to lose

thats because we have f*ck all money

i hope that clears it up

 

[Serc]

I can see a lot of assumptions in here based on nothing...so, perhaps we should post what we do know (and I either know these via what has been in the media or what I have heard):

1) Since Smithy came to the club in 2007, the club has (within reason) not skimped on spending on the football operations side of things.

2) While I don't know if these figures of $15k and $30k are spot on, I did hear/read from somewhere that Joey has offered his services to us for half price in the past (and good on him for that too) so we can confirm that. Actually maybe Pika posted it ages ago...not sure but anyway.

3) Lastly, we now know that Joey spent 2 hours a month with us for the (reported) $15k last year...and others clubs recieved weekly visits for $30k. So thats $750 per hour.

If I was running any of these businesses I would want to see some clear and obvious benefits from Joey's coaching. Sure, I would always be interested in having the greatest halfback of all time visit training for some input here and there (who wouldn't!)...but for the right price.

 

[B-dos]

a $20m+ per year turnover oily rag. yep, it would be real hard to find a miniscule $15k if we actually wanted to keep him, eh?

tell that to stone

oh and im sure youre aware that turnover alone does not a sound business make

sure, he'd be much better to come out in the paper and outline how our clubs greatest legend has added very little to the club over the past 2 or so years. i'm sure that would go down well.

lol. its funny how you guys always make up fancy stories to explain why simple things have happened...

never ceases to give me a chuckle

you deserve scorn. you've well and truly earned it in this thread.

gee youre really upset about this arent you. its not the end of the world mate.

who's talking silver linings? you're talking ghouls and goblins ffs. do you honestly believe that, in a pool of $20m a year, we couldn't set aside another $15k if we wanted to keep him?

ok i get it. our coach is disappointed and 'hopes' he will still help out. our CEO says we didnt want to see him go... but all along we secretly dont want him and his asking price was nothing to do with it... lol

 

[perverse]

lol sorry for the confusion perverse

we baulked at the asking price because 15k pa is a commitment our club is unable to make for a player our coach is disappointed to lose

thats because we have f*ck all money

i hope that clears it up

all it clears up is that you base your entire opinion on a couple of quotes from irreputable sources.

thanks.

 

[perverse]

the story in the papers doesn't add up, fiscally or otherwise. believe what you like i guess, but i do hope that more of our supporters aren't as blind. pretty obvious agendas being run in the media regarding our clubs financial position.

 

[B-dos]

all it clears up is that you base your entire opinion on a couple of quotes from irreputable sources.

thanks.

ohh those nasty journos at it again! lol

i guess its far easier just ignoring everything until it goes away..

weve all got an opinion perverse. yours is that its all lies and the club really dont want him even though we say we do.

thats fine. we disagree. theres no point getting upset about it.