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Andrew Johns Vs Allan Langer?

papabear

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Johns was far better then langer what a joke of a convo.

Stuart and Lewis are closer then langer and johns.
 

Vic Mackey

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the fact qlders are even debating this shows how truly geniused they are

johns had every trick in the bag and hit like a backrower. langer had a short running and kicking game. he was an average ball player and terrible defender.

the newcastle team johns played in wouldnt have made the 8 without him, he made guys like mark hughes an origin player. langer played in a team that had, what 14 origin players? then brisbane won the comp the year after he left.

qlders would argue til theyre blue in the face that shane flannery was a better origin 5/8 then brad fittler.
 

alamo egg

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the fact qlders are even debating this shows how truly geniused they are

johns had every trick in the bag and hit like a backrower. langer had a short running and kicking game. he was an average ball player and terrible defender.

the newcastle team johns played in wouldnt have made the 8 without him, he made guys like mark hughes an origin player. langer played in a team that had, what 14 origin players? then brisbane won the comp the year after he left.

qlders would argue til theyre blue in the face that shane flannery was a better origin 5/8 then brad fittler.

Have you ever watched a game of rugby league that Johns or Langer played? Johns, good player yes. Hit like a backrower, who? John Leech, heard of him, not many have, he was crap. Pound for Pound Langer was a much better defender then Johns.

Johns stood out in an average team, not to hard to do. Langer led a great team of super stars.

ps:- Flannery was an ok player, Fittler was a champion.
 

Rod

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I never understood this pound for pound rubbish. Who cares if he was small? Either you're a good defender or you aren't.

As already said, Johns defended like a second-rower. Alfie tried to trip people up.
 

ShaneO85

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Alfie>Wombat-Arse>Sticky (too young to remember Sterling in his prime, but from what I've been told he would be worthy of this discussion).

On a side note I think JT is still some way off from the Alfie, Joey, Sterlo level. For all his SoO accomplishments he still has one big gap in the resume. Being able to guide your club to a premiership is something he hasn't achieved.

It takes a special talent to make a code/sport change its rules because one player is so far ahead of the game that it becomes unfair.
Basketball had the MJ rules, The 5 second back to the basket cos of the round-mound Barkley, etc,etc.
Walter Lindrum's domination of snooker that they changed the rules.

Alfie brought about 2 rule changes. They changed the hip throw/trip rule AND the stripping rule because of his game. How many rules had to be changed for Joey?

The words great, greatest, etc get thrown around too easily. And Joey becoming an immortal was a bit of a joke (at least before a few other worthy names were added to the list first). As was the haste to have Locky given a statue at Lang Park. For some reason everytime a good-great player retires we want to put them on a pedestal and say they were the greatest player ever.
 

Misanthrope

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It's hilarious to me that this is even a discussion. Langer was a decent enough player, but in the same league as Johns? :lol: Love it.
 

veggiepatch1959

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Johns was a rugby league player who COULD play the game with an amazing skill set.

Langer was a rugby league player who wasn't much more than an opportunist...

Thurston has 1000 miles to catch up before he is anywhere near John's level.

Sterling was the most overrated half in history. Preferred giving hospital passes to getting tackled. I have a DVD of the times Sterling being tackled with the ball during his career.....it goes for 47 seconds.
 

ram raid

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the newcastle team johns played in wouldnt have made the 8 without him, he made guys like mark hughes an origin player. langer played in a team that had, what 14 origin players? then brisbane won the comp the year after he left.

This line of thinking might make some kind of sense if you forget about all of Alfie's rep career

How about how Langer came back from England to win the SOS for QLD at 35 years of age.
 

ram raid

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I missed that part, which history book said that???

Even in recent history, I would imagine Wally Lewis ranks higher...

"In 2008, less than a year into his retirement, Johns was named as the Greatest Player of the last 30 years by the publication 'Rugby League Week', beating the likes of Queensland legend Wally Lewis (voted #2), fellow NSW star Brad Fittler (voted #3) and then current Queensland and Australian captain Darren Lockyer (voted #4). The judges for the poll included league historian David Middleton, former NSW and Test player Mark Geyer and veteran sports journalist Tony Adams. On 28 September 2012, Johns was named as the eighth 'Immortal' of rugby league."

You might go back to pre-modern rugby league for other greats but then I think it really is impossible to compare.
 

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