Anthony Griffin

[Kilkenny]

Aside from all the other issues, it was apparent Anthony Griffin was not the person to take us to the next level and the correct decision has been made in the end regardless of the timing.

 

[Whino]

Aside from all the other issues, it was apparent Anthony Griffin was not the person to take us to the next level and the correct decision has been made in the end regardless of the timing.

As long the correct decision is made on our next coach. I don't want someone signed just to keep a certain someone here.

 

[franklin2323]

As long the correct decision is made on our next coach. I don't want someone signed just to keep a certain someone here.

Nor do I want a gus puppet. Sign the best coach to fit our needs and leave them too it

 

[TheFrog]

Ultimately I think the decision is the correct one albeit in hindsight perhaps it should have been made earlier this season.

...or at the end of the season. But they couldn't, because they want to chase a replacement, and you can't keep secrets around Panthers.

the correct decision has been made in the end

If we are in 4th position or higher with 4 to play in 2019, I'll agree with you.

 

[Kilkenny]

...or at the end of the season. But they couldn't, because they want to chase a replacement, and you can't keep secrets around Panthers.

If we are in 4th position or higher with 4 to play in 2019, I'll agree with you.

The relationship between Gould & Griffin was toxic and irreparable. Gould obviously believed with Griffin at the helm we were zero chance of winning the premiership but by removing Griffin he believes we give ourselves some chance. Hard to disagree. I don't think finding a successor was the key driving factor.

 

[TheFrog]

The relationship between Gould & Griffin was toxic and irreparable.

Frosty was the word Fletcher used. Finding a successor was the reason given, but it might be bullshit. If it's just that Gus and Hook weren't getting on, the axe should have fallen at the end of the season.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Gee i've seen some very funny memes on the IC and Hook soap opera.

One I just saw on W/T forum was a bus being driven to Panthers and IC thrown in the doorway.

 

[BxTom]

Maybe. I’ve got no doubt moylans attitude got bad by the end of last year, I’m just not convinced there was much more in it than him and Hook not getting on.

I agree - based on the fact that there three players disciplined. Two of them took the discipline and moved on. Moylan didn't.

 

[OldPanther]

Gee i've seen some very funny memes on the IC and Hook soap opera.

One I just saw on W/T forum was a bus being driven to Panthers and IC thrown in the doorway.

Sounds funny. Can I get a li k?

 

[Pomoz]

Oh stop it. Extending him was a terrible idea many of us said it at the time. He is getting fired now for the same reasons I wanted him gone 12 months ago.

There was no media campaign, there was rumours swirling because players and staff were voicing their displeasure with Hook. For at least two seasons we’ve had these rumours about him. The same rumours he had at Brisbane. He didn’t just all of a sudden become stubborn and stuck in his ways.

YOU refused to believe the rumours now you want still act like it’s a media campaign, that’s ridiculous. It was just the media reporting what they were being told, what was obvious to anyone who looked at the situation OBJECTIVELY, without deciding any and all negative press was bullshit. You are the blinkered one here pomoz, you couldn’t see the truth when others could.

Not sure why you are focusing on me, other than I defended Griffin from some of the insults sent his way. You are very quick to make statements misrepresenting what I have said or more importantly, what I did not say. You seem to think I didn't believe the rumours and I'm not sure how you you would know that, since you didn't ask me.

Personally, I was of the view there is no smoke without fire but after we beat the Dragons with an outstanding performance and found ourselves top of the table after a horrific injury toll, I thought that maybe Griffin had the hearts and minds of the team after all. It would appear that wasn't the case.

Things are never as black and white as people like to think. He should have been sacked you say, in your usual "I know all the answers" manner. Instead the club extended his contract in a show of support. Rather than ranting, you should ask more questions. Why extend his contract? Why would a board full of intelligent, experienced people and advised by Gus, widely acknowledged as one of the finest minds in the game, decide to extend his contract? Well he was two for two and had shown a knack for bringing youngsters through that are ready to play on debut. Was the team playing exciting football? No, but they were winning and two for two is better than we have seen for most of our 41 year history. The decision is vindicated by this years results. 3 for 3. Only equaled by Gus in 41 years. Many more juniors blooded and all done with the youngest roster in the NRL.

If the Board hadn't extended his contract it would only have added to the whispers and undermined him completely. A statement like "we wanted see how he does this year" is tantamount to a vote of no confidence. Players can smell blood and the rumours would have escalated, as would the dissent. In fact, I think we would have struggled to make the eight this year. As I have said before, this scenario has been repeated many times in many other sports. The board threw everything in and decided to back him. In my view, they should have backed him or finished him up early, there are no half measures. They made the right choice. They gave him an extension, they gave him additional coaching resources. He had everything he needed to take the next step.

Nothing that has happened since changes that decision. His record is now 3 for 3 and he has had us as high as first with a horrific injury toll and the youngest roster in the NRL. He doesn't deserve the vitriol and hate spewed at him from you and others just because you don't like how the team plays. Even media commentators were acknowledging that his results are better than most coaches who still have jobs and it seems harsh. However, they also acknowledged that he has probably squeezed all the juice out of the lemon and he had got them as far as he can. The team is not playing good football, even if it is winning.

We know know with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight that Griffin couldn't make the next step in spite of the support and resources, so near, 3 for 3, yet so far.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Sounds funny. Can I get a li k?

http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=31789&start=432

 

[Kilkenny]

Frosty was the word Fletcher used. Finding a successor was the reason given, but it might be bullshit. If it's just that Gus and Hook weren't getting on, the axe should have fallen at the end of the season.

It probably would have been the easy option to let Hook see out his season but in all probability that would have meant limping out in week 1 of the semi finals.

Gould has rolled the dice in what he sees is our only chance of actually being a contender come September.

Claudio Ranieri managed Leicester City to win the English Premier League in 2015/2016 at the juicy odds of 500/1 only to be sacked half way through the next season while still involved in the Champions League.

Coaching is a tough gig, but being sacked is an occupation hazard and while I have some sympathy for Anthony Griffin he has contributed significantly to his own downfall.

 

[betcats]

Not sure why you are focusing on me, other than I defended Griffin from some of the insults sent his way. You are very quick to make statements misrepresenting what I have said or more importantly, what I did not say. You seem to think I didn't believe the rumours and I'm not sure how you you would know that, since you didn't ask me.

Personally, I was of the view there is no smoke without fire but after we beat the Dragons with an outstanding performance and found ourselves top of the table after a horrific injury toll, I thought that maybe Griffin had the hearts and minds of the team after all. It would appear that wasn't the case.

Things are never as black and white as people like to think. He should have been sacked you say, in your usual "I know all the answers" manner. Instead the club extended his contract in a show of support. Rather than ranting, you should ask more questions. Why extend his contract? Why would a board full of intelligent, experienced people and advised by Gus, widely acknowledged as one of the finest minds in the game, decide to extend his contract? Well he was two for two and had shown a knack for bringing youngsters through that are ready to play on debut. Was the team playing exciting football? No, but they were winning and two for two is better than we have seen for most of our 41 year history. The decision is vindicated by this years results. 3 for 3. Only equaled by Gus in 41 years. Many more juniors blooded and all done with the youngest roster in the NRL.

If the Board hadn't extended his contract it would only have added to the whispers and undermined him completely. A statement like "we wanted see how he does this year" is tantamount to a vote of no confidence. Players can smell blood and the rumours would have escalated, as would the dissent. In fact, I think we would have struggled to make the eight this year. As I have said before, this scenario has been repeated many times in many other sports. The board threw everything in and decided to back him. In my view, they should have backed him or finished him up early, there are no half measures. They made the right choice. They gave him an extension, they gave him additional coaching resources. He had everything he needed to take the next step.

Nothing that has happened since changes that decision. His record is now 3 for 3 and he has had us as high as first with a horrific injury toll and the youngest roster in the NRL. He doesn't deserve the vitriol and hate spewed at him from you and others just because you don't like how the team plays. Even media commentators were acknowledging that his results are better than most coaches who still have jobs and it seems harsh. However, they also acknowledged that he has probably squeezed all the juice out of the lemon and he had got them as far as he can. The team is not playing good football, even if it is winning.

We know know with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight that Griffin couldn't make the next step in spite of the support and resources, so near, 3 for 3, yet so far.

Its been confirmed the team was throwing his game plan out of the window, they've been doing it for years now.

All the information that is available tells us that we were winning inspite of Griffin, not because of him, his football was boring and NOT EFFECTIVE. Get that through your head, he WAS NOT COACHING WINNING FOOTBALL. On top of that he was obviously stubborn and arrogant because he refused help from his staff and guys like Gould and Brandy.

 

[Pomoz]

@Pomoz its not a media campaign when all they are reporting are facts

I get your point, but they were opinions from unknown sources. If it is fact, why not put somebody's name to it? Similar rumours were circulated about Bennett losing the dressing room last year. Yet here he is still in charge.

Make no mistake, there are certain parts of the media who want to give it to the Panther's if they can. We beat the Raiders, the headlines focus on the forward pass for the try, not the brilliant finish. Griffin has a better winning percentage than Ricky, yet the press is about him, not a coach whose team doesn't make the semi finals again.

If you went to every team in the NRL, you could find players not happy with the coach. There was one this week who stormed off after not getting selected enough.

Publishing rumours constantly didn't help Griffin or, the team it just caused unrest. I'm not saying the end result would be different, because Griffins limitations were there for all to see, but the media have stoked the fire relentlessly this year.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Ricky is a protected species Pomoz. He has too many mates in the media that won't dig the boot in.
They play their favourites which is inconsistent and wrong.

 

[Pomoz]

Everyone seems to have the goss now but from what i was told he gave control to others at the beginning of the year (as per contract agreement) but it got to the point that he essentially had no control over the squad picked each week. His final act of defiance was picking Peach at 1.

I honestly feel for the bloke. Majority doubted his appointment & were looking for blood since day dot. Despite what others say he's done a great job of blooding the right players at the right time & our club will be better for the long term because of it.

I hope Hook gets a job at Cronulla & sacks Matty Moylan again.

I hope thats not true about Peachey. We all thought DWZ still had a dodgy hamstring. If that is the case, then that is Hook putting ego before the team and doesn't reflect well on him. He was lucky Peachey has pulled it off and ended up giving us a better balanced team for the time being.

 

[mxlegend99]

I get your point, but they were opinions from unknown sources. If it is fact, why not put somebody's name to it? Similar rumours were circulated about Bennett losing the dressing room last year. Yet here he is still in charge.

Make no mistake, there are certain parts of the media who want to give it to the Panther's if they can. We beat the Raiders, the headlines focus on the forward pass for the try, not the brilliant finish. Griffin has a better winning percentage than Ricky, yet the press is about him, not a coach whose team doesn't make the semi finals again.

If you went to every team in the NRL, you could find players not happy with the coach. There was one this week who stormed off after not getting selected enough.

Publishing rumours constantly didn't help Griffin or, the team it just caused unrest. I'm not saying the end result would be different, because Griffins limitations were there for all to see, but the media have stoked the fire relentlessly this year.

Lol.

The media aren't out to get us. The media focused on poor decisions when Sharks beat Raiders too.

Referee f**kups get more clicks and sell more papers. Anything vontroversisl does. It wasn't a small forward pass either. It was blatantly forward... far worse than the one Roosters beat us with last year.

But thry still mention the fact we won and had another comeback. You need to take the tinfoil cap off. The story they ran with all year ultimately ended up being true. Gives thrm more credibility then we have constantly lying about the situation. Although the reason we lied is clear. It still ended up being our club lied and the media got it right.

 

[OldPanther]

http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=31789&start=432

That was pretty funny.

 

[Pomoz]

Funny I saw where this was put to him and he replied they followed it harder once behind. But we know Gus says whatever he needs to say.

With the benefit of hindsight and Daz's inside info (Gus doesn't like Hook), I think he was being sarcastic. At the time I took him at his word, but subsequent events make it look like a sarcastic dig at Hook's lack of game plans.

 

[Pomoz]

Its been confirmed the team was throwing his game plan out of the window, they've been doing it for years now.

All the information that is available tells us that we were winning inspite of Griffin, not because of him, his football was boring and NOT EFFECTIVE. Get that through your head, he WAS NOT COACHING WINNING FOOTBALL. On top of that he was obviously stubborn and arrogant because he refused help from his staff and guys like Gould and Brandy.

No need to shout, it doesn't make anything you say any more correct. 3 for 3 says he was coaching winning football and 3 for 3 says it was effective. Certainly more effective than most of the other coaches below him. The facts show his record quite clearly. You may not like the style of footy he played, I didn't, but I did like seeing my team win. He seemed to be able to do that. Stubborn and arrogant? Well it certainly looks the case.