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Anthony Griffin

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Hooked: Griffin's fate sealed inside Suncorp Stadium dressing-room
By Adam Pengilly
The clock is winding down and the Panthers have just been belted by a rampant Broncos when Anthony Griffin walks into the away dressing shed at Suncorp Stadium with ample time left in the game.

His team has been beaten, the result beyond doubt. But there's more than just a minute or two left. There's enough time for a side like his to score a couple of tries. Maybe three. Add a bit of respectability to the scoreboard.

Griffin doesn't bother to watch.

CCTV footage captured by the host broadcaster inside the room - and dug up by Fairfax Media - shows the Penrith coach ambling back into the rooms at a ground where he forged his NRL career with little clue how his side plays out the best part of the last six or seven minutes.

He might as well have kept walking into the next phase of his career after that night.

Griffin lost his job on Monday with more than two years to run on his contract, sacked with his team in a share of fourth and just four weeks away from a finals series in which they could beat anyone on their day.

But the biggest surprise to those inside the four walls at Penrith is it happened four weeks out from the finals and not four months.

In a rugby league rumour mill which just keeps churning out innuendo, only one has kept burning all year: that Griffin was on the nose at Penrith.

His boss, the Panthers executive general manager Phil Gould, has denied it, most emphatically on his usual appearance on Channel Nine's 100% Footy as recently as a month ago. The Panthers' deputy chairman Greg Alexander denied it as little as a couple of weeks ago.

They can't deny it any longer.

It'll be painted as a Gould decision, but the board had just as much as say in Griffin's fate as anyone else. They'll shoulder his hefty payout, tipped to be more than $1.5 million for the remaining two years of his contract, but can afford to.

Their biggest fear was another meek week one or week two finals exit doing the same thing as the last two years. They can't stand for that. And don't want it.

They've got a better team this year than the one that crashed out to Brisbane in week two last year. They feared they were going down the same route again and think the gamble this will be pitched as is not a gamble at all.

Gould drove a coaching tweak a couple of months ago, about the same time Griffin's captain Peter Wallace hung up the boots and moved into an assistant coaching role. Gould wanted new caretaker coach Cameron Ciraldo, another assistant, and Wallace to have an increased role.

Griffin, cut from the old school cloth, pushed back.

But Gould and the board are his superiors - and they have final say. It ends with Griffin, who has a career winning percentage the envy of many of his rivals, out of work.

Will Ciraldo get the job beyond this year's finals? Who knows.

Griffin fronted his last press conference, like he has done so many times this year, as a winner on Sunday. And a winner from a near improbable situation too, this time running down the Raiders despite a 14-point half-time deficit.

But not even winning these days means you can turn up to your job on Monday.

He spoke about the rest of the year. How he wasn't too concerned about the slow starts, which have become Penrith's trademark. How something was building at the foot of the mountains, maybe the start of a climb to the premiership summit.

By the next afternoon he was out of a job.

He was told the news when Gould summoned him and his manager Wayne Beavis to a meeting which was to bear the bad news. Griffin is said to have not taken it well. Why would he?

Decisions like the one to play Tyrone Peachey at fullback for the past two weeks after the Brisbane debacle have baffled some. He's brilliant and belligerent at his best, but has a blunder in him too. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak was a revelation at No.1 during Dylan Edwards' absence, but came back from injury on the wing. It was another nail.

Of Griffin's staff, referees consultant Luke Phillips has left for the Dragons mid-season. Rehab guru Adrian Jimenez found a new home at the Eels. Penrith's top brass feared an exodus of players was about to happen too.

Nathan Cleary's contract hangs like a noose hovering over the necks of the top brass, so demanding is the fan base to keep the newly-minted NSW No.7 at the club. This might help, it might not.

But still this is a coach who was about to take a club to the finals for the third straight year in three years with the club.

It's just that Penrith's powerbrokers knew they didn't want to watch how it ends.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ho...rp-stadium-dressing-room-20180806-p4zvsi.html
 
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So who does have a good record against the top teams? The top teams themselves, which we're not one of just yet. The verdict of the one on high is that we were being held back from being a "top team" by the coach. I suggest other factors are involved, like injuries and player experience. I was pretty satisfied to be in the 5-8 bracket and rising, but patience is a very old fashioned quality.

There’s not just good & bad, but many things in between. His record against top teams wasn’t even close to average.

I admire your patience, but 7 years coaching at the top level is enough to draw a conclusion on his inadequacies.
 

chrisD

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We don't really have a better team this year than last year, it just feels like it in hindsight because Moylan stopped playing.

Their biggest fear was another meek week one or week two finals exit doing the same thing as the last two years. They can't stand for that. And don't want it.

This line makes me so happy. Besides the one or two glimmers of hope where we became defensive beasts for a game, this is how I've felt about the whole season.
 
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franklin2323

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That is ridiculous. Moylan didn't get along with Hook, it is simple as that.

I know for a fact Moylan is celebrating the news this morning too.

You yourself said Gus had doubts 18 months ago. So why take his side over Moylan then? The whole thing is strange
 

Kilkenny

Coach
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I suspect Anthony Griffin will be bound by a confidentiality agreement which is a shame because it would be interesting just to hear his side of events.

I am not a huge fan of the coach has lost the dressing room syndrome.

While there is no doubt Anthony Griffin did lose the dressing room and obviously had other flaws I still think the playing group as a whole has to accept personal responsibility in there own performances.

Ultimately I think the decision is the correct one albeit in hindsight perhaps it should have been made earlier this season.
 

Fangs

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Don't think we will hear much from Griffin, not his character.

He will be rightfully pissed that he was sacked. I'll be surprised if he speaks out.
 

Panther_Daz

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You yourself said Gus had doubts 18 months ago. So why take his side over Moylan then? The whole thing is strange


It was nothing to do with Cleary and Moylan as you pointed out.

Gus believed he could manage the situation with Hook but it got progressively worse.
 

martielang

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Martie has to say something, he spent years rubbishing any suggesting Hook had people offside, now he looks like an idiot.

I don't feel for hook at all, he was given every chance here to succeed. They backed him over Moylan and even gave him an extension he hadn't earned to show faith and he still remained a stubborn asshole.

Oh betcats, writing your own narrative again? No way. Not sure i ever said he wasn't offside with people, i just said Moylan being punted wasn't just because he fell out with the coach. Which is true.

I also stand by the fact I think he was doing an admirable job, obviously the powers above disagreed with me & agreed with you. Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut. Enjoy that nut mate, it's been a long wait between meals.

Nothing wrong to have empathy for a bloke that's just lost his job either.
 

franklin2323

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Oh betcats, writing your own narrative again? No way. Not sure i ever said he wasn't offside with people, i just said Moylan being punted wasn't just because he fell out with the coach. Which is true.

I also stand by the fact I think he was doing an admirable job, obviously the powers above disagreed with me & agreed with you. Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut. Enjoy that nut mate, it's been a long wait between meals.

Nothing wrong to have empathy for a bloke that's just lost his job either.

He finished with a win % higher than Gus'. The powers that be wanted more and was always going to be a time they felt top 4 and higher was a must
 

betcats

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Oh betcats, writing your own narrative again? No way. Not sure i ever said he wasn't offside with people, i just said Moylan being punted wasn't just because he fell out with the coach. Which is true.

I also stand by the fact I think he was doing an admirable job, obviously the powers above disagreed with me & agreed with you. Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut. Enjoy that nut mate, it's been a long wait between meals.

Nothing wrong to have empathy for a bloke that's just lost his job either.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with you feeling for him. I said yesterday myself I don't like to celebrate someone losing their job. That being said he will get very well compensated and he was given plenty of chances by a club that backed him to the hilt.

Whose fault is it that he is stubborn and stuck in his ways? Whose fault is it he refused help and wasn't collaborative with the rest of the staff? We've had two of the coaching staff leave this season alone, if he wanted to keep his job he should've of been less of an asshole, period. I don't feel for him, I feel a lot more for Moylan who was and is still painted as a spoilt brat or much worse by yourself and others. Turns out Hook is the entitled asshole and was the problem, not Moylan.
 

Kilkenny

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Given all that is now becoming public knowledge it is difficult to understand what was going through Anthony Griffin's mind by not taking on board some of the advice, guidance and or directives given to him by Gould & others over the last 18 months or so.

It is also a little bizarre watching the footage of the team song after Sunday's win and seeing coach Anthony Griffin with a big grin and clapping along without an apparent care in the world, only to be without a job less than 24 hours later.
 

betcats

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Given all that is now becoming public knowledge it is difficult to understand what was going through Anthony Griffin's mind by not taking on board some of the advice, guidance and or directives given to him by Gould & others over the last 18 months or so.

It is also a little bizarre watching the footage of the team song after Sunday's win and seeing coach Anthony Griffin with a big grin and clapping along without an apparent care in the world, only to be without a job less than 24 hours later.

There are a lot of confusing parts to this Griffin saga.
 

flash

Juniors
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The Moylan debate is pointless, his injury recovery “issues” and attitude to training would have seen him on the outer anyway
 

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