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[BDR]

Also, my prediction about Diaz threatening to retire came true even if very few of my fight picks did :lol:

 

[shiznit]

God Diaz is a whiny bitch. Talked his way into a title shot he didn't deserve, copped an almighty beating and still couldn't act like a man when it was all done.

Both he and his brother are on my list of least favourite MMA fighters of all time.

i actually think Diaz has some sort of mental illness... he seems like he swings from being a decent guy who's very respectful to a thug wannabe gangster in the space of a few sentences

without being an expert in that area... its like he's suffering with some form of Schizophrenia.

i think Cesar Gracie and his crew need to look after him a little better than they do IMO... and the UFC doesn't help by letting guys like Ariel Helwani get him worked up.

hes a great fighter... IMO one of the best out there... he just needs to be managed better.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Can't wait to see someone with takedown defense smash the slippery canadian. "I'm going to send him to sleep" lol no you aren't, you're gonna lie on him and go to sleep yourself and everyone at home will join you.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

i actually think Diaz has some sort of mental illness... he seems like he swings from being a decent guy who's very respectful to a thug wannabe gangster in the space of a few sentences

without being an expert in that area... its like he's suffering with some form of Schizophrenia.

i think Cesar Gracie and his crew need to look after him a little better than they do IMO... and the UFC doesn't help by letting guys like Ariel Helwani get him worked up.

hes a great fighter... IMO one of the best out there... he just needs to be managed better.

Yes he is definitely a great fighter. He is an adult he should be able to take care of himself on his own(behaviours and his mouth, obviously not his taxes), he acts all tough and macho so by all rights he should be able to look after himself inside and outside the cage. IMO needs to drop "the world is against me" bubble he's living in.

He's definitely not done as a fighter he's only 29 and can definitely make another run for the title in another couple of years, wouldn't mind seeing him against Condit. If not would like to see Condit vs Ellenberger.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Welterweight division now stacked!! If Hendricks gets over GSP I think we could see it become like the light heavyweight division of a couple years back where everyone was so evenly matched and titles would change hands more often than not.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Can't wait to see someone with takedown defense smash the slippery canadian. "I'm going to send him to sleep" lol no you aren't, you're gonna lie on him and go to sleep yourself and everyone at home will join you.

Are you trolling or did you seriously fall asleep during that fight?

 

[WYD]

Also, my prediction about Diaz threatening to retire came true even if very few of my fight picks did :lol:

They can't lie on him for 5 rounds in boxing

 

[shiznit]

Yes he is definitely a great fighter. He is an adult he should be able to take care of himself on his own(behaviours and his mouth, obviously not his taxes), he acts all tough and macho so by all rights he should be able to look after himself inside and outside the cage. IMO needs to drop "the world is against me" bubble he's living in.

He's definitely not done as a fighter he's only 29 and can definitely make another run for the title in another couple of years, wouldn't mind seeing him against Condit. If not would like to see Condit vs Ellenberger.

yeah for sure.... he is an adult... so he needs to be accountable for his actions...

but my point is the people around Diaz... there's people making millions of dollars off the back of this kid.

IMO its all good and well for the likes of Cesar Gracie & Dana White to make money off a talented kid... but when some kids have obvious issues... you need to make things easier for them.

 

[Frailty]

Can't wait to see someone with takedown defense smash the slippery canadian. "I'm going to send him to sleep" lol no you aren't, you're gonna lie on him and go to sleep yourself and everyone at home will join you.

Hendricks won a split decision over a fading Koscheck..

Koscheck is a top level wrestler with a big KO power punch as well...

GSP dismantled and humiliated him.

As for your comment about falling asleep during the fight - almost half of it was on the feet, and secondly, if you knew anything about the ground game you would have loved the fight. Diaz has an awkward style of BJJ and he was consistently looking to roll for the leg lock, but GSP constantly moved side to side was well as trapping one of Diaz's legs under his shin.

GSP is not the finisher he once was, which may not get the average person 'excited', but his technical skills are truly amazing.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Hendricks won a split decision over a fading Koscheck..

Koscheck is a top level wrestler with a big KO power punch as well...

GSP dismantled and humiliated him.

As for your comment about falling asleep during the fight - almost half of it was on the feet, and secondly, if you knew anything about the ground game you would have loved the fight. Diaz has an awkward style of BJJ and he was consistently looking to roll for the leg lock, but GSP constantly moved side to side was well as trapping one of Diaz's legs under his shin.

GSP is not the finisher he once was, which may not get the average person 'excited', but his technical skills are truly amazing.

Said exactly what I was going to. GSP has L'n'P in the past, but the Diaz fight was not one of them. 13 mins of stand up in a 25 min fight. Even GSP said in the post fight interview that he didn't want to go to the ground too much with Nick. Nick's Jitz is so different to most, even during the fight some of his scrambles to get back his feet is something GSP wasn't used to dealing with.

Really enjoyed the fight, and after watching the Hendricks/Condit fight I don't think Hendricks will get close to GSP. If he swings as wildly at GSP as he did to Condit then he'll be spending plenty of time on his back. Dont think Hendricks has the technique on the feet to worry GSP at all.

Would love to see Ellenberger and Hendricks scrap instead. Dudes both have ugly ugly power.

 

[Collateral]

This fight really showed how overrated Diaz's "boxing" skills are.

He is a good slugger but a terrible boxer. GSP's jab was lighting him up constantly and he had no answer to it.

If I were Diaz, I would of come out and the first thing I would of done, even though there is a 99% chance is wouldnt work, would of been to go for a double leg before GSP did...just to make GSP have a "WTF" moment and to put doubt into his mind as to what Diaz's gameplan was going to be.

 

[Jack_Napier]

GSP's jab was just that much quicker than any of Nick's boxing as well. Such a fast and snappy jab, you can see how he took Kos apart with it. I thought nicks boxing was best when he was tying GSP up in the clinch workin the body.

 

[WYD]

You're selling Diaz short, GSP's stand up game is enhanced exponentially from the threat of his takedowns.

GSP is just a more complete fighter.

 

[shiznit]

Hendricks won a split decision over a fading Koscheck..

Koscheck is a top level wrestler with a big KO power punch as well...

GSP dismantled and humiliated him.

As for your comment about falling asleep during the fight - almost half of it was on the feet, and secondly, if you knew anything about the ground game you would have loved the fight. Diaz has an awkward style of BJJ and he was consistently looking to roll for the leg lock, but GSP constantly moved side to side was well as trapping one of Diaz's legs under his shin.

GSP is not the finisher he once was, which may not get the average person 'excited', but his technical skills are truly amazing.

i can somewhat see where your coming from with the comparison with Josh Koscheck...

because Hendricks certainly relies on the same tools as Koscheck does...

but i think you need to recognize that Hendricks is far better wrestler... and had much more power than Koscheck.

what makes this fight interesting is the fact that GSP has never fought anyone with the power that Hendricks has... with a top notch wrestling game to keep the fight where he's most dangerous

Hendricks doesn't even need to fully land a big left hand... and it could be over.

GSP was put away by Matt Serra... Johny Hendricks power is on another level to Matt Serra .

 

[shiznit]

im not saying GSP will get knocked out...

i see GSP winning by LnP.... because i think hendricks is too wild in the stand up and i can see GSP waiting for Hendricks to throw a wild punch and take him down while he's reaching.

 

[Frailty]

I wasn't saying that Hendricks is the same as Kos, just they have a similar style.

There is the difference in power, but the main difference between Hendricks and Kos is Johny's ability to cover distance at a quicker pace - but that leaves him much more open to GSP's quick double.

I don't think we have seen Johny tested on the ground and on his back (where wrestlers are historically quite weak).

It will be a good fight.

BTW, I disagree with you saying GSP LnP - he isn't Ben Askren FFS, GSP's ground game is active and impressive in his technicality.

 

[shiznit]

i haven't been impressed with his ground game.

he never works for a finish... i honestly don't even think he even works to advance his position.

he stays in a position where he can control his opponent safely.

and there is a real technical aspect to that also... the fact that he stays calm enough to control some very high level grapplers is amazing.

i guess that im of the belief that when your on the ground you should always be working for the finish or to at least advance your position.

i honestly don't think he does that... sure he does some damage with elbows and what not... but lets be honest... he hasn't looked like finishing anyone with his GnP for years.

 

[Frailty]

i haven't been impressed with his ground game.

he never works for a finish... i honestly don't even think he even works to advance his position.

he stays in a position where he can control his opponent safely.

and there is a real technical aspect to that also... the fact that he stays calm enough to control some very high level grapplers is amazing.

i guess that im of the belief that when your on the ground you should always be working for the finish or to at least advance your position.

i honestly don't think he does that... sure he does some damage with elbows and what not... but lets be honest... he hasn't looked like finishing anyone with his GnP for years.

His approach is always about control. Going for submissions opens yourself to very risky positions that an opponent can exploit and gain the dominant position. Unfortunately, this is encouraged by the way MMA is scored.

If you look up Gracie Breakdown GSP on youtube you will see their thoughts on his last two fights, and you see how technical his BJJ really is. He was able to easily pass the guard of Carlos Condit (which is no easy feat), and his control of Diaz and avoiding his constant attempts to set up sweeps and leg locks was beautiful.

It depends what you like in a fighter - I like skill, and GSP has that in abundance. He is not an exciting fighter, but he is one I love to watch for his technique and intelligence.

 

[shiznit]

see... i dont really count GSP as a BJJ grappler... sure he uses a lot of BJJ techniques... but for me its the philosophy of how he uses it.... he uses it to stifle his opponents... in a defensive way... and never to actually advance his position.

sure he passed Condit's guard... but most of the time thats because Condit let him as he was looking for a sweep.

Condit will lay traps everywhere to look for that sweep. thats what impressed me about GSP the most in that fight... he stayed calm enough to not fall in to that trap.

i see GSP as a wrestler who obviously works with a brilliant mentor in John Danaher who helps him with some BJJ techniques which he uses when needed.

but i mean seriously... the guy couldn't submit Dan Hardy... i don't even think we've seen what his guard is like.

im not saying he needs to come out and pull guard or anything...

i just dont think he uses enough of the other aspects of the ground game to consider him in the top echelon of grapplers.

to me GSP is to grappling what Hendricks is to striking... he's knocked out a whole heap of strikers who are probably far better and more technical than him... but i would hardly say that he's an elite striker.

he just has one part of his game(his left hand) which is really defined and as it a point where that weapon has an influence on the entire fight.

i wouldn't say his striking is at an elite level though...

this is only my opinion of course...

 

[BDR]

If you judge fights solely on who was closer to ending it, Diaz wins with his combinations in the 3rd. Shame he spent the other 23 minutes of the match getting hammered on his back.