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are we any better than last year?

Big Marn

Bench
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Our season is already on life support.
Look at our team though
The spine - RTS, Foran, Johnson, Luke - On paper, one of the best spines in the comp

The forwards boasting rep or former rep players Matulino, Lillyman, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson among others.

The backs - rep or former rep players Vatuvei, Kata, Fusitua, RTS.

Look whose development has either been killed or non existant - Lolohea, Vete, Hingano, Roache.

What are the positives we have taken out from this year? We can build a lead in a half (and subsequently lose it...), the emergence of CNK. Gavet becoming one of, if not the best performing forward on the roster. That's about it.

the most exasperating thing about the Warriors is that they have shown they can compete with the best teams. They were in it upto their eyeballs against Storm in Melbourne till the 70th minute then it was a great defensive effort against Roosters. How can having a 2 week break cause this team to fall off the rails so badly with their defensive efforts after being so strong? Is it really Mannering? They used to say Campion was the glue in Anderson's team that made that team so good. One guy makes a team go from being a brick wall to a shower curtain?
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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It's Mannering. Just like when SJ broke his leg and we gave up in 2015, he does leave a hole but it's the mental part that's the biggest thing.

Our 'leaders' are mostly in shit form and don't put in for 80.

Are we better than last year? I believe so, we didn't have that Storm or Roosters peformance in us. But we're still the 13th best side or so. So it's minimal.
 

Cloudsurfer

Juniors
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1,184
As much as the Cows are with JT. When JT's out, they can't win. Neither can we. Doesn't mean there's not good players around them but there's just no one in our side that can defend tirelessly, especially around the ruck, like Mannering (and Luck used to do too).

Well, you'll have a brick wall once Harris gets there. Between him and Mannering there won't be much chance to break through it. Sure they'll miss the odd one but it won't be because of theor positioning or effort. When Harris was recruited I felt really good for Mannering, the guy deserves some help
 

ozbash

Referee
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Why, on Friday night, was it that every set we had, Issac Luke wasn't at dummy half until the 3rd play the ball?
 

vvvrulz

Coach
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Why, on Friday night, was it that every set we had, Issac Luke wasn't at dummy half until the 3rd play the ball?

That's been happening all year, but even worse on Friday was the one man hitups with the entire line miles behind cruising around. It's one thing being unable to promote the second phase, they're not even thinking about the possibility of it.
 

legs 11

Juniors
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169
another part of the process seems to be using backs esp wingers for the first 2-3 plays at all times.... i know it used to work well when it was manu running from very deep....but its not working now.....oh i forgot the forwards are tired...[10 minutes into the game]
 

vvvrulz

Coach
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another part of the process seems to be using backs esp wingers for the first 2-3 plays at all times.... i know it used to work well when it was manu running from very deep....but its not working now.....oh i forgot the forwards are tired...[10 minutes into the game]

The entire team looks completely gassed after 60 minutes, bar RTS, Mannering, SJ, Gavet & Lillyman.
Doesn't take much for Brodene, Luke and Hoff to get on the jog.

Foran's attempt on Peachey during the Panthers debacle stands out, I mean I know he's coming off a big break but damn that was weak.
 

Blair

Coach
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...Foran's attempt on Peachey during the Panthers debacle stands out, I mean I know he's coming off a big break but damn that was weak.

Yeah, that struck me as like a guy from the local over-35's comp. I'd have preferred he didn't even bother. I was right effing there in that corner too, it's damaged me.

I hope I can come back from that experience at Penrith.
 

JJ

Immortal
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32,714
14th ATM LOL

But coming into our sweet spot in the season - prepare for a charge, and hope
 

Rich102

Moderator
Staff member
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This is the last weekend I’m letting the Warriors ruin.

After a catastrophic collapse at the hands of the Panthers last week, the Warriors showed the pride they had in their jerseys by serving up another gutless performance against the Dragons.

After the match the players offered the same empty explanations, as though the game were a stage play and they had done a great job performing their part as "17 Blokes Impersonating a Professional League Team”.


True champions don’t accept routine thrashings as simply par for the course. Players like Cam Smith and Paul Gallen look mortally wounded by every loss. After a loss most of the Warriors look like they are more concerned about checking their Tinder account than figuring out why they were humiliated.

The club has no standards. Players aren’t dropped after terrible performances, contracts aren’t ripped up. Mediocrity is accepted and expected.

Simon Mannering is the one Warrior who delivers a consistently full-hearted effort and in his absence the previous two weeks the team has completely disintegrated, despite sporting a bevy of rep stars and extremely experienced NRL players.

Coach Stephen Kearney is performing exactly in line with his career statistics – he’s a 26 per cent career-winning coach with a nice line in bland platitudes and very little idea of how to fashion a winning NRL side. He continues to spout a second-hand aphorism (“Trust the Process”) that originated with the long since fired general manager of the historical inept Philadelphia 76ers, without actually enunciating what this process might be or how quickly we can expect it to have an impact.

This might have been acceptable if the Warriors had actually identified a process other than "keep collecting pay cheques and hope the fans don’t riot". Kearney would do well to ask Sam Hinkie how "Trusting the Process" worked out for him.

It seems like Kearney was given the job because he was simply willing to confirm management’s misapprehensions about the quality of their operation. In reality, the Warriors desperately need someone who is going to tell them the truth - regardless of how brutal it might be. Kearney is just a yes man content to collect a pay cheque for a year or two before he is found out and the club moves on to the next incompetent.


Worse still, his attempts to fashion them into a third-rate Melbourne Storm has robbed the club of anything resembling its trademark style and flair - apparently outlawing offloads and ad lib football in favour of offering up a joyless style of play better suited to a team of automatons. Losing is one thing, but they aren’t even playing like the Warriors when they lose. When a team sporting Shaun Johnson, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and a host of young backline talent is this dull something is seriously wrong.

The players have a lot to answer for. Johnson is set to be a million-dollar player next season but he still looks clueless on fifth tackle. Issac Luke should be one of the team’s leaders but his effort and performance varies so wildly from week to week, it’s safe to assume he’s counting down the days until he’s shipped off to the Super League.

A host of former NYC stars have failed to turn into consistent first grade performers, instead settling into a comfortable mediocrity. It is becoming obvious the club is seen as a soft option by Kiwis in the NRL, a place where they can come home, collect an outsized contract and skip the scrutiny and expectations they would find at a real NRL club.

Too many players are simply happy to be playing first grade and collecting first grade pay cheques. Players make big claims about effort and desire, but it’s obvious to anyone watching that this just lip service. Until they leave it all on the field and back up all these platitudes with performance, it’s impossible to believe anything they say.

Management is derelict in its duties and has no idea of what it takes to build a consistent winner in the NRL. This off season they signed a single player to a squad that had missed the finals five years in a row, adamant they had the talent to content on a routine basis in the NRL despite extensive evidence to the contrary.

Boss Jim Doyle’s recruitment policy seems to be signing anyone whose number he still had in his phone from his time in charge of the NZRL. Management is so addled they didn’t even fire the coach responsible for poor performance – apparently failure is tolerated if you change its job description. A cynical person might suggest the only reason Andrew McFadden was kept around was so they didn’t have to pay him any money they still owed him.

Rugby league fans are generally working class folk and these are the people that fill Mt Smart week after week, regardless. Truck drivers and cleaners, labourers and tradies. People who work tough jobs for not a lot of money. Going to a rugby league game is one of their few luxuries in life. These are families who save for months just to be able to afford to take their kids to a game. They are Mums and Dads who work extra shifts just so they can buy their kid a Warriors jersey at Christmas. The players seem to have no concept of how much the club means to these people and their continued ineptitude and lack of effort is an insult to the sacrifices made by their fans.

These people deserve a winner, but they are continually served up half-hearted failure by a bunch of overpaid players who care more about looking good on Snapchat than doing the hard yards to craft a champion.

At the end of the day, the only people with the power to change the club are the fans. If we continue to watch the games, buy the multitude of alternate jerseys and click on stories about the team, nothing will change. We only have ourselves to blame because we’ve devoted ourselves to a club that is at best indifferent and at worst callous to the affection and faith we have placed in it.

We deserve better, but we won’t get it until we start demanding it.

The Warriors should be treated as an irrelevancy until they display the kind of commitment to consistent performance that the fans' devotion deserves. Until we take matters into our own hands and let the club know that their performance is unacceptable, we will continue be served up mediocrity and underachievement – if we aren’t prepared to do anything about it then it’s all we deserve.

In professional sports you can either sell success or hope. It’s been a long while since the Warriors have been able to sell anything resembling success and any pretensions of selling hope are rapidly evaporating – when the bills come due and they haven’t got the support of their hard-working fans to rely on, then maybe the club will realise they need to earn their fans' devotion rather than taking it for granted.

- Stuff Nation
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/92812958/open-letter-to-my-fellow-warriors-fans
 

ozbash

Referee
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Most honest thing I read all weekend..

It's more than just a player problem. The club doesn't know what to do as a whole entity..
 

Rich102

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Two plays define Warriors' pain


They were dismantled 30-14 by a Dragons team missing two of its biggest strike weapons, just a week after giving up the biggest lead in the club's history against the Panthers.

But two mindless plays in the opening minutes of the second half get to the very core of why the Warriors have been struggling in recent times.

In the 44th minute, trailing by eight points, the Warriors made a break through Bodene Thompson and had the Dragons cut to shreds inside the attacking 20-metre zone.

But the play broke down when Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was lazy getting to dummy-half and then threw the most awful of forward passes to Shaun Johnson who had charged down a blindside.

Tuivasa-Sheck was slow to get to the ruck and lazily passed when more urgency was required, while Johnson had charged down a shortside, the only place on the field the Dragons defence was actually set and numbered up.

It was a huge opportunity to get back into the game early in the second half and it had been bombed by a simple lack of urgency and attention to detail.

A few minutes later the Dragons were deep on attack when the ball was forced free into the Warriors' in-goal. Everyone stopped, but Dragons forward Tyson Frizell refused to give up on the play and ran past several Warriors players to dive on the ball, forcing the referee to go to the bunker to double check what had happened.

There were Warriors players who could have made sure of the play, but stood and watched Frizell run past them in the off chance it hadn't been a knock-on.

While the try was correctly disallowed by the bunker, it should never have even been a possibility.

No one from the Warriors reacted or had any desperation to finish the play, Frizell did. It might seem innocuous but it was everything. It's the willingness to compete on every play and not switch off.

That is the difference. It's attitude. And it is has seriously gone missing in the last few weeks from the New Zealand outfit.

Discipline and desperation go a long way in a competition as tight as the NRL Telstra premiership. The Warriors need to find it quick smart because…

Not so Baby Broncos

It's now or never for the Warriors after two dreadful performances back-to-back, but it won't be easy even with an Origin-affected Broncos outfit.

With halfback Ben Hunt set to return and the club hopeful Andrew McCullough will be cleared to play after suffering a sickening head knock, it will be a very strong Brisbane team that travels across the Tasman.

If Anthony Milford is not named as the utility for the Maroons for the Origin opener, then the Broncos will be hard to beat even without Darius Boyd, Josh McGuire, Sam Thaiday and Matt Gillett who are all expected to line up for Queensland.

The Warriors are currently 14th on the ladder, just one win outside of eighth place, but with a -61 points differential they need to improve quickly.

http://www.nrl.com/Monday-Halfback-Top-four-locked-in/tabid/10874/newsid/107052/default.aspx
 

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