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are we any better than last year?

legs 11

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Yup. You'd think after last weeks humiliation they would be keen to make amends. I rate this performance worse. The Dragons cruising for most of the match and low goalkicking is the only thing that kept it from hitting 50.

yep , way worse than last week
 
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Ill put a positive spin on it

We have lost to Storm twice (benchmark team)
We have lost to the Dragons twice (most improved team this season)

Both Dragons losses were horrible and we didnt aim up at all
Both Storm losses we were in it but jus faded in the last 10 minutes twice

Both are in the top 4 so thats 4 losses to them from our total of 7 losses this season
We lost to the Raiders who will go deep in the finals and our other losses were to Dogs and Panthers where both games were winnable especially the Panthers

We are heaps better than last season IMO we are just a little off
 

Penrose_11

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Ill put a positive spin on it

We have lost to Storm twice (benchmark team)
We have lost to the Dragons twice (most improved team this season)

Both Dragons losses were horrible and we didnt aim up at all
Both Storm losses we were in it but jus faded in the last 10 minutes twice

Both are in the top 4 so thats 4 losses to them from our total of 7 losses this season
We lost to the Raiders who will go deep in the finals and our other losses were to Dogs and Panthers where both games were winnable especially the Panthers

We are heaps better than last season IMO we are just a little off
Are you drunk??
 

Big Marn

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Ill put a positive spin on it

We have lost to Storm twice (benchmark team)
We have lost to the Dragons twice (most improved team this season)

Both Dragons losses were horrible and we didnt aim up at all
Both Storm losses we were in it but jus faded in the last 10 minutes twice

Both are in the top 4 so thats 4 losses to them from our total of 7 losses this season
We lost to the Raiders who will go deep in the finals and our other losses were to Dogs and Panthers where both games were winnable especially the Panthers

We are heaps better than last season IMO we are just a little off
and we are heading into SOO for our annual mid season revival... so theres that...
 

Cold Roses

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No
But im being optimistic.
We will be ok and its certainly not worth burning your jerseys over

I agree. We aren't actually that far off.

Get rid of Bodene. Get rid of Hoffman. Both ineffective but for different reasons. Hoffman because he just doesn't have the speed and impact in his old legs. Thompson because he's just plain shit.

Put someone at hooker who actually runs more than twice a game, and offers some direction from dummy half.

Get some go forward in the pack. See ya later Gubb and the aforementioned 2 second rowers.

According to most pundits, last year McGregor was one of the worst 2 coaches in the NRL and destined for the chop. His team couldn't score a point, but they were playing behind a forward pack with no go forward and a shit hooker.
Look at them tonight and this season. Things can turn around very quickly.
 
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I agree. We aren't actually that far off.

Get rid of Bodene. Get rid of Hoffman. Both ineffective but for different reasons. Hoffman because he just doesn't have the speed and impact in his old legs. Thompson because he's just plain shit.

Put someone at hooker who actually runs more than twice a game, and offers some direction from dummy half.

Get some go forward in the pack. See ya later Gubb and the aforementioned 2 second rowers.

According to most pundits, last year McGregor was one of the worst 2 coaches in the NRL and destined for the chop. His team couldn't score a point, but they were playing behind a forward pack with no go forward and a shit hooker.
Look at them tonight and this season. Things can turn around very quickly.

It can for Sydney based clubs as they have recuiting ability.

No one wants to come here.

If you lived in Sydney, had family etc there and you have an offer on the table from any of the Sydney based clubs, shit even the Tigers, and you had a offer from the Warriors, how much more would it have to be for you to go there?

I come from NZ (moved to Aussie in 04) and love the club, but it would have to be $150k over the Sydney based ones per season at least. Shit, $200k above a Storm or Broncos offer.
Why because I like winning and I know I have a limited time playing this game to win a premiership!
 

Cold Roses

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It can for Sydney based clubs as they have recuiting ability.

No one wants to come here.

If you lived in Sydney, had family etc there and you have an offer on the table from any of the Sydney based clubs, shit even the Tigers, and you had a offer from the Warriors, how much more would it have to be for you to go there?

I come from NZ (moved to Aussie in 04) and love the club, but it would have to be $150k over the Sydney based ones per season at least. Shit, $200k above a Storm or Broncos offer.
Why because I like winning and I know I have a limited time playing this game to win a premiership!

Couldn't agree more. We're on a hiding to nothing when it comes to established first graders. But there are also a ton of young guys running around in NSW cup and Queensland Cup who are well ahead of the likes of Lisone, Vete, Lolohea, Kata, Maumalo in their basic skills development. Not to mention any other number of under 20's 'stars' we have bought up expecting them to be the next big thing and have sunk into obscurity. The clubs recruitment over the last 4 years has gotten us into this position and we still have a hangover because of it. Give Kearney a chance to have a clean out and the change may yet come.
 
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57 missed tackles suggests to me that certain guys in certain cliques may be packing the sads about some of their mates not being offered new contracts, and thinking that player power might win the day again.

Agree, or they are use to Mannering doing all the work.
Its like the guy at work who picks up all the slack.
If you want something done, find the busiest person in the room!
 
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Couldn't agree more. We're on a hiding to nothing when it comes to established first graders. But there are also a ton of young guys running around in NSW cup and Queensland Cup who are well ahead of the likes of Lisone, Vete, Lolohea, Kata, Maumalo in their basic skills development. Not to mention any other number of under 20's 'stars' we have bought up expecting them to be the next big thing and have sunk into obscurity. The clubs recruitment over the last 4 years has gotten us into this position and we still have a hangover because of it. Give Kearney a chance to have a clean out and the change may yet come.

Who do we have scouting that shit?
Over in Australia.
Shit, Nathan Ross signed a $20k part time contract with the Knights to get a shot, quite a $100K plus job in the mines to chase his dream.
 

jaseg

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Who do we have scouting that shit?
Over in Australia.
Shit, Nathan Ross signed a $20k part time contract with the Knights to get a shot, quite a $100K plus job in the mines to chase his dream.

Then he re-signed as one of the most poorly paid players in that squad... when everything pointed at him being a very high quality player. Possibly an even better centre than winger too. Huge value on him.

Siosaia Vave and (particularly) Paul Vaughan similarly stood out last year, both were signed on unders... Vaughan at a rumoured $650k(ish) - big money, but definite unders for a freakish middle (and his numbers indicated that)... so much so the Dragons have already upgraded and extended him (despite having more than 2.5 years left on his contract). Paterika Vaivai spent the season at Burleigh putting on a show - after a very good debut few games at Newcastle the year before.

Quality is there if you can identify it. It certainly exists in reserve grade too. Alex Twal looks quality - Ivan has promptly snapped him up for the Tigers next year.

Jai Arrow (Broncos / Devils)
George Fai (Broncos / Magpies)
Nick Brown (Mackay Cutters)
Johnny Tuivasa-Sheck (Roosters / Wyong)
Ratu Tuisese (Panthers)
Alex Barr (Broncos / Seagulls)
Jahrome Hughes (Storm / Falcons)

There's a start. It's far from exhaustive - but any of those guys could make a difference to our team in the short term, let alone long term.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Ill put a positive spin on it

We have lost to Storm twice (benchmark team)
We have lost to the Dragons twice (most improved team this season)

Both Dragons losses were horrible and we didnt aim up at all
Both Storm losses we were in it but jus faded in the last 10 minutes twice

Both are in the top 4 so thats 4 losses to them from our total of 7 losses this season
We lost to the Raiders who will go deep in the finals and our other losses were to Dogs and Panthers where both games were winnable especially the Panthers

We are heaps better than last season IMO we are just a little off

The problem with this is that you can say the same thing every year.

Last year didn't we lose 3 games in golden point? The year before we lost to the Cowboys after wasting a lead, got done by the chooks on the bell and lost to the Dogs by a point etc

My point is that every year we're just a little bit off, and every year we're consistently a little bit off. Until results change it's all just the same old.
 

Rich102

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I think one of the major problems is SJ.
The club have based the team around him and basically he is not an organising half.
He is a great broken field runner but his organising, communication and kicking is poor.
He started the season running more direct, like Foran. But lately he has reverted to running sideways.
I praised him earlier in the season but worth M$1. Not even close.

On the subject of Foran. Is he having hammy problems?
A couple of times in the last couple of games he has looked very slow off the mark.

The club has made much of it's all Kiwi spine. Is it paying off?
 

Shaun Hewitt

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Our season is already on life support.
Look at our team though
The spine - RTS, Foran, Johnson, Luke - On paper, one of the best spines in the comp

The forwards boasting rep or former rep players Matulino, Lillyman, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson among others.

The backs - rep or former rep players Vatuvei, Kata, Fusitua, RTS.

Look whose development has either been killed or non existant - Lolohea, Vete, Hingano, Roache.

What are the positives we have taken out from this year? We can build a lead in a half (and subsequently lose it...), the emergence of CNK. Gavet becoming one of, if not the best performing forward on the roster. That's about it.
 
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Big Marn

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11858686


Here we go again. Another week of Warriors' lament, and a lack of hope on the horizon.
The biggest problem with the Auckland club is that no one really knows what the biggest problem is.
There are a tonne of theories around their inability to fulfil their potential, especially since 2011, but no obvious solution.
Last week's unprecedented reversal in Penrith put the Warriors in the spotlight again.
What's going wrong? Recruitment, development, culture, focus, travel, the local age grade competition, league's tiny school presence, refereeing indifference, lack accountability, a seemingly endless coaching carousel?
It's complicated. There are layers of issues that can't be fixed with a few slogans or a paintbrush.
But some things stand out.
There's no doubt the club lacks an imposing forward pack. While Australian commentators continue to pour out tired cliches about their "monsters", the Warriors' pack is one of the smallest in the NRL.

Over the past six years the club hasn't prioritised that area. League is won in the trenches - that hasn't changed over a century - but the Warriors have poured more resources and energy into other positions. The worst example was Sam Tomkins, especially as the club already had Kevin Locke and Glen Fisi'iahi, neither perfect solutions but both more than adequate fullbacks.

Signing Tomkins was like putting a new set of performance tyres on a car, when what was really needed was a replacement engine.

Significant funds have also been poured into Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Shaun Johnson and Kieran Foran. All worth while decisions, but the cost is that the club haven't invested in the pack. Many of the forwards that have been recruited, like Feleti Mateo, Jayson Bukuya and Todd Lowrie haven't worked out.

The club lacks an identity and clear playing style, caught between the natural flair of the New Zealand game and a highly structured Melbourne Storm-type approach.

But there's a lot more. The underperformance each season only increases the pressure the following year, making it harder to blood younger players, who invariably come into a squad under pressure.

Failure has become embedded in the psyche of the club, and it's hard to shake. Defeat doesn't seem to hurt as much any more. There remains a perception the Warriors have a soft underbelly and ex-players from Australian clubs admit their modus operandi on Mt Smart visits was to limit mistakes, hold the ball, and the Warriors would beat themselves.

That started to turn in 2010 and 2011, as the club developed a harder edge (remember the "Rorke's Drift" defensive effort in Penrith in 2010, or the 2011 preliminary final in Melbourne?) but hasn't been maintained.

Remember 2014, when the club lost three of their four games to tumble out of the top eight, including a dismal final round effort at Penrith when a close defeat would have been enough to progress? Or last year, when a meek home loss to the Tigers buried their playoff chances?

Last week was another example. Dramatic comebacks do happen in the NRL, but the majority of the Warriors' squad at Pepper Stadium had already been victims of unlikely defeats and shouldn't need to re-learn such painful lessons.

"I guess as a team we do have tendency to drift in and out of games," admitted Jacob Lillyman last week. "We had been a lot better in the month before that but on the weekend we didn't do that and allowed them to score some soft tries."

Only 10 of the 2017 Warriors' NRL squad have experienced finals football, and at least three (Foran, Ben Matulino and Ryan Hoffman) won't be around in 2018.

This season was supposed to be the best shot at success in years, but the Warriors' position on the table is already precarious.

All is not lost but they'll need at least 28 points to make the finals, a long way from their position now.

- NZ Herald
 

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