ARLC Commission Changes

[Surely]

So who’s Pete going for Queensland or Victoria?

 

[Diesel]

So who’s Pete going for Queensland or Victoria?

Barcelona FC

 

[taipan]

It also has much larger revenue so can spend more in every area, compared to revenue Smith was spending what the game could afford and putting some away, the same as Beattie is now saying is essential. You slated him for doing what the chairman is now saying they must do and you now agree is essential, hypocrite. The nrl significantly increased funding to state leagues out of the 2013 tv deal, and to clubs and put some away under smith which was spent by Greenberg on increased costs such as admin, video replay and integrity unit.

Re the consultants, Smith’s been gone since 2015, how come it’s taken till now if it was all such a waste of money?

That is (more revenue)stating the bleeding obvious, with the new Tv deal.The trouble is on a much smaller TV deal Smith & Co,decided spending on all these unproductive consultants was the go.
So any monies left over from the prior deal went to a Future Fund,instead of grassroots.The States monies is one aspect I'm fully au fait with what went on .It is not the bread and butter for the kids running around on the weekends.
And we wonder why participation rates are struggling in areas.
Didn't worry about him on his travel expenditure or entertainment costs either.
Have a word with people from the bush and regionals Beattie acknowledged the fact.

And for someone who supposedly knows finance ,you mention lower revenue under Smith,but costs compared to a few years later on things such as Insce ,Rental etc lower then.Lower revenue and lower costs.
It's also what you do with the money.If Smith had decide there was no need for these high paying consultants then money may well have been spent where it should have been.It clearly wasn't.

WTF I have stated all along there has to be expansion,I have stated all along there needs to be money for grassroots and not wasted ,so there is money down the line yes for Future Funds and assistance for new stadiums and growth.I have agreed if clubs get stuffed financially from now on, they either move or die.

You still can''t get it through your thick skull, the consultant proved to be useless Who employed them not me ?.Your mate.Yeah let's pay Richo say $600,000 pa ditto and some bird from Wagga and the result...........!!!! The game could apparently afford them according to Smith LOL.Yeah the old do as I say ,not as I do approach.
You obviously approved the millions spent on these consultants.The old splash the cash .Then they and Smith got payouts.

If you are incapable of understanding my threads ,when you troll, that's your problem.The trouble is your hatred for the NRL and continual sucking up to what the AFL does (and they have made some bloopers which you have ignored)blinds you to the realities on the East Coast.

 

[Perth Red]

You really do have a thing about these consultants that you dont know how much they were paid, who they were or what they produced or how long they were employed for don’t you? Rebranding, who,e of game review, constitutional reform, transition of ownership, bringing the affiliated states into nrl management, developing a national DO framework for first time ever, sorting out the financial mess of the game, putting together the strategic plan. All these things take people to do.

You slagged smith off for identifying the game needed to put money away not blow it all, now you praise Beattie for saying the same thing. Hypocrisy at its most obvious and clearly a hate of smith and are blinded to what he was trying to achieve for the game,. We get what we deserve getting rid of a Savy businessman who would have probably moved the game forward in leaps and bounds and replacing him with mr conservative I’m no visionary Greenberg. still at least he knows cam smith’s name right?

The irony of your last typical nonsense comment where you just can’t help taking about the afl, again, is I’m the one talking the game up in that period and your the one criticising it’s achievements lol

 

[taipan]

You really do have a thing about these consultants that you dont know how much they were paid, who they were or what they produced or how long they were employed for don’t you?

You slagged smith off for identifying the game needed to put money away not blow it all, now you praise Beattie for saying the same thing. Hypocrisy at its most obvious and clearly a hate of smith and are blinded to what he was trying to achieve for the game,. We get what we deserve getting rid of a Savy businessman who would have probably moved the game forward in leaps and bounds and replacing him with mr conservative I’m no visionary Greenberg.

I have a thing about wastage.You do not.
Blew it.He (Smith)sure blew it ,on useless expensive back ups.
You'd send a school canteen broke with your attitude.Spend ,spend. spend as long as it's thrust your way.

You are still dumb enough not to read what I stated.I slagged Smith off for waste,and ignoring the grassroots.I have always stated they get priority, else we don''t have a game.If there's a surplus all well and good.
Your the same ignorant hypocrite who bags the NRL due to falling participation rates.

But it's no use having a surplus ,if you ignore essential areas of the game.That was the Commercial Banker's approach .profits first ,second and third,customers just a means to an end.Would your AFL lovechild employ a Commercial Banker? Or perhaps someone with an intimate or strong knowledge of the game and its idiosyncrasies.Do they waste money on expensive consultants?Do they ignore the grassroots and at the same time have money in the Bank?Did they have a SL war which removed all the $25m Future Fund monies as did the ARL?

This coming from a guy who has expressed his hatred for the current administration including Greenberg and Grant and the NRL, because your team hasn't got a look in yet.Hypocrisy LOL.
You are in SFA position to bag me for criticising wastage, and the person behind it.

If $17m was saved getting rid of consultants and some staff, that was a commercial decision so money could be better spent or saved elsewhere.

We got rid of a savvy Banker,not a savvy Sport's administrator.
Quayle was a savvy sport's administrator.He knew the game, and played it.
You just reinforced the view your agenda driven, until you get your team in ,and couldn't care if any club here died ,in order to achieve that aim.Thus you'll bag anything and everything to do with the current mob(yes they have their faults).
Ar there better admins out there than Greenberg et al,sure are, but we deal with what we got and they are at least trying to stem wastage and unnecessary costs.

Yep I've seen visionaries :hello Ribes ,hello :S15, hello Lions /Suns/GWS,hello AFL in Wellington NZ,hellko Clive Palmer,hello Master Warehouse,hello Bunnings UK.hello introducing cane toad
Realists are needed.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm sure people are bored of our bickering so I'll leave it there. We have different views on how the game has and is travelling, we'll never agree. Onward and upward #talkthegameup

 

[Stormwarrior82]

At some point smith, Grant and Greenberg will tell there side of the story. No matter which side you stand on the truth will come out and not be delivered by a disgruntled club leaker or News Ltd reporter.

 

[insert.pause]

I think we are going to need a new commissioner!

You can't be responsible for foxtels rights negotiations & commercial relationships and sit on the ARLC, the conflict is surely insurmountable.

Ex-Nine exec Amanda Laing among new hirings at Foxtel
STEPHEN BROOKJUNE 26, 2018

Former Nine Entertainment executive Amanda Laing has been named Foxtel’s new chief commercial officer responsible for its content strategy, rights negotiations and its sometimes vexed relationship with Telstra.

In a raft of management announcements yesterday, Foxtel chief executive Patrick Delany appointed Peter Campbell as head of Fox Sports. Mr Campbell had been acting chief operating officer of Fox Sports, which merged with Foxtel in April.

Ms Laing, who has been a consultant to the pay-TV group advising on the merger of the two companies, will develop content strategy and oversee negotiations, partnerships and commercial relationships. Foxtel has contacts with production companies, Hollywood studies and sporting organisations including Cricket Australia, which recently granted Foxtel and Seven West Media broadcast rights in a $1.18 billion deal. Ms Laing will also look after Foxtel’s relationship with Telstra.

Ms Laing resigned from Nine in May last year after 17 years with the company. She was the group’s general counsel and commercial director before being promoted to managing director in 2015.

She went to the US last year to complete an executive leadership course at Stanford University before returning in September.

https://outline.com/AuKJay

 

[siv]

You need to check with Politis for his nominee

 

[Disinterested third party]

I think we are going to need a new commissioner!

You can't be responsible for foxtels rights negotiations & commercial relationships and sit on the ARLC, the conflict is surely insurmountable.

https://outline.com/AuKJay

Sounds like Gallop when he used to hand the cheque to himself. No conflict to be seen.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I think we are going to need a new commissioner!

You can't be responsible for foxtels rights negotiations & commercial relationships and sit on the ARLC, the conflict is surely insurmountable.

https://outline.com/AuKJay

Why do we need another commissioner. This is great news in my opinion. Clearly she couldn’t be on the Nrl tv broadcast negotiating team but could definitely be helpful. Business people can have conflicts of interest in a lot of ways and she would have to be excused when those conversations come up. For me as long as the other commissioners probe her for information and she is helpful to the Nrl I can’t see a problem. Maybe she could even tell us what the afl are going to do next tv deal?

She would be more willing to help the Nrl than the afl if we keep her in our corner.

 

[insert.pause]

Why do we need another commissioner. This is great news in my opinion. Clearly she couldn’t be on the Nrl tv broadcast negotiating team but could definitely be helpful. Business people can have conflicts of interest in a lot of ways and she would have to be excused when those conversations come up. For me as long as the other commissioners probe her for information and she is helpful to the Nrl I can’t see a problem. Maybe she could even tell us what the afl are going to do next tv deal?

She would be more willing to help the Nrl than the afl if we keep her in our corner.

She was appointed for her experience in negotiating broadcast deals, now we can't use her because shes negotiating on behalf of the primary broadcaster. There would be so much corporate information she would be privy to that would effectively rule her out of sitting in on the majority of meetings, rendering her seat pointless. On top of all that, I don't think she is even eligible to remain on the commission now she is employed by newscorp, she's no longer independent for the purposes of the games constitution.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...r/news-story/265081917768a0168283b5178cf039d2

Beattie plan would have clublanders on commission earlier

• Exclusive
  Brent Read
  Senior Sports Writer
  @brentread_7
• 12:00AM September 12, 2018

Chairman Peter Beattie has raised the prospect of eliminating the three-year stand-down period for commissioners, a move that could clear the way for the likes of Nick Pappas, John Quayle and Nick Politis to walk straight on to the ARL Commission.

Beattie will reopen the constitutional debate today as he meets Pappas, Melbourne Storm chairman Bart Campbell and Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher to discuss whether to put changes back on the table.

The debate was brought to an abrupt end last year when clubs and states were unable to agree on a way forward. The compromise was that club representative Peter V’landys joined the commission as an independent.

The clubs’ other representative, lawyer Glen Selikowitz, stepped aside to allow television executive Amanda Laing to also join as an independent.

While there appears no appetite for the changes that would have meant the states and clubs being given two representatives apiece on a reformed 10-person commission, there has been a view among many that the three-year stand-down period has run its course.

When the commission was formed, no-one involved with a club or the game in the previous three years was eligible to be considered. That ruled out many potential candidates and meant the commission was pieced together with a lack of club experience.

The sense is that the rule should be changed. The likes of Quayle, Pappas and Politis shape as logical candidates should the selection criteria be altered. Beattie will get a gauge of where he stands after today’s meeting with Pappas, Campbell and Hatcher, which is scheduled to follow a summit involving club bosses from all 16 clubs.

“As promised, I have convened a meeting of key parties following this meeting,” Beattie wrote in a State of the Game report sent to club bosses ahead of today’s meeting of club bosses.

“I will keep chairs informed. One rule we need to look at in the future is who can be an ARLC commissioner.

“The current rule excludes many talented people who are currently involved in clubs. The three-year period is too long.

“Perhaps it should be reduced to a year or changed to allow club involved people to resign and then be appointed.”

Beattie also urges officials to leave the rivalry on the field, concedes the game has been too reactive since the Super League war and addresses the growing uncertainty over the media landscape, reiterating that player behaviour would be crucial to the success or failure of game.

“At the moment there is an unprecedented amount of goodwill in the game,” Beattie wrote.

“We need to use that to grow the game and make some of the tough decisions necessary for the future of the game.

“We need to leave the rivalry on the football field. Too often point-scoring leaks from within the game undermine the game.

“What helps one of us, helps all of us. What hurts one of us, hurts all of us. If the game is doing well, there will be more money to share and we have a distribution model in place that rewards all of us if we can outperform.”

The code has enjoyed an increase in average and total crowds this season and has defied market trends by increasing ratings by 1.1 per cent in Australia and New Zealand.

The NRL has done that despite a fractious relationship with sections of the media. Beattie has been one of the chief executive Todd Greenberg’s strongest allies and he reaffirmed his support in the email, which was also sent to his fellow commissioners.

“Too often sections of the game see the NRL as the enemy,” Beattie wrote. “The current NRL administration is doing a good job. No one is perfect and the key to the game’s future is to have an administration that is responsive to clubs, players and fans.

“We have that and the current system of meetings of chairs and CEOs is important for that responsiveness to continue.

“Because the integrity unit has an ugly job to do, this often affects perceptions of the NRL. Having a policing role is never popular but vital to the running of the game.

“If we compromise on integrity, the game will collapse.”

In terms of broadcasting, Beattie stresses the importance of player behaviour as the game reels from the damage caused by the Canterbury Bulldogs’ Mad Monday scandal.

“The current broadcast deal is good for the game and we are working closely with our partners to maximise the benefits to the game and our partners,” Beattie wrote. “However, the media landscape is changing rapidly. This is a major challenge for the future. That also means player behaviour is crucial to the success and value of our game.

“The game has been too reactive since Super League. It needs to be more proactive.”

 

[insert.pause]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...r/news-story/265081917768a0168283b5178cf039d2

Beattie plan would have clublanders on commission earlier

• Exclusive
  Brent Read
  Senior Sports Writer
  @brentread_7
• 12:00AM September 12, 2018

Chairman Peter Beattie has raised the prospect of eliminating the three-year stand-down period for commissioners, a move that could clear the way for the likes of Nick Pappas, John Quayle and Nick Politis to walk straight on to the ARL Commission.

Beattie will reopen the constitutional debate today as he meets Pappas, Melbourne Storm chairman Bart Campbell and Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher to discuss whether to put changes back on the table.

The debate was brought to an abrupt end last year when clubs and states were unable to agree on a way forward. The compromise was that club representative Peter V’landys joined the commission as an independent.

The clubs’ other representative, lawyer Glen Selikowitz, stepped aside to allow television executive Amanda Laing to also join as an independent.

While there appears no appetite for the changes that would have meant the states and clubs being given two representatives apiece on a reformed 10-person commission, there has been a view among many that the three-year stand-down period has run its course.

When the commission was formed, no-one involved with a club or the game in the previous three years was eligible to be considered. That ruled out many potential candidates and meant the commission was pieced together with a lack of club experience.

The sense is that the rule should be changed. The likes of Quayle, Pappas and Politis shape as logical candidates should the selection criteria be altered. Beattie will get a gauge of where he stands after today’s meeting with Pappas, Campbell and Hatcher, which is scheduled to follow a summit involving club bosses from all 16 clubs.

“As promised, I have convened a meeting of key parties following this meeting,” Beattie wrote in a State of the Game report sent to club bosses ahead of today’s meeting of club bosses.

“I will keep chairs informed. One rule we need to look at in the future is who can be an ARLC commissioner.

“The current rule excludes many talented people who are currently involved in clubs. The three-year period is too long.

“Perhaps it should be reduced to a year or changed to allow club involved people to resign and then be appointed.”

Beattie also urges officials to leave the rivalry on the field, concedes the game has been too reactive since the Super League war and addresses the growing uncertainty over the media landscape, reiterating that player behaviour would be crucial to the success or failure of game.

“At the moment there is an unprecedented amount of goodwill in the game,” Beattie wrote.

“We need to use that to grow the game and make some of the tough decisions necessary for the future of the game.

“We need to leave the rivalry on the football field. Too often point-scoring leaks from within the game undermine the game.

“What helps one of us, helps all of us. What hurts one of us, hurts all of us. If the game is doing well, there will be more money to share and we have a distribution model in place that rewards all of us if we can outperform.”

The code has enjoyed an increase in average and total crowds this season and has defied market trends by increasing ratings by 1.1 per cent in Australia and New Zealand.

The NRL has done that despite a fractious relationship with sections of the media. Beattie has been one of the chief executive Todd Greenberg’s strongest allies and he reaffirmed his support in the email, which was also sent to his fellow commissioners.

“Too often sections of the game see the NRL as the enemy,” Beattie wrote. “The current NRL administration is doing a good job. No one is perfect and the key to the game’s future is to have an administration that is responsive to clubs, players and fans.

“We have that and the current system of meetings of chairs and CEOs is important for that responsiveness to continue.

“Because the integrity unit has an ugly job to do, this often affects perceptions of the NRL. Having a policing role is never popular but vital to the running of the game.

“If we compromise on integrity, the game will collapse.”

In terms of broadcasting, Beattie stresses the importance of player behaviour as the game reels from the damage caused by the Canterbury Bulldogs’ Mad Monday scandal.

“The current broadcast deal is good for the game and we are working closely with our partners to maximise the benefits to the game and our partners,” Beattie wrote. “However, the media landscape is changing rapidly. This is a major challenge for the future. That also means player behaviour is crucial to the success and value of our game.

“The game has been too reactive since Super League. It needs to be more proactive.”

Wow, the most common sense solution! About time they got rid of the 3 year rule, it is ridiculous and has been the source of most of the games problems with the commission model.

 

[siv]

Interesting

Politis wants to move up from.the NSWRL board and onto the ARLC board

 

[insert.pause]

Interesting

Politis wants to move up from.the NSWRL board and onto the ARLC board

it would require him to relinquish his involvement with easts, not sure he would want to do that.

 

[taipan]

it would require him to relinquish his involvement with easts, not sure he would want to do that.

But that would mean the Roosters moving to Adelaide.Shock ,horror.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/b9f211864b443ec1d3a845f12e9c6a2d

NRL: Let’s talk about relocating teams, says QRL boss

• Brent Read
  Senior Sports Writer
  @brentread_7
• 12:00AM September 13, 2018

Queensland Rugby League chair Bruce Hatcher has placed the rationalisation of Sydney clubs back on the agenda after urging the NRL to reignite the conversation about relocating teams to Adelaide and Perth.

Hatcher raised the issue at a meeting between the ARL Commission and club bosses in Sydney yesterday, reiterating his views to The Australian afterwards as he spoke about the prospect of teams moving before they fall into the financial abyss. Hatcher also revealed the QRL may relax their stance on constitutional reform by being open to having an independent representative on the commission rather than their chairman.

The more contentious issue is the view that some Sydney clubs are on borrowed time.

“I have a personal view that we do need geographic expansion,” Hatcher said. “Every analysis I have done indicates to me that two Sydney clubs could be relocated to say Perth and Adelaide, where they then straddle two markets.

“I did raise the question based on let’s start talking about, let’s start the conversation, don’t keep hiding behind it as if no club is going to relocate.

“I did raise it and I will keep raising it. The counter-punch was that we should have two clubs in Brisbane. I said not necessarily so.

“I think it is inevitable. You can argue all you like about how do you raise the point, but how can you argue against the facts, the realities.

“If it is not inevitable, I would worry about the survival of all those clubs.

“You have to worry about whether they can survive in a diminishing market, or are they prepared to be a bit adventurous, go to a new territory and not only use the advantages they have in that existing market, but open up a brand new market for themselves.

“If you don’t think big, you don’t go anywhere. To me that is strategic. It is thinking a bit beyond the square.”

More than half the clubs in Sydney currently operate at a loss despite receiving grants of more than $12 million from the NRL under the new broadcasting agreement.

Some of those clubs — Parramatta, Canterbury, the Sydney Roosters and Penrith — have the backing of affluent leagues clubs.

Manly rely on private ownership while Cronulla are projected to lose $4 million this year, leaving them to an extent at the mercy of the banks and private lenders.

The NRL has made it clear they will no longer prop up clubs who hit troubled financial waters.

The Australian understands that ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie reiterated that point at yesterday’s meeting attended by club chief executives and chairs.

It is understood the commission has also ruled out expansion through the addition of new teams, meaning any move to add teams in Brisbane, Perth or Adelaide would have to come via current clubs relocating.

Adelaide and Perth have already shown an appetite for top-level rugby league and the commission will take State of Origin games to both cities over the next two years.

“Broader thought is we have two markets where there is significant activity going on,” Hatcher said. “We choose to go to those arkets with our best products. Why don’t we back it with some strategic thinking and start sewing the seeds for what we can do in the future.”

Along with South Sydney chairman Nick Pappas and Melbourne’s Bart Campbell, Hatcher attended a meeting with Beattie to discuss the issue of constitutional reform, which was put on the backburner last year when the states and clubs failed to agree on the way forward.

One of the key issues was the states’ demand that their chairs — Hatcher and George Peponis — be their representatives on the commission for at least an 18-month period.

It is understood the QRL is willing to revisit that position. That would mean either Hatcher standing down to join the commission or the QRL appointing a representative on their behalf.

Discussions are set to continue but the possibility of the QRL and NSW Rugby League revising their stance represents a significant change in the landscape.

“I know from a Queensland point of view, if we could be offered the opportunity to put our point of view, we would probably forego that,” Hatcher said.

“We think it is much more important to be in there leading the cases that we have for better funding of the grassroots, etc, than being outside the ring and thinking people are representing your interests.

“If you take my case, either I would have to resign as chairman of the QRL and it if were offered take the ARL Commission position, or I would stay as chairman of the QRL and the board would appoint someone independent to represent them.”

One of the other sticking points was the power of veto held by both the clubs and the states.

“That is one that needs to be robustly debated about what it really means,” Hatcher said.

“But if you have the right quality of people on that commission — and when I am talking about that I mean you have to have an understanding of the grassroots and the grassroots has to have a better understanding of NRL clubs so that you’re not getting duplication.

“As long as decisions are being made in the best interests of the whole game, I think everyone is a winner.”

 

[Marlins]

But that would mean the Roosters moving to Adelaide.Shock ,horror.

Easts’ Adelaide Roosters has a good ring to it.

 

[taipan]

Easts’ Adelaide Roosters has a good ring to it.

Shortened to: EAR