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ARLC Commission Changes

Perth Red

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taipan said:
The TV deal doubled ,where did the increase go under Smith when he went into service 2013?
We all want assets, but if you are not spending on the base, you are like a school with bugger all pupils.
You don't have a sporting business ,if you lose the bulk of your base.A Bank is a complete;y different animal to a sport.Yes they rely on revenue and infrastructure
,but a sport here is supposedly a non profit set up.


The TV deal for Greenberg started this year ,in operation for 1 year, let's wait and see after 3 years like Smith ,how much is spent on the base.I'll wait for the final figures expended anycase.

BS ,consultants such as Richardson, the lady from Wagga ,if they were so effective they should have been retained.

Oh the transformation had nothing to do with the Commission itself LOL..

Backtracking LOL.I repeat one more time, Smith was initially clueless about how the clubs operate, culturewise
and community wise in this country.
With due respect he would not have acted without advice from his H/O people, nor the concerns of Titans and Knights administration.He had not the real feel for rugby league and it showed.I repeat based on Banks these days, if it was his lone decision The Titans would have been re located, if not, how long would he have agreed to underpin them.
The Knights may well have been save the axe, due to their community backing.Ask yourself Einstein,how long would Smith have continued if they could not get a buyer.

Translation you mean Smith went out on his lonesome with ch9, appeared at a TV press conference on his Pat Malone looking like s stunned mullet.None of these well paid negotiators were with him at that initial announcement. Very strange indeed.You are well and truly under Smith's spell.

Had Fox over a barrel LOL, Fox under Rupes decided to spend millions on promoting AFL in the Nthn States as a bonus to that code, plus they got a whole lot more than Tv pundits expected (like $500m).
Yep Smith sure showed em. Of course Rupert spat the dummy.
We get all these AFL fluff stories and promotion here ,as a result.You don't see it naturally.Thus not a matter of Fox being screwed without the NRL ,it was always going to happen.It was the way he went about it and the lack of support at his ch9 New conference was revealing.

He didn't have much to compete with ,Gallop was a former employee of News Ltd, the local grocer could have perhaps done better.


Who knows what the final TV deal would have been if the deals were done as in the past.

He may have had business acumen specialising in the Banking industry, he had little rugby league .
acumen .
I have applauded Smith for bringing in lobbying to Govt's for funding.

Greenberg has a year or two to prove himself.
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Such a straw man argument you make in point one. The grassroots, base of the game, whatever you want to call it was never in any danger of collapse even if only a single $ was invested. As it was he had invested $18mill in his 3 years.

You dont employ consultants forever! That’s why they are called consultants not staff! You bring in the expertise you don’t have inhouse for a short period to help you develop your strategy and planning.

You have no idea how he would or wouldn’t have acted without advice about the two failed nrl clubs, the fact he didn’t should tell you it’s ridiculous to suggest he would have, or to guess what he might or might not have decided. This is one of your stupidest arguments against him and that’s saying something!

Smith never operated alone, you dont sign those deals alone, again you seem incredibly naive about the way major organisations work. The negotiators worked the deal, Smith would have taken it to the commission, they would have signed off on it. To suggest anything different shows your clear lack of idea about how governance structures work

Only issues I have with smith’s stewardship was his failure to sort out crowds and lack of expansion strategy. Other than that he was responsible for taking a basket case conflicted organisation and draggiing it kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Still waiting to see Greenberg actually deliver anything after three years other than a 4 team nrlw. He hasnt even released a new strategic plan ffs.
 
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Perth Red

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BuffaloRules said:
Out of interest.. how would you have liked him to deliver the message that expansion was not going to be on the agenda for the next 10 years?
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With some level of apology, and commitment to the grass roots instead. And I mean real commitment not the bs he spun telling us we would be getting 3 nrl games a year and internationals. We are down to no nrl games this year lol
he was arrogant and basically gave a “ f**k you we owe you nothing”, despite the WA Govt being led to believe that spending $125mill on nib would go a long way to securing an expansion club and fans getting behind games by selling them out.

The look on the faces of the wa media and Dept of sports and rec managers in the room was a picture to behold!
 
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/783126015fbf5d87548b2e19f3f222c5

Clubs blamed for reform failure

Queensland Rugby League chair Bruce Hatcher has taken aim at a handful of NRL clubs, accusing them of putting personal prejudices ahead of the greater good after the latest attempt to reform the ARL Commission was put on the backburner.

A year after failed attempts to have the clubs and states directly represented on the commission, ARLC chair Peter Beattie’s hopes of finding a peaceful resolution have once again gone up in smoke.

Beattie had hoped to take a proposal to the annual general meeting later this month but talks reached a stalemate, prompting him to once again delay reform.

Beattie will continue talks with the clubs as frustration continues to grow at the Queensland and NSW Rugby Leagues, who have been forced to do the ARL’s bidding from outside the tent since the commission’s inception seven years ago.

Under the reform proposal, the states and clubs were to be given two representatives apiece on a 10-person commission.

As it stands, the eight commissioners are all independent.

Beattie also wants to remove the three year stand-down period for club officials earmarked to join the commission but will struggle to convince the states to agree to any changes while they are refused direct representation.

The latest failed attempt to reform the ARL commission comes as AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan prepares to address NRL club chief executives in Melbourne later this week.

McLachlan is the guest speaker at Friday’s chief executives meeting, which is expected to largely focus on player behaviour and the spate of off-field issues which have damaged rugby league’s standing over the off-season.

However, he has the potential to be a powerful voice when it comes to the commission should the matter arise.

The AFL has removed the mandatory stand-down period, which means officials can leave a club one day and join the commission the next.

Beattie wants rugby league to adopt a similar rule, fearing the likes of South Sydney chair Nick Pappas may turn their back on the opportunity to join the commission should they be forced to stand down from their club post and then wait three years to join the game’s peak body.

However, Beattie will struggle to convince the QRL to agree to eliminating the current mandatory stand-down period while Queensland is prevented from being directly represented on the commission.

“I couldn’t see that the QRL would be disposed to relinquishing that qualification period if no one will talk to us about our position,” Hatcher said.

“From out point of view we’re going to continue a dialogue and see if we can get common sense to prevail because I think it is a black mark. You have to govern in the best interests of all shareholders. It’s not logical. If it is about who gets appointed, people have to learn not to get personal but look at the best person to do it.

“If your motivation is anything other than pure or looking after the best interests of all, then you do have a problem.

“But if you can sit down and say that person has attributes that would be good for the game, then go with it.

“Get rid of personal prejudice and all that sort of stuff and start thinking the bigger picture.”

The states have been given a place on the finance committee but have no direct say on the running of the game via the commission. Nor do the clubs — NSW Racing chief executive Peter V’landys was one of their chosen nominees but eventually joined the commission as an independent after reform failed last year.

Hatcher has campaigned vociferously for the states to be given a place on the commission but he continues to run into brick walls as a handful of clubs dig in their heels.

“I get an opportunity to put points of view at the finance meeting but it is not enough,” he said.

“It is just not enough. Context is everything. Someone can say they put your case strongly but what was the context.

“Let’s sit down and look at the whole thing. Bearing in mind the independents have a majority, so why should it be as dramatic as all these people try to play out if people are genuinely there for the good of the game.

“There is some good people there now with a lot of sense. Just add a few more and get on with running the business properly.“
 
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Gee, Bruce Hatcher has some gall. Complains about the clubs prejudices in stalling reform yet in the same breath says what he wont allow to change. Hypocrite much?
 
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Perth Red said:
Good I hope it stalls forever. The last thing the game needs is to be run by the clubs and NSWRL/QRL. The INDEPENDENT commission was called that for a reason!
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While the veto rights exist it will always only serve the interests of the QRL and a less extent the NSWRL
 
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El Diablo said:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/783126015fbf5d87548b2e19f3f222c5

Clubs blamed for reform failure

Queensland Rugby League chair Bruce Hatcher has taken aim at a handful of NRL clubs, accusing them of putting personal prejudices ahead of the greater good after the latest attempt to reform the ARL Commission was put on the backburner.

A year after failed attempts to have the clubs and states directly represented on the commission, ARLC chair Peter Beattie’s hopes of finding a peaceful resolution have once again gone up in smoke.

Beattie had hoped to take a proposal to the annual general meeting later this month but talks reached a stalemate, prompting him to once again delay reform.

Beattie will continue talks with the clubs as frustration continues to grow at the Queensland and NSW Rugby Leagues, who have been forced to do the ARL’s bidding from outside the tent since the commission’s inception seven years ago.

Under the reform proposal, the states and clubs were to be given two representatives apiece on a 10-person commission.

As it stands, the eight commissioners are all independent.

Beattie also wants to remove the three year stand-down period for club officials earmarked to join the commission but will struggle to convince the states to agree to any changes while they are refused direct representation.

The latest failed attempt to reform the ARL commission comes as AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan prepares to address NRL club chief executives in Melbourne later this week.

McLachlan is the guest speaker at Friday’s chief executives meeting, which is expected to largely focus on player behaviour and the spate of off-field issues which have damaged rugby league’s standing over the off-season.

However, he has the potential to be a powerful voice when it comes to the commission should the matter arise.

The AFL has removed the mandatory stand-down period, which means officials can leave a club one day and join the commission the next.

Beattie wants rugby league to adopt a similar rule, fearing the likes of South Sydney chair Nick Pappas may turn their back on the opportunity to join the commission should they be forced to stand down from their club post and then wait three years to join the game’s peak body.

However, Beattie will struggle to convince the QRL to agree to eliminating the current mandatory stand-down period while Queensland is prevented from being directly represented on the commission.

“I couldn’t see that the QRL would be disposed to relinquishing that qualification period if no one will talk to us about our position,” Hatcher said.

“From out point of view we’re going to continue a dialogue and see if we can get common sense to prevail because I think it is a black mark. You have to govern in the best interests of all shareholders. It’s not logical. If it is about who gets appointed, people have to learn not to get personal but look at the best person to do it.

“If your motivation is anything other than pure or looking after the best interests of all, then you do have a problem.

“But if you can sit down and say that person has attributes that would be good for the game, then go with it.

“Get rid of personal prejudice and all that sort of stuff and start thinking the bigger picture.”

The states have been given a place on the finance committee but have no direct say on the running of the game via the commission. Nor do the clubs — NSW Racing chief executive Peter V’landys was one of their chosen nominees but eventually joined the commission as an independent after reform failed last year.

Hatcher has campaigned vociferously for the states to be given a place on the commission but he continues to run into brick walls as a handful of clubs dig in their heels.

“I get an opportunity to put points of view at the finance meeting but it is not enough,” he said.

“It is just not enough. Context is everything. Someone can say they put your case strongly but what was the context.

“Let’s sit down and look at the whole thing. Bearing in mind the independents have a majority, so why should it be as dramatic as all these people try to play out if people are genuinely there for the good of the game.

“There is some good people there now with a lot of sense. Just add a few more and get on with running the business properly.“
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Presumably Gil will tell them to go the hush money route which he so earnestly advocates...
 
Hello, I'm The Doctor

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I wish the QRL would figure out what they actually want to do....

They are great at throwing tantrums, but can anybody tell me what they want? (other than more money)

They are the group that could break the Sydney stranglehold on the game, but they are just happy to be lords of their own tiny kingdom.
 
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Perth Red said:
Good I hope it stalls forever. The last thing the game needs is to be run by the clubs and NSWRL/QRL. The INDEPENDENT commission was called that for a reason!
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The independent commission would be great if it actually was independent, but sadly it is controlled by a few power brokers who have interests in a few clubs and the rest of the clubs are there to make up the numbers. The day we get a level playing field is the day the game might stop dying
 
El Diablo

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the fans should get a commissioner

someone get Buzz to do another twitter poll to decide who the fans want

nominees

Buzz
Buzz's liver
Halloran
Kent
Hoops
Ritchie
Massoud
posthumously elect Bourbon Bec
 
taipan

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Perth Red said:
Such a straw man argument you make in point one. The grassroots, base of the game, whatever you want to call it was never in any danger of collapse even if only a single $ was invested. As it was he had invested $18mill in his 3 years.

You dont employ consultants forever! That’s why they are called consultants not staff! You bring in the expertise you don’t have inhouse for a short period to help you develop your strategy and planning.

You have no idea how he would or wouldn’t have acted without advice about the two failed nrl clubs, the fact he didn’t should tell you it’s ridiculous to suggest he would have, or to guess what he might or might not have decided. This is one of your stupidest arguments against him and that’s saying something!

Smith never operated alone, you dont sign those deals alone, again you seem incredibly naive about the way major organisations work. The negotiators worked the deal, Smith would have taken it to the commission, they would have signed off on it. To suggest anything different shows your clear lack of idea about how governance structures work

Only issues I have with smith’s stewardship was his failure to sort out crowds and lack of expansion strategy. Other than that he was responsible for taking a basket case conflicted organisation and draggiing it kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Still waiting to see Greenberg actually deliver anything after three years other than a 4 team nrlw. He hasnt' even released a new strategic plan ffs.
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As a Smith sycophant ,the straw man diversionary tactic runs rather hollow.In fact I used an analogy to suggest if you neglect your base you don't have a sporting business.And I'm working long term not immediately.
You swamp your posts with hypotheticals and assumptions, pot and kettle working in tandem.

Ask ru what effect grassroots neglects , is having
on their business.An absurd view "spending only $1".Can't believe you made such comment, then again nothing surprises me.
Did grassroots jump dramatically under his tenure?

You can invest all the money in China.It's where the money is deployed.Not much use spending it on admin or infrastructure, if growth is not being achieved to higher levels, and the indications are numbers have been struggling ,certainly in the 13 up group for some time.
Country clubs complain about lack of assistance financially.You are clueless if you think everything was rosy under Smith .
If you have any idea of the business world ,dead wood ,unnecessary expenditure(duplication) ,like the brown stuff.It happens.There was either dead wood or overstaffing, that's why numbers from H/O were chopped recently.


Whose suggesting employing consultants forever? What a disingenuous assumption.
They are an expensive cost when operating, that is undeniable, as history has shown when they either left or were given the flick a couple of years back.The fact Smith took them on, and I 'm still awaiting the huge beneficial outcome ,says something.

You are no more wiser on how he would have reacted, than my comments.The structure of the competition is the remit of the commission in the end.Titans and Newcastle are part and parcel of that structure.
I am fully aware of the negotiations and how it operates.This last deal was done with Smith operating independently by hitting on 9 first, not as a combined negotiation with News..Yet we lose one of the most influential Commissioners(G Samuel) not long after.It was suggested he was unhappy with the way it was done.Where there's smoke.......

I'm still awaiting for a reason,as to why he attended the 9 announcement on his own, with no other Commission member present.When this has traditionally been the case.If he had the Commission's seal of approval, why no one else there?.Was the Commission fully happy? Was the Commission thinking Smith ,should get the all the accolades for such a "wonderful" deal?Or did the commission give him and his fellow negotiators some leeway ,and they overstepped the guidelines?
Maybe you should ask Rupert.

You and I will never know, what the final financial effect of Smith going to 9 first and Rupert getting the Edgar Britts ,was. Regardless of the influence of New Ltd ,a layman would suggest if this guy was the be all and end all, the Commission would have done all in their power to retain him.I have yet to see evidence to support this view.

Yet two, no, three most important needs of the game, were crowd, grassroots growth and expansion, which were not realised.

"He took the basket case" or was it with working with the commission?Spending money on non performing consultants, is hardly the panacea. Spending heavy dosh on entertainment is no guarantee.
He did act professionally on the ASADA issue, acknowledged by ASADA CEO.

I've already stated my views to date on Greenberg .He should have clamped down hard earlier of repeat offenders.The damage these clowns have done to the game is immeasurable.Yes ,no expansion as yet another failure.
Grassroots has struggled, a non success,.

However a tick for standing up to the naysayers and future state Govts ,by stating G/Fs would be held elsewhere if stadiums as agreed to were not upgraded.And apparently I understand his input re interest fee loan to the Cowboys for their New stadium contribution.
C of Es for Nrl clubs in Sydney and Newcastle from State Govt grants.Securing funding for Fiji rl NRL trials and an asset for Fiji to have a team in the NSW cup.
If you ask me ,no CEO since the inception of the Commission has stepped up, to the mark, and make a big success of the gig.

And BTW my club is going to be hit with fines and who knows what due to incompetence, so that will be a test of his mettle.
 
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