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beave

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Sport;
222 games with the Dragons-St George & St George Illawarra.
6 Tests for Australia
19 State of origin games.

Business Career
Busines Management Degree
Was Exec GM of GIO National workers compensation Operations
Was Exec Managing director of Coal Services P/L Workers compensation for the coal industry.
Since 2012 CEO of Employees Mutual Ltd
Was a director of the NRMA
Was a director of the PCYC
Involved with a couple of charities
30 years experience in financial services sector al up with strategic & operational roles.

Taking the above into consideration think he is well qualified to fit the CEO 's bill ,should he be offered it, compared to the "Einsteins "we had prior.

I’d literally just read the article about him, I had no idea of his achievements away from footy. Has the potential to be a good CEO, a lot better than the current clown.
 

Perth Red

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Dave Smith held money back on a lower Tv deal, instead of spending decent amounts at grassroots level ..
He visited country areas in both NSW and Qld, so should have been fully aware of the problems regarding issues like insurance, junior player retention etc.

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Define decent amounts? During smith’s reign spending on grass roots went up by $18million a year. More than the current mob are increasing grass roots annual spending by, despite having a lot more revenue.

He was a businessman, he was brought in to transform the business. He had some success in that. The rugby league people around him are the ones that failed badly, and then we made the main one ceo lol

The nrl predicted a $50mill loss position by end of this tv deal of the clubs got the $13mill grant they wanted. When the nrl caved in where do you think the bulk of this $50million was covered from? Yep stripping $40mill out of the grasss roots allocation. How’s that work for you taipan?
 
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LeagueXIII

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Yep, he tried to make and save money to benefit the entire game. The RL way is to piss it up the wall and let small but powerful sections of the game dictate which direction you piss in.

It certainly showed. As soon as NRL started to look like being truly independent and exploring options that didn't include News Ltd there was a bounty on his head and unfortunately Grant caved and handed Smith over.

People forget Smith inherited a game that had nothing because of a bloke called David Gallop and his News Ltd connections. He had to build it up, he didn't have the money to throw around.

If rugby league couldn't gain anything from someone like Dave Smith then it is a very sad place....
 

LeagueXIII

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Define decent amounts? During smith’s reign spending on grass roots went up by $25 million a year. More than the current mob are increasing grass roots annual spending by, despite having a lot more revenue.

He was a businessman, he was brought in to transform the business. He had some success in that. The rugby league people around him are the ones that failed badly, and then we made the main one ceo lol

The nrl predicted a $50mill loss position by end of this tv deal of the clubs got the $13mill grant they wanted. When the nrl caved in where do you think the bulk of this $50million was covered from? Yep stripping $40mill out of the grasss roots allocation. How’s that work for you taipan?

Smith and also Grant were constantly personally attacked by the News Ltd press to discredit them, as is the way of the tabloid media. Infact Grant was constantly attacked because he liked fancy cars. I recently read an article from his playing days in which it comments how he has a great love/hobby for fast cars. So it was always a passion of his.....why did the media attack him for it.
 

taipan

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Define decent amounts? During smith’s reign spending on grass roots went up by $25 million a year. More than the current mob are increasing grass roots annual spending by, despite having a lot more revenue.

He was a businessman, he was brought in to transform the business. He had some success in that. The rugby league people around him are the ones that failed badly, and then we made the main one ceo lol

The nrl predicted a $50mill loss position by end of this tv deal of the clubs got the $13mill grant they wanted. When the nrl caved in where do you think the bulk of this $50million was covered from? Yep stripping $40mill out of the grasss roots allocation. How’s that work for you taipan?


Dave Smith's personal valet has posted.

The grassroots complained about lack of resources, and have been doing so for years.Where were all the extra DOs? Has player insurance been reduced substantially? No expansion under his watch?
So decent amounts relates to when there is SFA complaining or very little.Or a loud outpouring of the great work person X has done.

He would have let Titans and Newcastle wither on the vine a drain on resources.In Banking( and I spent 7 years in that industry), they close branches that don't have the volumes or patronage.It has become one of the ,most impersonal industries going around.

They are all bleeding businessmen FFS.And he Smith had some failures which you are too spineless to admit.He certainly kept many in the catering and transport industry employed.He employed some fancy consultants and I'm still awaiting their expensive efforts.
I'll spell out a Smith plus.The professional way he handled the ASADA drug's crisis.

There appears to be a general admission that a CEO of a sport, should have a working knowledge or empathy with that sport.eg your fave boot licking AFL. Which amazes me, why soccer appointed Gallop, and union Raylene.

Except Gallop was at least involved in rugby league as a News lawyer during SL.Greenberg was involved with Canterbury and ANZ stadium.They despite their many deficiencies, knew more about rugby league in their back pocket than Smith knew before and during the years he was involved.

Probably why Greenberg got the nod over Smith..Ask the Eels how Greenberg handled their stuffup.If you have worked within a club sphere you are better equiped to understand salary cap issues and problems.

You answered part of your own question PR ,the clubs getting the extra loot because Beattie opened his gob and played Santa.
They are reining in expenses and are well within expenses budget, which could not be said of the Smith tenure.

Um!! the NRL retrenched a number of people from head office in the last year or so, money spent initially including retrenchment,then later saved is available for grassroots.
Oh and BTW I'm hardly singing the praises of Gallop ,one of our natural disasters, or Greenberg MR PR pour oil on trouble waters.
 

King hit

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Can you find even one post that brings up this issue? I've never seen it mentioned at all.

Nothing to do with this forum mate. Just people on the street and in clubs in Queensland. Everyone on here saw him for what he was.
 

Perth Red

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Dave Smith's personal valet has posted.

The grassroots complained about lack of resources, and have been doing so for years.Where were all the extra DOs? Has player insurance been reduced substantially? No expansion under his watch?
So decent amounts relates to when there is SFA complaining or very little.Or a loud outpouring of the great work person X has done.

He would have let Titans and Newcastle wither on the vine a drain on resources.In Banking( and I spent 7 years in that industry), they close branches that don't have the volumes or patronage.It has become one of the ,most impersonal industries going around.

They are all bleeding businessmen FFS.And he Smith had some failures which you are too spineless to admit.He certainly kept many in the catering and transport industry employed.He employed some fancy consultants and I'm still awaiting their expensive efforts.
I'll spell out a Smith plus.The professional way he handled the ASADA drug's crisis.

There appears to be a general admission that a CEO of a sport, should have a working knowledge or empathy with that sport.eg your fave boot licking AFL. Which amazes me, why soccer appointed Gallop, and union Raylene.

Except Gallop was at least involved in rugby league as a News lawyer during SL.Greenberg was involved with Canterbury and ANZ stadium.They despite their many deficiencies, knew more about rugby league in their back pocket than Smith knew before and during the years he was involved.

Probably why Greenberg got the nod over Smith..Ask the Eels how Greenberg handled their stuffup.If you have worked within a club sphere you are better equiped to understand salary cap issues and problems.

You answered part of your own question PR ,the clubs getting the extra loot because Beattie opened his gob and played Santa.
They are reining in expenses and are well within expenses budget, which could not be said of the Smith tenure.

Um!! the NRL retrenched a number of people from head office in the last year or so, money spent initially including retrenchment,then later saved is available for grassroots.
Oh and BTW I'm hardly singing the praises of Gallop ,one of our natural disasters, or Greenberg MR PR pour oil on trouble waters.

Don’t be shy, tell us how much money he should have thrown at grass roots. When they stop Complaining and asking for more? Lol how naive are you?

The FACT is he significantly increased grass roots funding and continued to increase it year on year for the three years he was in charge. Ignore the FACTS if you like but you’re just making yourself look stupid. You keep saying smith put money aside whilst neglecting increased funding for grass roots, that is simply not true. Either you don’t know what the grass roots funding was 2013-2015 or you are making sht up, which is it?

If it’s the former this might help:

2012 $35mill
2013 $37 mill (+$2mill)
2014 $46.5mill (+$6.5mill)
2015 $56mill (+$9.5mill)

So by the time he was ousted the nrl was spending $18mill a year MORE than when he took over from Gallop. But do tell us again how the nrl neglected grass roots under smith’s stewardship!

As for letting knights and titans die, smith was the one who decided in the nrl taking them over you numpty in 14&15 respectively. Unlike Greenberg who has said the nrl will let clubs die in the event they financially struggle. You don’t seem to know your nrl history very well!

Smith and hisnhis manage,went team failed in a lot of areas, they failed to meet any major kpi of their start plan for startersand 2/3rds of that time was under smith. But in the plan to build an asset base for the game he was spot on and to say he shouldn’t have done so and thrown it all at grassroots is ridiculous, and low and behold the commission have finally cottoned on.
 
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taipan

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Don’t be shy, tell us how much money he should have thrown at grass roots. When they stop Comp,wining? Lol how naive are you?

The FACT is he significantly increased grass roots funding and continued to increase it year on year for the three years he was in charge. Ignore the FACTS if you like but you’re just making yourself look stupid. You keep saying smith put money aside whilst neglecting increased funding for grass roots, that is simply not true. Either you don’t know what the grass roots funding was 2013-2015 or you are making sht up, which is it?

If it’s the former this might help:

2012 $35mill
2013 $37 mill (+$2mill)
2014 $46.5mill (+$6.5mill)
2015 $56mill (+$9.5mill)

So by the time he was ousted the nrl was spending $18mill a year MORE than when he took over from Gallop. But do tell us again how the nrl neglected grass roots under smith’s stewardship!

As for letting knights and titans die, smith was the one who decided in the nrl taking them over you numpty in 14&15 respectively. Unlike Greenberg who has said the nrl will let clubs die in the event they financially struggle. You don’t seem to know your nrl history very well!

Smith and hisnhis manage,went team failed in a lot of areas, they failed to meet any major kpi of their start plan for startersand 2/3rds of that time was under smith. But in the plan to build an asset base for the game he was spot on and to say he shouldn’t have done so and thrown it all at grassroots is ridiculous, and low and behold the commission have finally cottoned on.

You tell us how much money he should have spent ,your'e the Smith expert.and you are still toogutless to spell out mistakes ,he made
There fact is theTv deal prior to the current one(commencing 2018) was well up on the prior ones.Any increase on earlier
Don’t be shy, tell us how much money he should have thrown at grass roots. When they stop Comp,wining? Lol how naive are you?

The FACT is he significantly increased grass roots funding and continued to increase it year on year for the three years he was in charge. Ignore the FACTS if you like but you’re just making yourself look stupid. You keep saying smith put money aside whilst neglecting increased funding for grass roots, that is simply not true. Either you don’t know what the grass roots funding was 2013-2015 or you are making sht up, which is it?

If it’s the former this might help:

2012 $35mill
2013 $37 mill (+$2mill)
2014 $46.5mill (+$6.5mill)
2015 $56mill (+$9.5mill)

So by the time he was ousted the nrl was spending $18mill a year MORE than when he took over from Gallop. But do tell us again how the nrl neglected grass roots under smith’s stewardship!

As for letting knights and titans die, smith was the one who decided in the nrl taking them over you numpty in 14&15 respectively. Unlike Greenberg who has said the nrl will let clubs die in the event they financially struggle. You don’t seem to know your nrl history very well!

Smith and hisnhis manage,went team failed in a lot of areas, they failed to meet any major kpi of their start plan for startersand 2/3rds of that time was under smith. But in the plan to build an asset base for the game he was spot on and to say he shouldn’t have done so and thrown it all at grassroots is ridiculous, and low and behold the commission have finally cottoned on.


Don’t be shy, tell us how much money he should have thrown at grass roots. When they stop Comp,wining? Lol how naive are you?

The FACT is he significantly increased grass roots funding and continued to increase it year on year for the three years he was in charge. Ignore the FACTS if you like but you’re just making yourself look stupid. You keep saying smith put money aside whilst neglecting increased funding for grass roots, that is simply not true. Either you don’t know what the grass roots funding was 2013-2015 or you are making sht up, which is it?

If it’s the former this might help:

2012 $35mill
2013 $37 mill (+$2mill)
2014 $46.5mill (+$6.5mill)
2015 $56mill (+$9.5mill)

So by the time he was ousted the nrl was spending $18mill a year MORE than when he took over from Gallop. But do tell us again how the nrl neglected grass roots under smith’s stewardship!

As for letting knights and titans die, smith was the one who decided in the nrl taking them over you numpty in 14&15 respectively. Unlike Greenberg who has said the nrl will let clubs die in the event they financially struggle. You don’t seem to know your nrl history very well!

Smith and hisnhis manage,went team failed in a lot of areas, they failed to meet any major kpi of their start plan for starters and 2/3rds of that time was under smith. But in the plan to build an asset base for the game he was spot on and to say he shouldn’t have done so and thrown it all at grassroots is ridiculous, and low and behold the commission have finally cottoned on.

Shy LOL. Perhaps you can explain why many clubs and grassroots have been struggling for support not only now, but during the Smith,Gallop years?If there was no neglect,they wouldn't be complaining.
Perhaps you can indicate a figure that grassroots should receive ,as you are so close to Smith.

Let me spell out a few facts which might help:
in 2005 the NRL under Gallop secured a ordinary 6year $500m Tv deal covering the period 2007-2012.

Then in August 2012 Grant (before Smith's arrival as he was appointed 23/11/12) secured a Tv deal for the period 2013-2017.$1bn ($925M cash $100m advtg).So a deal that Grant & Co negotiated (not involving Smith),gave Smith the opportunity to increase grassroots funding in 2015. But guess what they didn't increase by 100%.

The TV contract money doubled from the Gallop deal yet in 2013 the first year of Smith's tenure grassroots money increased by a mere $2m = 5.7% on the low base 2012.
2014 compared to 2012 $11.5m a 32.85% increase on 2012
2015 compared to 2012 $21m a 60% increase on 2012
Oh forget inflation.


All this when total Tv monies doubled and I suggest other revenues increased.But grassroots got nowhere near that increase.Who got the rough end of the pineapple.It's pretty obvious % increase is a problem for you.
Perhaps Smith spending money on high flying consultants impacted that position.
He had no problem with high priced game tickets especially SOO.

Smith left end of 2015 ,thus his payout would appear in the 2016 figures.And consultants left thereabouts or later meaning further payouts.Tell me what did all these consultants achieve?

And you honestly think you naive gimp, Smith was fully au fait with the need to retain the Titans and Knights ,without the need to get advice by people high up within the game ,with a rugby league background.Even Grant and Pearce would have been in his ear apart from others within head office.

If Smith had his Banker's way the Titans would have been either moved or ditched, and Newcastle may have been saved then again maybe not.
Smith came in not having a clue about rugby league clubs in this country.In reality Smith or any CEO would have no other choice but underpin the clubs then.

First impressions are always an indication and this is where Grant and Smith muffed it.If you run an organisation you should at least know the major people or stars involved.

Smith stood up to Murdoch which I applaud, however the did it at a ludicrous time when sensitive Tv negotiations were on.anyone who has even a slight clue how ruthless Murdoch operates ,you cross him commercially ,and he'll sh*t all over you.
This Smith playing rogue, succeeded in boosting marketing and promotional News Ltd work for the AFL in the Northern states, and we see it day after day.And it appears boosting the AFL deal at the same time.I watched the News conference on their(AFL) deal.You don't see the continual AFL fluff stories here on the East Coast because you are playing arm chair generals in your study in Perth.

Greenberg made that statement in 2018, after the NRL had spent tens of millions of dollar propping up the Titans and Knights over the 3 plus years, and losing money BTW in the sales.Certainly not making any.
For the next couple of years after Smith left, they continued to prop up these clubs, not Smith's problem anymore.
Money to be spent is for responsibly controlled and thus financially viable clubs.And I know you'll be licking your lips wishing and praying for a

Got a live one here.I've been following rugby league before you graced your presence sucking oxygen in Hull mate, and any rl history I know would make the little you know of the code in this country, fit onto the nipple of a bandicoot.You're a newbie by comparison in this country,

And you still will not accept the waste of money Smith spent on consultants ,could have been spent better been on grassroots.You still won't acknowledge the payouts to those conusltants when they left.
Adding these plus not obtaining the KPIs

I'm all for building an asset base, but building a player base is the most important thing, without players
and therefore supporters the whole exercise is a clusterfck.

I'll spell it out one more time for the dummies, the CEOs we've had, have not set the world alight, and IMO been from mediocre to ordinary.You fill in the blanks.
 
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taipan

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Yes, and it's up to the governing bodies to use the funds. You want more development officers? Ask who's actually the ones using the cash given to them by the ARLC.

If the the governing bodies do not use the funding responsibly, then they have to or must answer to the provider of such funding.If there is wastage, people have to be brought to account.
However if Head Office funding either does not keep place with inflation,or provides short of what is needed, then the governing bodies can only act within these financial limits
 

Last Week

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If the the governing bodies do not use the funding responsibly, then they have to or must answer to the provider of such funding.If there is wastage, people have to be brought to account.
However if Head Office funding either does not keep place with inflation,or provides short of what is needed, then the governing bodies can only act within these financial limits

Ha! Yeah, the ARLC need to pull the state leagues into line. Worked out well with the clubs right?

You've been shown already that funding for grass roots has increased significantly. Find another argument.
 
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Also Dave Smith was the CEO. He may have been involved in the day to day administration of the NRL, but things like funding allocations are not his fiat, but are determined by the meeting of the ARL Commission. Add in people wamnt a 100% increase in funding to the grass roots at a time the clubs were after extra funding, and the players were deep into preparing for the next collective bargaining agreement where they wanted increases in the salary cap and a were chasing a fixed % of revenue of the game as part of that. I suggest things were a bit more complex than Taipan wants to admit.

As to Smith standing up to News Ltd, he did the right thing. Had the rest of the NRL stood firm behind him, New ltd would have had to pay more as believe you me, in terms of Foxtel, rugby league is far more important to its subscriber numbers than AFL is. The fact they gave in like they did is why we wound up with those great things like 6.00 pm games on Fridays :rolleyes:
 

Perth Red

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You tell us how much money he should have spent ,your'e the Smith expert.and you are still toogutless to spell out mistakes ,he made
There fact is theTv deal prior to the current one(commencing 2018) was well up on the prior ones.Any increase on earlier





Shy LOL. Perhaps you can explain why many clubs and grassroots have been struggling for support not only now, but during the Smith,Gallop years?If there was no neglect,they wouldn't be complaining.
Perhaps you can indicate a figure that grassroots should receive ,as you are so close to Smith.

Let me spell out a few facts which might help:
in 2005 the NRL under Gallop secured a ordinary 6year $500m Tv deal covering the period 2007-2012.

Then in August 2012 Grant (before Smith's arrival as he was appointed 23/11/12) secured a Tv deal for the period 2013-2017.$1bn ($925M cash $100m advtg).So a deal that Grant & Co negotiated (not involving Smith),gave Smith the opportunity to increase grassroots funding in 2015. But guess what they didn't increase by 100%.

The TV contract money doubled from the Gallop deal yet in 2013 the first year of Smith's tenure grassroots money increased by a mere $2m = 5.7% on the low base 2012.
2014 compared to 2012 $11.5m a 32.85% increase on 2012
2015 compared to 2012 $21m a 60% increase on 2012
Oh forget inflation.


All this when total Tv monies doubled and I suggest other revenues increased.But grassroots got nowhere near that increase.Who got the rough end of the pineapple.It's pretty obvious % increase is a problem for you.
Perhaps Smith spending money on high flying consultants impacted that position.
He had no problem with high priced game tickets especially SOO.

Smith left end of 2015 ,thus his payout would appear in the 2016 figures.And consultants left thereabouts or later meaning further payouts.Tell me what did all these consultants achieve?

And you honestly think you naive gimp, Smith was fully au fait with the need to retain the Titans and Knights ,without the need to get advice by people high up within the game ,with a rugby league background.Even Grant and Pearce would have been in his ear apart from others within head office.

If Smith had his Banker's way the Titans would have been either moved or ditched, and Newcastle may have been saved then again maybe not.
Smith came in not having a clue about rugby league clubs in this country.In reality Smith or any CEO would have no other choice but underpin the clubs then.

First impressions are always an indication and this is where Grant and Smith muffed it.If you run an organisation you should at least know the major people or stars involved.

Smith stood up to Murdoch which I applaud, however the did it at a ludicrous time when sensitive Tv negotiations were on.anyone who has even a slight clue how ruthless Murdoch operates ,you cross him commercially ,and he'll sh*t all over you.
This Smith playing rogue, succeeded in boosting marketing and promotional News Ltd work for the AFL in the Northern states, and we see it day after day.And it appears boosting the AFL deal at the same time.I watched the News conference on their(AFL) deal.You don't see the continual AFL fluff stories here on the East Coast because you are playing arm chair generals in your study in Perth.

Greenberg made that statement in 2018, after the NRL had spent tens of millions of dollar propping up the Titans and Knights over the 3 plus years, and losing money BTW in the sales.Certainly not making any.
For the next couple of years after Smith left, they continued to prop up these clubs, not Smith's problem anymore.
Money to be spent is for responsibly controlled and thus financially viable clubs.And I know you'll be licking your lips wishing and praying for a

Got a live one here.I've been following rugby league before you graced your presence sucking oxygen in Hull mate, and any rl history I know would make the little you know of the code in this country, fit onto the nipple of a bandicoot.You're a newbie by comparison in this country,

And you still will not accept the waste of money Smith spent on consultants ,could have been spent better been on grassroots.You still won't acknowledge the payouts to those conusltants when they left.
Adding these plus not obtaining the KPIs

I'm all for building an asset base, but building a player base is the most important thing, without players
and therefore supporters the whole exercise is a clusterfck.

I'll spell it out one more time for the dummies, the CEOs we've had, have not set the world alight, and IMO been from mediocre to ordinary.You fill in the blanks.

They should have put it into it what they could afford and what would have made some difference without compromising the goal of having some retained assets from the games biggest ever cash windfall. Seems to me that the gradual increase year on year was a sensible way forward whilst those consultants were building the strategy and plans for grassroots. Or they could have just chucked tonnes of money at it in 2015 without any clue to what it should be targeted at lol As for your ongoing rant about consultants, they helped turn a Gallop led basket case of an organisation into a modern $billion org with a strat plan, business transformation plan, grass roots transformation plan etc. Good luck transforming a business without that investment.

Greenberg is only doing exactly the same, not giving grassroots as much as planned so they can have some retained assets by end of this second cash windfall. He's sliced $40mill out of the next 5 years of grass roots funding to build an asset base. What's your opinion on that?

Stop backtracking, Smith was in charge when the NRL decided to not let the Titans and Knights go under. Fact.

Smith and his well paid media negotiators negotiated the biggest FTA deal of all time, had Fox over a barrel and the commission bottled it. Fox would be screwed without NRL. They know it, Smith knew it, we know it. Murdoch spitting the dummy had the commission turned to jelly and the rest is history.

And for the final time he wasn't perfect, far from it. But what he brought was a business acumen not seen before or since and probably not to be seen again. That is the role of the CEO, to sort out the money and strategic growth. Its up to the industry specialist execs to sort out the football side of things, you know the idiot in charge at the time who we then made CEO!
 
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taipan

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They should have put it into it what they could afford and what would have made some difference without compromising the goal of having some retained assets from the games biggest ever cash windfall. Seems to me that the gradual increase year on year was a sensible way forward whilst those consultants were building the strategy and plans for grassroots. Or they could have just chucked tonnes of money at it in 2015 without any clue to what it should be targeted at lol As for your ongoing rant about consultants, they helped turn a Gallop led basket case of an organisation into a modern $billion org with a strat plan, business transformation plan, grass roots transformation plan etc. Good luck transforming a business without that investment.

Greenberg is only doing exactly the same, not giving grassroots as much as planned so they can have some retained assets by end of this second cash windfall. He's sliced $40mill out of the next 5 years of grass roots funding to build an asset base. What's your opinion on that?

Stop backtracking, Smith was in charge when the NRL decided to not let the Titans and Knights go under. Fact.

Smith and his well paid media negotiators negotiated the biggest FTA deal of all time, had Fox over a barrel and the commission bottled it. Fox would be screwed without NRL. They know it, Smith knew it, we know it. Murdoch spitting the dummy had the commission turned to jelly and the rest is history.

And for the final time he wasn't perfect, far from it. But what he brought was a business acumen not seen before or since and probably not to be seen again. That is the role of the CEO, to sort out the money and strategic growth. Its up to the industry specialist execs to sort out the football side of things, you know the idiot in charge at the time who we then made CEO!

The TV deal doubled ,where did the increase go under Smith when he went into service 2013?
We all want assets, but if you are not spending on the base, you are like a school with bugger all pupils.
You don't have a sporting business ,if you lose the bulk of your base.A Bank is a complete;y different animal to a sport.Yes they rely on revenue and infrastructure
,but a sport here is supposedly a non profit set up.


The TV deal for Greenberg started this year ,in operation for 1 year, let's wait and see after 3 years like Smith ,how much is spent on the base.I'll wait for the final figures expended anycase.

BS ,consultants such as Richardson, the lady from Wagga ,if they were so effective they should have been retained.

Oh the transformation had nothing to do with the Commission itself LOL..

Backtracking LOL.I repeat one more time, Smith was initially clueless about how the clubs operate, culturewise
and community wise in this country.
With due respect he would not have acted without advice from his H/O people, nor the concerns of Titans and Knights administration.He had not the real feel for rugby league and it showed.I repeat based on Banks these days, if it was his lone decision The Titans would have been re located, if not, how long would he have agreed to underpin them.
The Knights may well have been save the axe, due to their community backing.Ask yourself Einstein,how long would Smith have continued if they could not get a buyer.

Translation you mean Smith went out on his lonesome with ch9, appeared at a TV press conference on his Pat Malone looking like s stunned mullet.None of these well paid negotiators were with him at that initial announcement. Very strange indeed.You are well and truly under Smith's spell.

Had Fox over a barrel LOL, Fox under Rupes decided to spend millions on promoting AFL in the Nthn States as a bonus to that code, plus they got a whole lot more than Tv pundits expected (like $500m).
Yep Smith sure showed em. Of course Rupert spat the dummy.
We get all these AFL fluff stories and promotion here ,as a result.You don't see it naturally.Thus not a matter of Fox being screwed without the NRL ,it was always going to happen.It was the way he went about it and the lack of support at his ch9 New conference was revealing.

He didn't have much to compete with ,Gallop was a former employee of News Ltd, the local grocer could have perhaps done better.


Who knows what the final TV deal would have been if the deals were done as in the past.

He may have had business acumen specialising in the Banking industry, he had little rugby league .
acumen .
I have applauded Smith for bringing in lobbying to Govt's for funding.

Greenberg has a year or two to prove himself.
 

taipan

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Ha! Yeah, the ARLC need to pull the state leagues into line. Worked out well with the clubs right?

You've been shown already that funding for grass roots has increased significantly. Find another argument.

That's been the case since day one, hardly a new issue.

I've spelt out quite clearly the minimal % increases since Gallop's last deal ordinary Tv deal over 6 years ending 2012 relating to the Tv deal which doubled.Significantly not really , when TV deal doubles.
No need for another argument.My point remains as is.
 
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Also Dave Smith was the CEO. He may have been involved in the day to day administration of the NRL, but things like funding allocations are not his fiat, but are determined by the meeting of the ARL Commission. Add in people wamnt a 100% increase in funding to the grass roots at a time the clubs were after extra funding, and the players were deep into preparing for the next collective bargaining agreement where they wanted increases in the salary cap and a were chasing a fixed % of revenue of the game as part of that. I suggest things were a bit more complex than Taipan wants to admit.

As to Smith standing up to News Ltd, he did the right thing. Had the rest of the NRL stood firm behind him, New ltd would have had to pay more as believe you me, in terms of Foxtel, rugby league is far more important to its subscriber numbers than AFL is. The fact they gave in like they did is why we wound up with those great things like 6.00 pm games on Fridays :rolleyes:

He would be involved in making recommendations for funding the base.The Commission is involved in game structure,,infrastructure etc.
I have never suggested running the NRLl was an easy situation.Dealing with selfish clubs, state leagues at times out of the loop, players behaving like dicks off field.
Beg to differ.Smith standing up to News ,provided the AFL with a bonus many millions of promotional freebies and PR in the Northern states.
Fox was always going to get the NRL.And you think having to relinquish Monday nights, wasn't going to make Fox want a Friday 6pm entree.
The question is how much more money would have been received by the NRL,if the negotiations were conducted similarly to 2012.We were crapping all over the AFL in ratings.
 

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