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Vasilevsky

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The Farah argument has been done to death.
The only signature I'm interested in right now is Chambers or Koroibete

Yes, Nick has already decided. If the club doesn't make every possible effort to sign Farah, arrests and exile to somewhere in north-west Queensland will follow.

It should get done anyway. The silence from Farah and the club on the issue has been deafening in regard to the speculation. I presume they are just trying to get the Tigers to pay still more of his salary for the next 2 years.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Yes, Nick has already decided. If the club doesn't make every possible effort to sign Farah, arrests and exile to somewhere in north-west Queensland will follow.

It should get done anyway. The silence from Farah and the club on the issue has been deafening in regard to the speculation. I presume they are just trying to get the Tigers to pay still more of his salary for the next 2 years.

The Tigers have stated they are happy to pay him out of his contract completely
 
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Vasilevsky

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The Tigers have stated they are happy to pay him out of his contract completely

What it means is that he will get 100% of his salary but if he goes to a rival club, it would have to be decided who pays how much of that salary.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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How many Premierships and SOO wins for Farrah and at times he has been playing some pretty good company? So why do some think he will be a messiah for us? All that would happen is he would look ok amongst an average team. Leave him where he is.
People keep talking Benji up as part of the "Spine" really??? How many bad kicks, missed tackles, bad last play options last year? Yes he did spark some attacks but let's be honest how effective were we at scoring tries? If we had a good attack we would have bolted into the semis not just fallen in. Reality is Beni just ain't what he used to be and if you say he will teach the younger blokes then do it in the Cutters. We need a top class half either buy one or get a halves coach and develop one because that is the one position that has killed us for 20 + years.
Other people keep saying we need speed out wide whilst there is some merit in that for runaway and intercept tries what you really need are good finishers and that comes from good backline movements and that comes from centres making breaks and that comes from halves who create time and space and what do we have 2 specialist 5/8's. If you don't fix that the team will always be poor in attack.
The hallmark of our once great club was good coaching, retaining juniors and blooding them into 1st grade, astute purchasing and ruthlessly moving players on when their time is up.(RIP Frank Facer). At the very time we had some players developing nicely we gave them Price as a coach no wonder Rein can't pass from dummy half what was Price ever going to teach anyone?
If you want to win premierships start treating this like a business, get the best coaching and support staff (Mary has good potential) , stop losing good juniors, stop buying pensioners has beens and never was's and stop keeping what have been great club men for a season too long.
 

TruSaint

Referee
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How many Premierships and SOO wins for Farrah and at times he has been playing some pretty good company? So why do some think he will be a messiah for us? All that would happen is he would look ok amongst an average team. Leave him where he is.
People keep talking Benji up as part of the "Spine" really??? How many bad kicks, missed tackles, bad last play options last year? Yes he did spark some attacks but let's be honest how effective were we at scoring tries? If we had a good attack we would have bolted into the semis not just fallen in. Reality is Beni just ain't what he used to be and if you say he will teach the younger blokes then do it in the Cutters. We need a top class half either buy one or get a halves coach and develop one because that is the one position that has killed us for 20 + years.
Other people keep saying we need speed out wide whilst there is some merit in that for runaway and intercept tries what you really need are good finishers and that comes from good backline movements and that comes from centres making breaks and that comes from halves who create time and space and what do we have 2 specialist 5/8's. If you don't fix that the team will always be poor in attack.
The hallmark of our once great club was good coaching, retaining juniors and blooding them into 1st grade, astute purchasing and ruthlessly moving players on when their time is up.(RIP Frank Facer). At the very time we had some players developing nicely we gave them Price as a coach no wonder Rein can't pass from dummy half what was Price ever going to teach anyone?
If you want to win premierships start treating this like a business, get the best coaching and support staff (Mary has good potential) , stop losing good juniors, stop buying pensioners has beens and never was's and stop keeping what have been great club men for a season too long.

Great post and welcome to the forum.

A great deal of what you say makes sense. Frank Facer's era is gone ( RIP ), and unfortunately so has the methodology of recruiting and releasing players.

This is the era of $$$, andIm not talking the salary cap, but rather the very obscure, manipulative, and deceptive TPA'.s. That is now the space we play in whether we like it or not.

As to Marshall, for a team with such a poor offence, he was 2nd only to JT in try assists, and 3rd in line break assists. Considering where we ranked in points scored, that is a gem of a statistic.

Apart from the above, Marshall brings experience, confidence, and profile to the Club. He has surpassed my expectations.
 

The Nick

Bench
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How many Premierships and SOO wins for Farrah and at times he has been playing some pretty good company? So why do some think he will be a messiah for us? All that would happen is he would look ok amongst an average team. Leave him where he is.
People keep talking Benji up as part of the "Spine" really??? How many bad kicks, missed tackles, bad last play options last year? Yes he did spark some attacks but let's be honest how effective were we at scoring tries? If we had a good attack we would have bolted into the semis not just fallen in. Reality is Beni just ain't what he used to be and if you say he will teach the younger blokes then do it in the Cutters. We need a top class half either buy one or get a halves coach and develop one because that is the one position that has killed us for 20 + years.
Other people keep saying we need speed out wide whilst there is some merit in that for runaway and intercept tries what you really need are good finishers and that comes from good backline movements and that comes from centres making breaks and that comes from halves who create time and space and what do we have 2 specialist 5/8's. If you don't fix that the team will always be poor in attack.
The hallmark of our once great club was good coaching, retaining juniors and blooding them into 1st grade, astute purchasing and ruthlessly moving players on when their time is up.(RIP Frank Facer). At the very time we had some players developing nicely we gave them Price as a coach no wonder Rein can't pass from dummy half what was Price ever going to teach anyone?
If you want to win premierships start treating this like a business, get the best coaching and support staff (Mary has good potential) , stop losing good juniors, stop buying pensioners has beens and never was's and stop keeping what have been great club men for a season too long.

This.

Great post. Welcome to the forum.
 
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Vasilevsky

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How many Premierships and SOO wins for Farrah and at times he has been playing some pretty good company? So why do some think he will be a messiah for us? All that would happen is he would look ok amongst an average team. Leave him where he is.

I don't think he is a messiah. I think of myself and V. I. Lenin as that and in my religion there can be only two. I do however think Farah will be a tremendous signing for the Dragons if it comes to pass. Actually the best I can remember if the Tigers are willing to pay half or more of his salary.

People keep talking Benji up as part of the "Spine" really??? How many bad kicks, missed tackles, bad last play options last year? Yes he did spark some attacks but let's be honest how effective were we at scoring tries? If we had a good attack we would have bolted into the semis not just fallen in. Reality is Beni just ain't what he used to be and if you say he will teach the younger blokes then do it in the Cutters.

You almost hit the nail right on the head but instead smashed it into your own finger. It's scary how bad the attack would have been without Benji and Dugan. If the one so many Dragons fans continue to talk up, Widdop, helped them, specifically Benji, out a little the team wouldn't have scraped into the semis but instead would have been top 4 or top 2.

That's hypothetical but no more than your own statement.

Benji was third for try assists in the competition in the team which scored the least tries..... What does this suggest to you? He also did it at first receiver collecting Reins passes from behind, a meter in front, at his feet and on the bounce.

We need a top class half either buy one or get a halves coach and develop one because that is the one position that has killed us for 20 + years.
Other people keep saying we need speed out wide whilst there is some merit in that for runaway and intercept tries what you really need are good finishers and that comes from good backline movements and that comes from centres making breaks and that comes from halves who create time and space and what do we have 2 specialist 5/8's. If you don't fix that the team will always be poor in attack.

They will do fine together as long as one of them accepts being the junior partner (like Morgan and NQ, Townsend at the Warriors, Green at Melbourne and etc) and stops trying to be the main playmaker supercoach Price signed him to be and who he constantly states he wants to be when it clearly isn't his game.


The hallmark of our once great club was good coaching, retaining juniors and blooding them into 1st grade, astute purchasing and ruthlessly moving players on when their time is up.(RIP Frank Facer). At the very time we had some players developing nicely we gave them Price as a coach no wonder Rein can't pass from dummy half what was Price ever going to teach anyone?
If you want to win premierships start treating this like a business, get the best coaching and support staff (Mary has good potential) , stop losing good juniors, stop buying pensioners has beens and never was's and stop keeping what have been great club men for a season too long.

I agree with that 100%. I would like to add stop buying the rejects from Melbourne and expecting them to be superstars for the Dragons.
 
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Old Timer

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Thanks for the replies great to be part of the dialogue.
Benji might be up 2nd or 3rd in try assists but not hard to do when you don't score very many tries. How many tries do we score from inside the opponents 20 (been a problem forever)? We were up in the leaders for forcing line drop outs but no additional tries for all the pressure we created. The halves are where the magic is so obviously not much magic for us but we seem to be easily mesmerised by the few standouts tries we do score.
Granted without him the try scoring would have been less but then we might have finally done something about the problem of the halves. Instead we keep treating the symptoms instead of curing the disease. Benji is but a bandaid to a bigger problem which is exactly what we did with Ben Hornby. Fantastic player but a make shift half back. That team should have won several premierships and underperformed. We made the same mistake when Smith coached us in fact we have probably made the same mistake ever since Billy Smith retired (I think captained 3rd grade when he was 100) simply we have not had a top quality half back in his prime. We have bought plenty of dud halfbacks over the last few years & Benji looks good compared to them but he is a long way from being a Cronk or a Thurston and not sure he is going to get better with age. Time to take the medicine and blood a good young half properly because we only seem to have enough money to by discards or veterans. Then we will have a great 2017/18 with a chance at the title because we are only kidding ourselves if we think we can do it in 2016.
 
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Thanks for the replies great to be part of the dialogue.
Benji might be up 2nd or 3rd in try assists but not hard to do when you don't score very many tries. How many tries do we score from inside the opponents 20 (been a problem forever)? We were up in the leaders for forcing line drop outs but no additional tries for all the pressure we created. The halves are where the magic is so obviously not much magic for us but we seem to be easily mesmerised by the few standouts tries we do score.
Granted without him the try scoring would have been less but then we might have finally done something about the problem of the halves. Instead we keep treating the symptoms instead of curing the disease. Benji is but a bandaid to a bigger problem which is exactly what we did with Ben Hornby. Fantastic player but a make shift half back. That team should have won several premierships and underperformed. We made the same mistake when Smith coached us in fact we have probably made the same mistake ever since Billy Smith retired (I think captained 3rd grade when he was 100) simply we have not had a top quality half back in his prime. We have bought plenty of dud halfbacks over the last few years & Benji looks good compared to them but he is a long way from being a Cronk or a Thurston and not sure he is going to get better with age. Time to take the medicine and blood a good young half properly because we only seem to have enough money to by discards or veterans. Then we will have a great 2017/18 with a chance at the title because we are only kidding ourselves if we think we can do it in 2016.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but it will be interesting to see how the halves go behind a bigger forward pack that is going forward and creating more time and opportunity for our halves to do their thing.
 

SIR LANCELOT

Juniors
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Thanks for the replies great to be part of the dialogue.
Benji might be up 2nd or 3rd in try assists but not hard to do when you don't score very many tries. How many tries do we score from inside the opponents 20 (been a problem forever)? We were up in the leaders for forcing line drop outs but no additional tries for all the pressure we created. The halves are where the magic is so obviously not much magic for us but we seem to be easily mesmerised by the few standouts tries we do score.
Granted without him the try scoring would have been less but then we might have finally done something about the problem of the halves. Instead we keep treating the symptoms instead of curing the disease. Benji is but a bandaid to a bigger problem which is exactly what we did with Ben Hornby. Fantastic player but a make shift half back. That team should have won several premierships and underperformed. We made the same mistake when Smith coached us in fact we have probably made the same mistake ever since Billy Smith retired (I think captained 3rd grade when he was 100) simply we have not had a top quality half back in his prime. We have bought plenty of dud halfbacks over the last few years & Benji looks good compared to them but he is a long way from being a Cronk or a Thurston and not sure he is going to get better with age. Time to take the medicine and blood a good young half properly because we only seem to have enough money to by discards or veterans. Then we will have a great 2017/18 with a chance at the title because we are only kidding ourselves if we think we can do it in 2016.

Good thinking 99. Now is the time to go forward. No half measures. A good half has been my wish to get this club going forward.

Lancelot :cool::cool::cool:
 

Wittenberg

Juniors
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Guys the days when we had a club running like clockwork with Facer at the helm are long gone. Salary Cap for a start has changed the landscape regarding recruiting, retaining and developing players. Remember we were the silver tails during our Golden years, poaching players like Raper from Newtown and Wittenberg, who did a Tallis and refused to play his final year of his contract and sit out a year to play with us. Other clubs hated us and we were the Manly and Roosters of the day. Facer was the Politios of the 1950 & 1960's.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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Guys the days when we had a club running like clockwork with Facer at the helm are long gone. Salary Cap for a start has changed the landscape regarding recruiting, retaining and developing players. Remember we were the silver tails during our Golden years, poaching players like Raper from Newtown and Wittenberg, who did a Tallis and refused to play his final year of his contract and sit out a year to play with us. Other clubs hated us and we were the Manly and Roosters of the day. Facer was the Politios of the 1950 & 1960's.

Success breeds success and that is why many players came to St George in those days in an effort to better themselves and go on to test football but our juniors were the backbone of the club. John Greaves, Alan McKean, Brian James left the club to get into 1st grade elsewhere and went on to be test players.
No doubt the landscape has changed with salary cap etc but the question still remains how many regular test players have we lured to our club in recent years? We seem to be able to produce a few and lose some of them but we never seem to buy any established test players and yet we supposedly have a salary cap problem doesn't make sense.
 
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Guys the days when we had a club running like clockwork with Facer at the helm are long gone. Salary Cap for a start has changed the landscape regarding recruiting, retaining and developing players. Remember we were the silver tails during our Golden years, poaching players like Raper from Newtown and Wittenberg, who did a Tallis and refused to play his final year of his contract and sit out a year to play with us. Other clubs hated us and we were the Manly and Roosters of the day. Facer was the Politios of the 1950 & 1960's.

Gotta disagree in that Facer worked on the railways before becoming club secretary whereas politis family is very wealthy and well connected
 

jenninga

First Grade
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Are you Old Timer Old Timer,or another Old Timer Old Timer.

And are the the Old Timer who witnessed the 11 in a row,or another Old Timer who has also witness the 11 in a row.
 

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