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Breaking Bad

Danish

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The lily of the valley poisoning wasn't a guaranteed survival, just it was less lethal than ricin.

That plan was The Dark Knight level of ridiculous in terms of what had to come off for it to work, but Breaking Bad is just so good that you don't really notice it at the time.
 

Pete Cash

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Yep, its still pretty deadly. Walt doesn't really give a f**k one way or the other about Brock BUT if he did die (or indeed survive as in the show) the toxicology report would have shown Lily of the Valley which Jesse would (and does) assume Brock just ate on his own as kids do.

The lily of the valley means no ricin to worry the government but its enough to make Jesse believe that Walt poisoned Brock so he would confront him and Walt could roll the dice with his crazy plan.
 

Mader45

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Its a long bow but talking about foreshadowing, does anyone rememer Hanks obsession with minerals? He was getting all these boxes of rocks at the time he asked Hank to take a look at the chemistry book with WW in it. Nothing came out of the mineral fascination Hank had. It was a decent amount of screen time to have no relevance to anything.... the only relevance i can think of now is that maybe Walts dirty clothes give something away to Hank instead of the lottery.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Don't know if I'm just being anal about it but I don't like the end of season 4 when the bomb blast goes off and Gus walks out if the room with half his face blown off and adjusts his tie and fall and dies. Cheapened it for me for some reason.

Up to episode 4 of season 5 I don't know what to turn to when this show finishes.
 

Danish

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Don't know if I'm just being anal about it but I don't like the end of season 4 when the bomb blast goes off and Gus walks out if the room with half his face blown off and adjusts his tie and fall and dies. Cheapened it for me for some reason.

Up to episode 4 of season 5 I don't know what to turn to when this show finishes.


I hated that as well.

Right up until he walked out that door the scene was perfect. Had they just shown a nurse come hesitantly down the hallway then run into the room all would have been well. Instead they crowbarred in a ridiculously unrealistic death purely for the shock value of having him emerge from the room and make us think he had survived it somehow.

Thats probably the only truly flawed scene in the entire series. I mean there are obviously some outlandish leaps of faith that they ask us to make, but they also spent plenty of time defining the laws of the Breaking Bad universe so that when the time comes you make those leaps without even noticing. Gus's death was basically just them yelling "f**k the rules, lets get Tarantino to write the last 20 seconds of this scene"
 

BDR

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Another awesome episode. I love how they just get stuck into it every episode instead of dancing around the cliffhanger like every other show does.

Compelling stuff.
 

Tommax25

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His plan was simply ludicrous.

He poisons Brock somehow with a plant that has similar effects as ricin. He then has the ricin cigarette lifted so Jesse thinks it was Walt so he would go and confront him.

He then hopes he can trick Jesse into believing Gus poisoned Brock to frame him. It's a crazy plan

His plan to kill Gus is equally as crazy. Hector has to hate Gus enough to agree to blowing himself up, tyrus has to be watching the dea building, Gus has to hate Hector enough to walk into a trap after showing almost supernatural levels of paranoia to avoid the car bomb.

Yet it all falls into place. Walt is a good judge of a person

I wouldn't say ludicrous, more calculated with very high risk. Everyone acted essentially as Walt expected. Maybe I'm pulling stuff out of my ass but I think I can address all your concerns.

He then has the ricin cigarette lifted so Jesse thinks it was Walt so he would go and confront him.

I think this was a safe bet. What else would Walt expect Jesse to do in this situation? With only two people knowing about the ricin cigarette of course Jesse's first move would be to confront Walt. The risk was Jesse doing something before Walt could talk his way out of it.

He then hopes he can trick Jesse into believing Gus poisoned Brock to frame him.

This was a risk but not so great. Everything Walt said to convince him of this was reasonable and would make sense to Jesse.

Hector has to hate Gus enough to agree to blowing himself up

Worst that could happen was Hector saying no, but Walt would still have been able to manufacture something with the knowledge he had of the feud.

tyrus has to be watching the dea building

I would say its more likely Gus had people/some way of keeping tabs on Hector, due to what Hector knows and due to the feud. I imagine it was not a case of Tyrus just so happening to be watching the DEA building when Hector just so happened to pay it a visit. I'd say Hector leaving the nursing home was communicated to either Gus or Tyrus and Tyrus followed him.

Gus has to hate Hector enough to walk into a trap after showing almost supernatural levels of paranoia to avoid the car bomb.

By far the most important win condition in Walt's plan. This was the riskiest part of the whole thing. Gus' actions were in contrast to his usual behavior. Walt took a huge gamble in assuming that the feud was to a level that would override his common sense, his cautiousness and even those cray prediction skills. How easy would it have been for Gus to have Tyrus kill Hector and leave Walt's plan in tatters? Extremely easy. However, the gamble paid off and Walt won.

On tonight's episode I was very happy with it. So much quality in this show. I spotted Huell's (however its spelled) actions and as soon as I saw that I knew it was all coming to a head. I knew that Jesse would make the connection and it was the beginning of the end. Can't wait for next week.
 
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Tommax25

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Hang on hang on hang on

If he went to the trouble of lifting the ricin, why not use that on Brock instead of the Lily of the valley? Was the Lily essentially non-lethal and he only wanted to fool Jesse but not risk actually killing the kid?

A few reasons. One, ricin would be a death sentence for the kid and Walt didn't need that, only the kid to get sick, so why would he take the lethal option when there was another option with a better chance for the kid to survive? Two, when the tests came back on the kid showing it was ricin who would be the first person Jesse would assume had a hand in it? What action would he take? Too much of an unknown. Walt had to keep the knowledge of his involvement safe, and the best way to do so was using something that seems to be reasonably common to find in that area, but especially NOT to use something that Jesse would automatically and immediately link to Walt. Three, I believe ricin works too slowly for Walt's needs. From memory, wasn't it 48-72 hours later the person would die, and that time hadn't passed before the kid was in hospital. Time was a constraint, he may not have had the time left for the ricin to kick in and that was a risk he couldn't (and didn't need to) take.

In saying all this, I think Walt was willing to have the kid die for the sucess of this plan, but having the kid die was not a part of it, hence the decision to use lily and not ricin.
 
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Pete Cash

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I don't mind a good batmans gambit its just typical of Walt who is a rash risk taker who gets by on judging other people's emotions.

f**king fantastic episode I thought. Man this series has been so good
 

Springs

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f**king great. Exactly what I said I wanted to happen last week. All because of that asshole Mr White. Go Jesse.
 

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