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Breaking Bad

bileduct

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Go back and watch the episode and the emphasis that Jesse puts on there being absolutely no witnesses to the train heist when they brief Todd.

Edit: At least I am pretty sure it was Jesse who said. It may have been Mike or Walt, but my recollection is that it was Jesse. I'll have another look when I get home from work.
 
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HowHigh

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Yeah it was Jesse that said that nobody except them can ever find out about it
I wouldn't say it Jesse's fault but Todd was just trying to do right by them..even though the result was terrible
 

Springs

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If Walt really thought Jesse would do this then why wouldn't he just kill him like he did countless others who became a threat to him?

Walt has stuck his neck out time and time again for Jesse. He has manipulated him along the way, yes, but with the exception of poisoning Brock has he really done anything to anyone that didn't deserve it in some way?


So?

Maybe you missed the scene where, after being given multiple chances to leave town and smooth things over, Jesse delivers a threat down the phone to Walt?

And haven't you been watching Breaking Bad long enough to know that this show doesn't really telegraph it's punches? What are the chances that Walt's call to Todd involves something else other than Jesse being killed?


You don't know that. He may have had the gun for his own protection.

The whole point of the episode was to show that Walt, despite manipulating Jesse, genuinely cares for him and understands him almost as well as his own son. Look at his reaction to Skylar bringing it up (which in itself shows how far her character has regressed) and the fact that despite the creepy guy hanging around Walt actually did want to talk to Jesse and explain why he poisoned Brock.


Why?

Uh yeah, how did Mike deserve to die? Walt killed Mike simply because he damaged Walt's ego. Then Walt killed 9 guys to save his own skin. How is that not being a merkin?

And uh, you can't just say 'with the exception of poisoning Brock'. That one act makes him the biggest merkin on the show (okay not the biggest overall but of the major characters he is the biggest).

Leave town? Why should Jesse have to leave town? The only reason he was leaving town was for Walt. Jesse not leaving town doesn't make him the bad guy.

Yeah he had the gun for his own protection, but why have it if he wasn't okay with killing Jesse or at least wounding him? I didn't say he had it just to execute Jesse on the spot.

Yeah, Walt cares about Jesse, but since he was perfectly okay with poisoning someone Jesse loved, it's clear he doesn't care about him very much.

And if you don't know how Walt's a merkin then you haven't been watching the show. His whole development has been how he's gone from hero to anti-hero to full blown villain protagonist (aka merkin).

And the kid being killed being Jesse's fault is you just grasping for straws. If Todd thinks killing a child is what Jesse meant than he's the biggest f**kwit on the show. Todd was trying to do right by Jesse and Walt but that doesn't make him any less of a f**kwit. It's a kid ffs and he's a child murderer. Or did you miss the part how Jesse screamed at Todd not to shoot the damn kid?

And me saying Todd was a dick was a joke. My post was clearing a parody of umina panther's post. For someone who finds it funny how I defend Walking Dead you take my criticisms of Walt waaaaayyy too seriously.
 

bileduct

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Anyway, the only point I really care about arguing is that Todd shot the kid because he was told to.

He comes from a life of crime and he's hired to do a job. He is explicitly told by Jesse that no one can witness what happens. Nobody. He is than asked if he is sure that he understands by Walt.

This dialogue isn't just inserted into the show for no reason. When they then go and insert that same dialogue into the recap sequence of the next episode and immediately cut to Todd shooting the kid they are trying to make it obvious even to people like you.

The biggest theme of this show is unintended consequences and has been since episode one. The kid being shot is the unintended consequence of hiring a professional to work on a job and giving him explicit instructions that nobody at all can witness what they are doing.

Jesse yelling "no!" as Todd draws his gun is called dramatic effect.
 

Springs

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Uh, yeah and it's also called Jesse telling Todd not to shoot the damn kid! Unless you think he yelled 'no!' for no reason. Yes, Todd took what was said and took it way too far, because he's thick.

You say Mike deserved to die yet you think Walt isn't a merkin. Walt is a murderer. Does he deserve to die then? Since you think murderers deserve to die then they must at least be merkins right? Unless being a merkin = worse than being just a murderer somehow.
 

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You can argue Mike is a murderer... But what about Mike's guy in prison? We have no idea what any of them did, barring being a part of Gus's crime syndicate. Yet Walt was more than happy to brutally murder every last one of them without a second thought. He'd been trying to kill them for quite a while actually from the moment he found out they'd need to pay for their silence i.e. long before they became a threat to him and purely for financial gain.

Walt is a merkin. His wife has become mrs merkin. Pretty much every character in the show outside of Junior and a few choice DEA agents are merkins. Hank probably is the least merkiny of the main characters but he's started to become one while pursuing Walt
 

Springs

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The lawyer that was set on fire did nothing more than bank Mike's money didn't he?

Yeah I didn't like Hank saying he didn't care if Jesse died in the meet with Walt. But he's still the lesser merkin. Jesse has become less of a merkin since he killed Gale, while Walt has become more and more of a merkin with every season. Poisoned a kid, let Jane die, felt no guilt over Drew Sharp, arranged for the deaths of 10 people in 2 minutes and killed Mike for no good reason. That's not to mention all the lying and manipulation he's done, especially to his family, always putting the meth business first. Junior thinks his dad is a hero. It will be heartbreaking for him to find out about all the horrible things Walt has done.

Yeah, Walt's no merkin....
 

bileduct

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Uh, yeah and it's also called Jesse telling Todd not to shoot the damn kid! Unless you think he yelled 'no!' for no reason. Yes, Todd took what was said and took it way too far, because he's thick.
I'll just be repeating myself here, so refer to what I said previously.

You say Mike deserved to die yet you think Walt isn't a merkin. Walt is a murderer. Does he deserve to die then? Since you think murderers deserve to die then they must at least be merkins right? Unless being a merkin = worse than being just a murderer somehow.
What shit are you talking?

You're the one going on about Walt being a merkin and cheering on Jesse, on a show where just about every character on it is a merkin to some degree. Jesse shot Gale in the face as a "move", which I am pretty sure is a little more permanent than poisoning a kid.
 

Springs

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Okay so now you say everyone is a merkin when you asked me how Walt is a merkin before. Right.

Jesse shot Gale so they wouldn't kill Walt. He didn't want anything to do with it and asked Walt to go to the police instead. The only reason he killed Gale was out of loyalty and Walt repaid that with poisoning Brock. If you didn't notice, he's shown a little bit more remorse than Walt has since then. Jesse is nowhere near as bad as Walt and the only reason he got dragged into all this murdering shit was because of Walt. I cheer on Jesse because Walt's completely ruined his life and I want to see him get Walt back.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Everyone in this show is a merkin to some degree, some more than others. That being said I am pulling for Walt! With all the twists and turns in this show so far I can see the ending being a WTF moment, where Walt goes out on top.

Jesse seems way to paranoid for his own good. Did anyone else have the feeling that when hank was briefing jesse about wearing a wire to the meeting with Walt, he was going to turn jesse back onto Walt's side by saying he's the only one who cares about you, he saved your life paid for rehab etc. Can see a flashback happening showing jesse over hearing the part where hank says hes a junkie murderer and doesnt care if walt kills him at the meet. Could be an important scene in reuniting Walt and jesse. I don't know so many twists and turns that's just the feeling I get.
 

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