Brett Hodgson

[super_coach]

Junior Burger, Iam afraid he peaked about two years ago and has been on a rapid slide ever since.

Yeh, it would be great if in 2009 we saw JB produce the qualities that WESTIE has spoken about when he played for the camden rams under 8's, but folkes what we have in JB is a very good reserve grader and a back up 1st grader at best.

In the fullback rankings at our club he is well down the list and the wing rankings marginally higher. As I said last year I hope he dose prove me and many wrong and I dont doubt his ticker I just dont see him ever cutting the mustard as a 1st grader.

Now Hogo was a ledgen,but it was time for him to move on. Maybe he had another good year but I really think that it was time

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You're making a habit of missing the obvious lately.

I do all the time, just not on this.

Hodgo was our best back in 2008.

Only a genius would see otherwise.

Cue...you.

Hodgo is probably the best performing WT ever. Noel Kelly went alright as well... but that doesn't mean we should have him in the team.

So, is Noel Kelly still playing age?

That is the stupidest thing you've ever said, and you had a lot to beat.

Hodgo was getting past it, which is why he went to an average SL team.

So, he didn't go for the money?

Players don't go to sh*t/average teams for the money?

So Asotasi went to Souths for the "challenge"?

Idiot.

But as I said, the whole point was that he was used poorly in our system and became the main man because of injured footballers (but you wouldn't change anything).

He was never supposed to be the main man. He was the fullback who put in when others didn't....

Collis, Benji and Farah... arguably the three most naturally talented players in our stocks have been massively f**ked over by being played injured or when they weren't ready. But I spose that doesn't matter, because we won a premiership on the one occasion they were all fit together.

Farah wasn't near his best last year because of his back, Collis was almost a waste of space and Benji spent most of 2008 trying to find his confidence.

Hodgo was there, playing as well as always.

You downgrading anything that bloke has done is a pretty severe indictment of you as a sub-human.

He is a legend, you are a gimp.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Junior Burger, Iam afraid he peaked about two years ago and has been on a rapid slide ever since.

Yeh, it would be great if in 2009 we saw JB produce the qualities that WESTIE has spoken about when he played for the camden rams under 8's, but folkes what we have in JB is a very good reserve grader and a back up 1st grader at best.

In the fullback rankings at our club he is well down the list and the wing rankings marginally higher. As I said last year I hope he dose prove me and many wrong and I dont doubt his ticker I just dont see him ever cutting the mustard as a 1st grader.

Now Hogo was a ledgen,but it was time for him to move on. Maybe he had another good year but I really think that it was time

It would have been his time to move on if we had a replacement whose surname wasn't McDonnell.

Does anyone believe that Mcdonnell won't be in the starting line-up come round 1 (barring injury), probably at fullback?

Another year or two of Hodgo or that spastic....

No contest.

 

[Marshall_magic]

It would have been his time to move on if we had a replacement whose surname wasn't McDonnell.

Does anyone believe that Mcdonnell won't be in the starting line-up come round 1 (barring injury), probably at fullback?

Another year or two of Hodgo or that spastic....

No contest.

I believe he won't be. I know Sheens has made some moronic moves over the past few seasons, but surely he knows that McDonnell is awful. I would be very very surprised if he made the side.

 

[Tommax25]

no .... no sorry he had his chance and done f all .. slowest man in league

covell

 

[Tommax25]

westie, i agree with you on a lot of players however i dont see how you can possibly say mcdonnells time in first grade has been anything apart from miserable.

in 2004/2005 i was lucky enough to have the time to attend quiet a few flegg and pl games. i saw mcdonnell tear up teams at will on many occassions and was very excited about his future prospects.

however despite one or two games in his 30 odd first grade career he has consistently been the worst player on the park and had a big hand in us losing. in 2007 i seriously believe he single handedly lost us games against the titans and broncos. on the odd occassion he catches the ball he either a) slips over or b) dances around before the line and gets driven 5 meters backwards.

his position play as fullback is terrible. he is as unsafe under the highball as he is gathering a grubber.

the blokes one saving grace is that he apparently is lightning quick, yet three times last year he was in space only to be run down by preston campbell, cameron ciraldo and pj marsh. with pj marsh all he had to do was a simple draw and pass for a try to ultimately would have won us the game, but he was unable to achieve this.

to put it bluntly there is not aspect of his game that is up to first grade standard. yes ive seen carve up lower grades aswell, but i also saw joven clarke do this.

you say he hasnt been the same since the wiki incident? i disagree, he was as crap before that as he is now.

if he miracuously transforms into even an average first grader, no one will be happier then me. but it wont make anybody on here wrong, as it wont take away from the fact that his first three years in first grade have been completely sub standard.

his contract expires at the end of this year, how many clubs do you honestly think will be chasing him? i honestly dont think one will. it will more then likely be off to union or jim beam cup for jb.

we've had some absolute duds as backs in our ten years but i would glady take nbq, ohalloran, clayton or milton over jb of the last 3 years any day of the week. yes they were crap but at least they had one or two aspects that were up to first grade standard.

is that THE Trent Clayton? I loved him at Penrith until he had one of the worst individual performances I've ever seen in a game of league.

 

[Tommax25]

Cmon Westies you can do better then that mate.

"Fatty"

"Real Life Teams" Can you explain to me who falls under this criteria? Arsenal would have to be borderline surely given their record over the past 4 seasons?

I think you are getting Lampard confused with Anelka. Anelka is the master of coming on and scoring a goal when Chelsea are already 2 or 3 up. I seem to remember goals from Lampard in CL Finals Semi Finals and many big PL games over the years.

Anyway, lets not get too side tracked. IM glad we have the best young fullback in the world for his age in our ranks.

lachlan coote is/was better.

 

[Tommax25]

How many games did we win with Hodgo running the show. I'm gunna go for the big "0". I'm clearly not the only one who saw it.

Benji hardly played football for a few years. If getting chucked in helped him in anyway then I'm not here. Benji did all those things, despite being f**ked around, not because he sat on his arse for years on end.


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Nick, I don't think he's ever shown much in FG. But I don't believe I've ever said that. There's just a couple of twatters here who get caught up in a fantasy land.

One even thinks Lampard is fit to lace Gerrards boots for f**ks sake (although fatty did manage a goal against a real-life, half decent premier league team, before the score was already 20-0 the other day).

I'm just hopeful that eventually some of that potential might be realised.

McDonnell did his ribs in NZ before he'd really had a chance, so that's a bit of a moot point.

His pace did seem to have gone and I thought it was all over mid-way through last year, but in that Broncos game where he f**ked the chance after a nice break, he showed the acceleration anyone who has bothered to watch him when he was fit knows he (at least used to) possess.

It's pointless playing him on the wing. It's not his go. The second he gets the ball he trys to get back to the middle where he is comfortable.

The dancing thing he is criticised for was what lead to his breaks half the time (coincidentally how and where he made that nice break against the Broncs before getting injured). It just isn't the game out-wide.

It's as silly as playing someone like preston campbell on the wing. They're too small to work with a sideline, and are at their best making slower forwards look out of place.

I suppose the real point here is, hardly anyone actually watches the lower grades and thus cannot grasp the concept of potential ability. f**k, i've actually read at least 10 people suggest Davidson should play FG front row this year. I bet 90% haven't ever seen him play 80 mins.

I'm hoping Macca can get his sh*t into gear because he was far and away the best fullback for his age in the world.

lachlan coote is/was better, as above.

 

[rupertpupkin]

I believe he won't be. I know Sheens has made some moronic moves over the past few seasons, but surely he knows that McDonnell is awful. I would be very very surprised if he made the side.

I don't think Sheens is really that interested. He is in Alchemist mode. Tinkering with personal "visions", "challenges", and attempts at backing up some grandiose pronouncement that he made in front of other Coaches at some do or other, about how he can make some hooker or 3/4 into a Half, or some backrower or centre into a prop. I suspect that Sheens is far less interested in the team, and much more focused on what is going on with certain players, and what he is planning on doing with them, to impress the hell out of everybody with his amazing "starmaker" powers.

You'd think Sheens would know by now that Morris is awful. But here we are. I agree that McDonnell will likely be the Fullback in 09. Apparently it has been announced that Marshall is indeed going to be #7, and Lawrence will be 5/8. Because... well, dammit, the supercoach thinks it's going to be awesome.

So that means the likely 1-6-7-9 will be: McDonnell-Lawrence-Marshall-Farah. But don't fret. Should Sheens' vision be thwarted through the fault of somebody else, there is always Morris at Halfback to fall back on. Fantastic!

 

[innsaneink]

I don't think Sheens is really that interested. He is in Alchemist mode. Tinkering with personal "visions", "challenges", and attempts at backing up some grandiose pronouncement that he made in front of other Coaches at some do or other, about how he can make some hooker or 3/4 into a Half, or some backrower or centre into a prop. I suspect that Sheens is far less interested in the team, and much more focused on what is going on with certain players, and what he is planning on doing with them, to impress the hell out of everybody with his amazing "starmaker" powers.

You'd think Sheens would know by now that Morris is awful. But here we are. I agree that McDonnell will likely be the Fullback in 09. Apparently it has been announced that Marshall is indeed going to be #7, and Lawrence will be 5/8. Because... well, dammit, the supercoach thinks it's going to be awesome.

So that means the likely 1-6-7-9 will be: McDonnell-Lawrence-Marshall-Farah. But don't fret. Should Sheens' vision be thwarted through the fault of somebody else, there is always Morris at Halfback to fall back on. Fantastic!

That quite an imagination you have there

 

[Magpie Nick]

A few things:

Gallant is with Wests and very much in the running for 1, as are two other blokes.

To anyone who has been saying that either Fullback or 5/8 have been decided - go and tell Sheens that please, he's still unsure at this stage.

There's only really three spots in the Backline that have been decided.

 

[Marshall_magic]

A few things:

Gallant is with Wests and very much in the running for 1, as are two other blokes.

To anyone who has been saying that either Fullback or 5/8 have been decided - go and tell Sheens that please, he's still unsure at this stage.

There's only really three spots in the Backline that have been decided.

I think for Sheens, the trials can't come quickly enough. So many options for the 1, 6 and 7. It will definitely be the most important pre-season for the club in quite some time, with the best performers getting a leg up for round 1.

However I would have only decided on 2 spots for the backline.

4. Lawrence
5. Ryan

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

A few things:

Gallant is with Wests and very much in the running for 1, as are two other blokes.

To anyone who has been saying that either Fullback or 5/8 have been decided - go and tell Sheens that please, he's still unsure at this stage.

There's only really three spots in the Backline that have been decided.

Thank f**k for that. Cheers.

I hadn't heard anything but figured as he wasn't in our top 25 that he was no hope. I can't understand why the problem, Gallant, when he filled in for Hodgo, had excellent games each and every time. I've seen plenty of PL games where Shannon has absolutely carved up the opposition.

All I want to not hear in our starting 13 are the names Morris and McDonnell.... I could handle Morris on the bench though.

 

[westie]

I do all the time, just not on this.

Hodgo was our best back in 2008.

Only a genius would see otherwise.

Cue...you.



So, is Noel Kelly still playing age?

That is the stupidest thing you've ever said, and you had a lot to beat.



So, he didn't go for the money?

Players don't go to sh*t/average teams for the money?

So Asotasi went to Souths for the "challenge"?

Idiot.



He was never supposed to be the main man. He was the fullback who put in when others didn't....



Farah wasn't near his best last year because of his back, Collis was almost a waste of space and Benji spent most of 2008 trying to find his confidence.

Hodgo was there, playing as well as always.

You downgrading anything that bloke has done is a pretty severe indictment of you as a sub-human.

He is a legend, you are a gimp.

You know how you feel about the people in the fight club?

That's how I feel about you. A brick wall would take more in if i banged my head against it all day.

I never said he wasn't our best back. I said, because he was so dominant, we lost most of our football matches. That is quite simply undeniable.

Noel Kelly is not playing age, that is the whole point. Hodgo is also past it. I can't make it anymore simple than that.

Regarding injured players; are you trying to prove my points?

 

[westie]

Thinking about the halves lately. Ignoring the fact that it's criminal we only have one, it may not be a bad idea to play Benji at half.

He SHOULD be 5/8th, as that is his position, but if we are going to have to play Morris and Benji, then Morris should be free to float with Benji getting more touches. Morris is the sorta player that would go alright playing his own game with no responsibility... I'm just not sure if our other key men are good enough to give him the chance to do so.

 

[madunit]

Morris is a hooker, hell play him as a back up centre, just keep him out of the halves.

He's a handy defender, he's pretty good from dummy half, being a centre wouldn't be a bad thing considering the lack of any form of defence in our backs (admittedly Lawrence's defence improved massively in 2008, but it was in detriment to his attack)

If we can fix up some defensive weaknesses in the backline, maybe we can make it harder for teams to score points against us. Put him inside a big winger (be it Tagive or Tuiaki)

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You know how you feel about the people in the fight club?

You want to root them?

Who gives a flying f**k you terminal wally.

That's how I feel about you. A brick wall would take more in if i banged my head against it all day.

LOL

If you read TFC, which you obviously do, you'll know of a bloke we call Turdy. He can barely speak English, yet he makes more sense than you.

I never said he wasn't our best back. I said, because he was so dominant, we lost most of our football matches. That is quite simply undeniable.

I know what you were saying and I also know it was bollocks.

We lost matches because players didn't put in or weren't good enough.

Hodgo wasn't one of those players.

Noel Kelly is not playing age, that is the whole point. Hodgo is also past it. I can't make it anymore simple than that.

Hodgo is anything but past it.

He doesn't go from our best back in 2008 to "should be retired" in round one of 2009.

Regarding injured players; are you trying to prove my points?

You seem to think that because Benji and Robbie were both crook for long parts of 2008, Hodgo lost us games because he stepped up...

That is just simply a load of horse c**k.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Thinking about the halves lately. Ignoring the fact that it's criminal we only have one, it may not be a bad idea to play Benji at half.

He SHOULD be 5/8th, as that is his position, but if we are going to have to play Morris and Benji, then Morris should be free to float with Benji getting more touches. Morris is the sorta player that would go alright playing his own game with no responsibility... I'm just not sure if our other key men are good enough to give him the chance to do so.

Morris is sh*t in any role that requires playmaking. He is incapable of doing anything to get a team heading the right way.

Back-up Hooker is all he is capable of handling.

 

[westie]

Go and have a lie down gramps. You've lost it.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

So, Hodgo lost us plenty of games last season and Morris should be given a roving role because he's a good player when playing without responsibility...

Who's lost it?

:lol: