Brian Smith must be sacked RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[wittyz chick]

I wont defend Smithy but for all the people that thought Jamie had a bad game I'll defend Jamie.
He (in the 1st half when we were thrashed) was on the left hand side of the field now his partner was Wise Kateverata (or whatever) and that was it...Jamie was screaming at his teammates for help but it always came too late...most of the tries ended up comming on the left hand side because Jamie was always left marking 2-3 players while Wise just ran straight to the sideline and they ran past him :evil: if he plays next week they will run at him and he will let them past...put Jamie and Grothe together then thats an unstoppable combination

 

[strider]

Matt Peterson was on Sonny Bill Willams

Jamie Lyon was on Willie Tonga

This is for you Strider.

Both had poor games....but Sonny Bill was walking all over Peterson it made me cringe.

Yes - Matt Peterson marked up on Sonny Bill.....correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I am aware the players move around on the field and it would probably be the responsibility of "whoever" Sonny Bill runs at to tackle the bugger - ie Vella when Sonny stolled past him like he wasn't there.

I know Peterson isn't a great defender and yes he was crap in defense like most of teh team, but I don't think he should take all the blame for Sonny's performance - I think most the Parra boys struggled to put him down at some point.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

There was nothing wrong with the "defensive pattern" - it was the lack of commitment in defense that set the doggies free......and the players have to take most of the responsibility for that.....it'll be Smithies job to give em hell this week for playing touch footy.

Smith came up with that ingenius Defensive Pattern that partnered Adam Dykes and Matt Petersen together.

Smith is in charge of the Recruitment and Retention of players. So he came up with the players he wanted and the ones he wanted to let go and also the ones he wanted to keep.

Smith picks a team that doesnt have a Half-Back. Sure Dykes was in the number 7, but he still played like he was still playing at Five-Eighth. We looked disorganised. Strangely enough, that happens when you dont have anyone in your 'organisers' position

Smith plays a player at Five-Eighth who is not capable of passing a ball, which ensures that our Centre's never get the ball

Smith is in charge of motivation of the team and the players that leaves to the lack of commitment in defence. Defence is all about ATTITUDE. This Club once had a catch cry in 2001 known as PARRAMATTITUDE. I ask, what ever happened to this PARRAMATTIUDE

Smith is in charge of our attacking game plan. Yes, he buys bigger players, anyone can buy bigger players. But he is trying to play one out football and have bigger players to run over the top of players that are only slightly smaller than our 'bigger players'. This is NRL first grade not an Under 13 Club football game. The size and speed of the players is not the only ingredient to winning.

Smith is responsible for alot more, but for how much longer is anyone's guess!!!

Well said!

You brought up good points in reagrds to our recruitment & retention policy's.....many people don't remember he is in charge of this.

I heard Brian in an interview talk about how they had worked alot on defense in the Off Season??.....well they must of only talked about it.

 

[strider]

You are blaming Smithy for the personel.....yes, it is his job - I'm sure he has made mistakes in this department and probably has some regrets....but a few things:

- Smithy hired Cannings and Stapleton who most people here agreed played, not great (no one was), but they played ok.

- The general concensus last season is that Hopkins was one of our best - Smithy hired him too....now Hoppy had a pretty poor game tonight (not the only one) and suddenly Smithy hired a dud.

- If Smithy is incharge of all hiring/firing then I guess he brought Eric Grothe back to the club - didn't u give him a pat on the back too

 

[wittyz chick]

how they had worked alot on defense in the Off Season??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: your joking right

 

[half]

hey chipmunk, parramattitude seems to be a watered-down version of normal attitude. WHERE WAS THE HEART AND PASSION? maybe in the crowd, but i couldn't see it on the field!

 

[Ron Jeremy]

how they had worked alot on defense in the Off Season??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: your joking right

Sorry but it's true....in a couple of interviews aswell.

 

[wittyz chick]

Strider...point is of course Eric would come back!!!!!!
HE NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE IN THE 1ST PLACE
and I will not pat Smithy on the back for Eric's performance...before he left everyone knew Eric had potential that was obvious...he went to the Roosters and learnt alot about discipline and all that stuff and he is showing it at parra
so if I pat anyone on the back for Eric it would be either
1) Eric Jnr (the man himself)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2) Ricky Stuart and John Cartwright (who worked very close wid Eric while at the Roosters)
3) Eric Snr...he taught Eric alot as a kid!!!!

 

[Chipmunk]

You are blaming Smithy for the personel.....yes, it is his job - I'm sure he has made mistakes in this department and probably has some regrets....but a few things:

- Smithy hired Cannings and Stapleton who most people here agreed played, not great (no one was), but they played ok.

- The general concensus last season is that Hopkins was one of our best - Smithy hired him too....now Hoppy had a pretty poor game tonight (not the only one) and suddenly Smithy hired a dud.

- If Smithy is incharge of all hiring/firing then I guess he brought Eric Grothe back to the club - didn't u give him a pat on the back too

Cannings, Stapleton and Grothe played well tonight. Stapleton played no better than what Heckinberg would have done.

I support the purchase of Cannings and Grothe.

Kativerata, Pearson were ordinary and were ordinary buys.

Hopkins is a fringe first grader that I would never have kept ahead of a player like Solomona.

We paid alot of money for Morris and keep stuffing around with him. What did this player do well at when he played at Newcastle.....Coming off the bench.

Why buy Dunley in the first place and then get rid of him after one season? We now have a 'solid' Centre as our 'spark' from the bench. Go Figure

I could go on about players being let go from previous seasons.

Why sign Dean Widders for 1 season if u keep him in Premier League? Let him go if u arent going to use him?

Why sign Witt for 4 years and put him back in Premier League after he ran the team around the field all last season?

Why buy a player from half way across the world and stick him on the bench for Premier League?

I think we just need to start again as far as the recruitment and retention is concerned. I would have Hindmarsh, Lyon and one more year for Cayless to fire. But as for the rest, we keep buying non performing players from one club so they can not perform at Parra. Smith has said, he will only now buy off the shelf. Well, buy class, not Premier League players.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I'd rather by 2-3 class players then by a dozen fringe first graders.

 

[Misty Bee]

Strider, I guess you have never seen Parra play for the last few seaons,nor the seasons bvefore when they blew all and sundry away. For that I will forgive you.

But GP, for you to waltz in and bag this forum for not being a Brian Smith suckholes website like you want it to be is poor form. We do not delete people whose posts or ideas we don't like, unlike that Brian Smith fantasy land that you obviously prefer where we once met (and you disaapeared from because you couldn't handle the truth about your failed boyfriend then).

I am sure you are on the wrong site. For "Brian Smith is god and never does wrong" type posts (and other posts from the Tolkein side of Football fantasy) post at Parraeels.com. To abuse people at will, try rleague.com. However, to speak to the majority of Parra fans on the net, in a totally rational environment, you are welcome here

Otgherwise, if you are so rapt in brian Smith and what he churned up tonight,I suggest you change your name to GoBulldogs.

 

[Agent Mulder]

Did anyone see the game on Fox or go to the game? Every time they showed a shot of Smith who he got booed!! Bring It On! He must go!

Yeah i was there they flashed his mug up the big screen like 5 times in 20 minutes and he was booed very heavily.

I was booing as well hehe.

 

[Agent Mulder]

You are blaming Smithy for the personel.....yes, it is his job - I'm sure he has made mistakes in this department and probably has some regrets....but a few things:

- Smithy hired Cannings and Stapleton who most people here agreed played, not great (no one was), but they played ok.

- The general concensus last season is that Hopkins was one of our best - Smithy hired him too....now Hoppy had a pretty poor game tonight (not the only one) and suddenly Smithy hired a dud.

- If Smithy is incharge of all hiring/firing then I guess he brought Eric Grothe back to the club - didn't u give him a pat on the back too

Cannings, Stapleton and Grothe played well tonight. Stapleton played no better than what Heckinberg would have done.

I support the purchase of Cannings and Grothe.

Kativerata, Pearson were ordinary and were ordinary buys.

Hopkins is a fringe first grader that I would never have kept ahead of a player like Solomona.

We paid alot of money for Morris and keep stuffing around with him. What did this player do well at when he played at Newcastle.....Coming off the bench.

Why buy Dunley in the first place and then get rid of him after one season? We now have a 'solid' Centre as our 'spark' from the bench. Go Figure

I could go on about players being let go from previous seasons.

Why sign Dean Widders for 1 season if u keep him in Premier League? Let him go if u arent going to use him?

Why sign Witt for 4 years and put him back in Premier League after he ran the team around the field all last season?

Why buy a player from half way across the world and stick him on the bench for Premier League?

I think we just need to start again as far as the recruitment and retention is concerned. I would have Hindmarsh, Lyon and one more year for Cayless to fire. But as for the rest, we keep buying non performing players from one club so they can not perform at Parra. Smith has said, he will only now buy off the shelf. Well, buy class, not Premier League players.

Mate very well said...I've never rated Pearson or Wise Kraptiva and tonight i was proved right.

Im still trying to work out why we let go Dunley and Solomana...Dunley was like a 2nd Drew for us.

Other players we should never of let go was PJ Marsh and Mark Tookey,We can sit here and cried untill the cows come home saying "OH the big bad Warriors stole them from us!" Of course Marsh was gonna leave and play under a BETTER coach at the Warriors...you can forget those two they'll never come back to Parramatta...What about when Marsh left...But Steve Witt is better then Marsh anyway is what i heard from some people...Where is Witt now? in F*CKING Newcastle!!!!

I thought Smith was great for bringing 1st grade fringe players to the club and turning their carrers around like Drew,Peek,Taylor,Dunley etc etc but now he is shooting himself in the foot as its just not working anymore.

 

[varion]

I think Smith likes guys with discipline. Thats why he gets rid of and or is happy to lose the "nigglers" like:

Dunley, PJ Marsh etc

I think deep down smith is the conservative sort of coach who wont think outside the square. He prefers quirky changes which work some of the time or fail miserably. His game plan is based upon no penaltys, lots of dummy half play whereas sides like the Dogs, Penrith, Roosters etc play a very creative expansive game. We dont have many dangerous players in our side unfortunately.

Sometimes the niggling sort of players have the fiery temperament we need and thats why we are considered softby other teams. No one to take a stand when things get tough. Sure they may concede penalties now and again but we need guys who bust a gut and give their all.

He seems to also like bigger taller style wingers and thats why we let go of guys like Donald who are too skinny.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

If anyone had bothered to read my posts they would have seen that i didn't like the team from the start. And that i thought it would most likely not be successful tonight.

Look, we have a damn good team, but the best players need to be picked. I knew fromt he start that this "Bulk Up" policy wasn't the right way to go - simply because Smithy was letting other people dictate how our team was going to play the game.

Like it or not, no other team won more games than us in the second half of last season, when we had our full squad on the paddock. We should have kept that team, guys like Dunley and Heckenberg, and given them a hopefully full season injury free together to play the way they did throughout the back end of last year, when we at least ahd a dig.

Tonight's "Big" team was just too slow to deal with guys like Thurston and Sherwin, and on the flip side they didn't even get the forward domination that their increased size gave them a chance to get. Cut down on the overload of props and bring some speed and skill back in to the team.

The poor choice of team line-up was definately Smithy's error, but for all those crying about the likes of Witt and Widders, word is they had less than stellar games in the lower grades yesterday.

We lost the game tonight when they decided to go for goal instead of putting the heat on the Dogs line early in the first half. We could have been 6-0 up but soon after Tonga scored and we were 0-6 down and it all went to hell from there.

But at last there are some positives from tonight, as well as some lessons that needed to be learned the hard way. Play Burty on the wing where he excels. Play Vaeliki at centre, or if Smithy persists as having him as a benchie play grothe in the centres and Muzza on the wing. Dykes is a champion when fit. Cannings and Stapleton could be very handy. Switch Vella and Cayless around. Wags NEEDS to play lock.

As much as we are all very peeved right now, it is only round one and there is a long way to go. Let's just hope Smithy picks a more sensible team next week and we will have a good chance. If he feels the need to have a bit of the swing with the axe, play Grushka and/or O'Dwyer. Have a back rower on the bench, two forwards and a utility half.

All is far from lost.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think Smith likes guys with discipline. Thats why he gets rid of and or is happy to lose the "nigglers" like:

Dunley, PJ Marsh etc

I think deep down smith is the conservative sort of coach who wont think outside the square. He prefers quirky changes which work some of the time or fail miserably. His game plan is based upon no penaltys, lots of dummy half play whereas sides like the Dogs, Penrith, Roosters etc play a very creative expansive game. We dont have many dangerous players in our side unfortunately.

Sometimes the niggling sort of players have the fiery temperament we need and thats why we are considered softby other teams. No one to take a stand when things get tough. Sure they may concede penalties now and again but we need guys who bust a gut and give their all.

He seems to also like bigger taller style wingers and thats why we let go of guys like Donald who are too skinny.

Everything Smith has ever done is a contradiction to himself. He has obviously got a set against players with a bit of spark coming off the bench. Like sure he will buy them, but then when they continue to show the spark he wants to let them go (ie - Drew, Marsh, Moran, Dunley).

Sure I am a fan of the disciplined approach too, but there is knowone that you would really call those 4 players undisciplined.

We have simply become a transit lounge since the 2001 seasaon. All Clubs that have had that kind of buying and selling policy never go well. There is no problem with buying players and I am all for it. Just stick with them for a few years, instead of turning them over all the time. Like how many players have we turned over since the 2001 season????

 

[Parraren]

I read your post HJ and I think I recall you saying earlier in the week "do I think it will work? no" about the starting line up. Like myself you were just excited to see the boys after a long offseason and you weren't that fussed about the line-up. You were willing to let Smith run his little "experiment" and see what the results would be. Well the results are in. They are not good.

You've been very loyal to Smithy and you've been a big supporter of his, but I think even you'd have to admit that he needs to produce the results this year or else stand aside. He's got the players he wanted, we are injury free and he's had the whole offseason to get things right. I'm willing to give him until round 4 HJ what about you?

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

round 6-ish

Look, we have had a massive turnover of personael, and there was no way that they were gonna gel after a few trial games. No excuse for the flogging tonight but it is understandable in a way.

Experiment again next week, with some different players and maybe positionings, and cop another loss if we have to.

Round 3 try to learn fromt he first two games and pick a finalised-ish sorta team. Stick with them for a month no matter what, and give them a chance to gel. 2 from 6 is not what we want but its no disaster either, and 3 from 6 is more than acceptable. If we have to cop this in order to get a good sense of team going, then this is what has to be done. No sense whinging and complaining, as that will get nobody anywhere.

Tonight was an experiment - and it failed. but any logical person knows that failures give as much needed information as successes, and the season has 25 more weeks to go. Look for thelong term solution, and where we want to be and what we want to have achieved as a team at both mid-point and seasons end. be willing to make the sacrifices we need to in order to get there, and those will come in the first quarter of the season and may come in the form of lost games.

Don't panic, but always be mindful of what worked and what didn't - and there were examples of both of those tonight.

With such a new squad, patience and insight are the key, not spluttering insults and derogatory comments. We have a long way to go, and tonight could very well be one of the most important steps we take in the year in terms of lessons learnt. Let's hope those at the Club can keep their heads on their shoulders and make the right calls over thenext few weeks.

 

[Parraren]

Don't panic, but always be mindful of what worked and what didn't - and there were examples of both of those tonight.

This is exactly the thing that scares me the most about our coach. He is always trying to re-invent the wheel, examples:

1) Muzza & Vaealiki wing/centre combo worked last year, worked bloody very well - this year Muzza's (for some inexplicable reason) in the centres & Dave's on the bloody bench. Wtf? :shock:

2) Last year Witty was our saviour and our halfback and was starting to show glimpses of class next to a fit Dykes at 5/8th - This year Witty's not good enough for first grade and Dykes is now a halfback. Wtf? :shock:

3) Last year we used a zippy dummy half off the bench to spark our attack (Dunley) which was always dangerous - This year we have 3 props & a centre (who should be starting) on the bench. Wtf? :shock:

It just makes no sense HJ. I was worried when I saw the team, but I thought just MAYBE [-o< Smithy's got some master plan or he's been working on something in the offseason. Well it all went to sh!t. Stick with what works dear Brian, please for the love of God!

Just a side note HJ, I saw you walking on the platfrom at Olympic Park Station and you were looking very despondent indeed amongst the tribal drum beating bulldog supporters in the background 8)

 

[Eelementary]

Is this what you wanted to hear?

I was going to support Smith. But that was unacceptable:

1. Burt - AWFUL, bloody awful. Maybe it's cos he hasn't played too much First Grade, but he was bad.


2. Kativerata - AWFUL defence, OK attack. Petersen MUST be placed here.


3. Lyon - OK; not his best game (Kat deserted him a lot in D); didn't look dangerous with ball


4. Petersen - tried hard; did OK; I wish he would have tried to take Williams on more on his own instead of committing wingers


5. Grothe - dropped a few, but great effort. Dangerous in attack, solid in defence.


6. WAgon - WAY BELOW PAR. Defence was bad; attack was hard but made no ground


7. Dykes - tried very hard and (considering his useless forwards gave him nothing to work with) looked great; made a few great try-saving tackles too


8. Pearson - good first 5 minutes and that's it; below par


9. Morris - solid; did well as a creative kicker in attack; tried hard


10. Vella - see Pearson; PATHETIC


11. Hindmarsh - pains me to say this, but he only pulled his finger out in the second half; VERY DISAPPOINTING (then again, it's be nice if for once Hindy doesn't carry the team)


12. Cayless - disappointing; a few good hit-ups and tackles and a few good offloads; tries hard; nothing brilliant


13. Hopkins - quiet game; tried hard as always in defence; didn't get too much in attack


14. Vaealiki - dropped a few, but looked better marking up against SBW; OK game by him


15. Stapleton - I was pleased; good effort; solid defence and nice metres


16. Armit - I didn't see much or any of him


17. Cannings - EASILY our best attacker; dropped a few, but the Dogs struggled to contain him; pretty pleased


One thing - I will not judge them on this single performance too harshly. But awful. Shame, shame, shame. (BTW I left to go to a mate's B-Day part with about 25 minutes left of the match; not because we were getting flogged, but because I was expected there at that time)