rugby13france-livrade+sav said:Calixte,
my understanding is you are an international lawyer, specialist in French laws: civil, commercial, sports, banking, constitutionnal, penal, consummers, financial, customs, associative, ....
- What is the statute of the sport federations in France ?
- What is the statute of the sport clubs in France ?
- what is the statute of the National Technical Director ?, of the Regional Technical Advisors ?, of the Departemental Technical Advisors ? in the French sport federations
Is US Villeneuve.13 a branch ? or a subsidiary ? of the FFR.13, or an independant NGO ?
in aug. 2004 US Villeneuve.13 fell in bankruptcy, why to avoid the bankruptcy the FFR.13 didn't take in charge the debts of the club ?
Is AS Carcassonne.13 a branch ? or a subsidiary ? of the FFR.13, or an independant NGO ? or an independant EUSRL ?
in sept. 2007 AS Carcassonne.13 EUSRL fell in bankruptcy,
- why to avoid the bankruptcy the FFR.13 didn't take in charge the debts of the club ?,
- why to avoid the bankruptcy the AS Carcassonne.13 NGO didn't take in charge the debts of the club AS Carcassonne.13 EUSRL ?
In France, the properties of the clubs are they the properties of their respective federations ?
In France on my knowledge only 1 rugby stadium is private, is this stadium the property of the Stade Toulousain RU ?, or the property of the multi-sport club Stade Toulousain ?, or the property of the NGO "Les Amis du Stade Toulousain" ?, or the property of a company/several companies like EDF or Total or Bouygues or EADS or IBM or .... ?
In Perpignan,
- for the stadium Gilbert Brutus, who is the Owner and Lessor ? who is the Lessee and Occupant ?
- for the stadium Aimé Giral, who is the Owner and Lessor ? who is the Lessee and Occupant ?
In Paris,
- for the stadium Parc des Princes, who is the Owner and Lessor ? who is the Lessee and Occupant ?
- for the stadium Jean Bouin, who is the Owner and Lessor ? who is the Lessee and Occupant ?
In Villeneuve,
- for the stadium Robert de la Myre Mory, who is the Owner and lessor (simple Convention of Mise à disposition and use) ? who is/are the lessee(s) (right of disposition and use) and occupant(s) ?
Perhaps in Australia
RL clubs and stadiums are the properties of the ARL,
same thing for clubs and stadiums of your other sport federations.
Calixte as your are very fluent in French, you know this:
"Pas plus sourd que celui qui veut pas voir, Pas plus aveugle que celui qui veut pas entendre, Savoir faire l'âne pour avoir du son ou, Savoir faire du son pour avoir l'âne ou, Savoir faire l'âne pour savoir faire du son ou, Savoir faire du son pour savoir faire l'âne ".
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Your madness is disconcerting at times, jpds!
I am very conversant with the structure of French sport and I recently spent some quality time in the south with French luminaries of the game.
There is no doubt that:-
- French rugby league was harshly treated as a result of rugby union influence during the Second World War;
- that has had a major impact on the development of rugby league in France, particularly as no proper recognition or compensation has occurred;
- rugby union has continued to use available political influence, amongst other things, to hamper the development of rugby league in France (much of this is difficult to pinpoint due to the very nature of the interference); and
- some co-operation has occurred between the codes in France, but this is significantly in the minority.
As for your French quote, all I can say is, "une description très équitable d'entre vous..."