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Mr Red

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We have 16 days off to fix this.

Lol...
Not sure where you have been the last 2.5 years, but what we saw on friday isn't something new that's just happened ...
It's been an issue for over 2 years and Price simply isn't good enough to fix it..
 

DUB888

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Lol...
Not sure where you have been the last 2.5 years, but what we saw on friday isn't something new that's just happened ...
It's been an issue for over 2 years and Price simply isn't good enough to fix it..

Exactly!!!!!!!!
 

GT0007

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Lol...
Not sure where you have been the last 2.5 years, but what we saw on friday isn't something new that's just happened ...
It's been an issue for over 2 years and Price simply isn't good enough to fix it..

I wasn't referring to Friday Red as I'm aware this has been a problem last year as well. I've commented over the last few weeks on it but it serves little purpose going back in time about a problem that should be fixed now and can be fixed in 16 days except just to ask the question why hasn't it? Of course it is the coaching staff but I don't think you can directly contribute that only to Price, we have a defensive coach and he is either ineffective or the players aren't following direction. It may very well be a problem with the wrestling coach but Price should and I'm sure is asking questions. Prices problem where we are concerned is he stands by his players and coaching staff in terms of media, what goes on behind closed doors may be a different matter. I'm sure it will be a difficult thing for him to sack Albert but either we fix the ruck before next game or Albert has to go and maybe its Doust that should be stepping in here. I can't see Price being dumped until there is no chance we can make the 8 if at all but I don't see why the defensive coach shouldnt be held accountable. In summation we would all be happier focusing on the things that can be changed instead of bashing our head against a wall with the slice Price mentality as it won't happen.

In addition this goes way back to the Bennett era as well, we rarely won the ruck but we did somehow manage to have great line speed early in the count and otherwise rarely missed tackles and had the best goal line defense I've ever seen. The difference is we rarely got penalized as we were one of the protected few teams and clearly we are not now. Another big difference is we had Sowards kicking game to counter and when he was off we lost due to not winning the ruck. Also the game speed has increased and so has the need to slow it down. How Manly don't have several players in the sin bin every game is beyond me and most of the time they dont even get penalized.
 
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Mr Red

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I wasn't referring to Friday Red as I'm aware this has been a problem last year as well. I've commented over the last few weeks on it but it serves little purpose going back in time about a problem that should be fixed now and can be fixed in 16 days except just to ask the question why hasn't it? Of course it is the coaching staff but I don't think you can directly contribute that only to Price, we have a defensive coach and he is either ineffective or the players aren't following direction. It may very well be a problem with the wrestling coach but Price should and I'm sure is asking questions. Prices problem where we are concerned is he stands by his players and coaching staff in terms of media, what goes on behind closed doors may be a different matter. I'm sure it will be a difficult thing for him to sack Albert but either we fix the ruck before next game or Albert has to go and maybe its Doust that should be stepping in here. I can't see Price being dumped until there is no chance we can make the 8 if at all but I don't see why the defensive coach shouldnt be held accountable. In summation we would all be happier focusing on the things that can be changed instead of bashing our head against a wall with the slice Price mentality as it won't happen.

In addition this goes way back to the Bennett era as well, we rarely won the ruck but we did somehow manage to have great line speed early in the count and otherwise rarely missed tackles and had the best goal line defense I've ever seen. The difference is we rarely got penalized as we were one of the protected few teams and clearly we are not now. Another big difference is we had Sowards kicking game to counter and when he was off we lost due to not winning the ruck. Also the game speed has increased and so has the need to slow it down. How Manly don't have several players in the sin bin every game is beyond me and most of the time they dont even get penalized.

You mention we have a defensive coach and a wrestling coach... Who are these individuals?
And don't say Young is the defensive coach because I don't think he is... He is the forwards coach and that's a different role.
 

Mr Red

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I don't think we have full time defensive or wrestling coaches do we?
I thought Price just brought in individuals on a part time basis when he sees fit... Probably half the problem having part timers in charge of specialist coaching positions.. Most other clubs would have full time coaches in these roles I would think.

Happy to stand corrected if anyone has definite information here ?
 

GT0007

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You mention we have a defensive coach and a wrestling coach... Who are these individuals?
And don't say Young is the defensive coach because I don't think he is... He is the forwards coach and that's a different role.

My mistake I thought Albert was the defensive coach. He is listed as an assistant coach and I had heard it mentioned somewhere he was the defensive coach though it was preseason so I can't quote a reference. I will still refer to Albert though as the forwards coach as you wish....how do you think he's doing so far? It might be worth a mention to as he is the forwards coach that his coaching record as our head coach for 89-90 was a win ratio of 41% so on what basis is he coaching us again in any capacity? I've stated he was a great rugged player but that doesn't make a great coach and he hasn't coached since he was sacked by the Dragons last time.
We should have a defensive coach and a wrestling coach!

I have asked the question if we have a wrestling coach as most clubs do but hadnt got a response. My point is if we do then he either needs to spend more time or if he already is then we need to find someone else who understands the way the refs and rules work. If we dont have one then why not? Tadaa we have our problem solved! I'm not suggesting a wrestling coach fulltime but enough time to get results.
We are the least effective team in the ruck that I've seen over the last season and a third or maybe ever
 
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GT0007

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I don't think we have full time defensive or wrestling coaches do we?
I thought Price just brought in individuals on a part time basis when he sees fit... Probably half the problem having part timers in charge of specialist coaching positions.. Most other clubs would have full time coaches in these roles I would think.

Happy to stand corrected if anyone has definite information here ?

Surely we would have a part time wrestling coach? If not we desperately need one as do we a defensive coach. A team doesn't defend literally as forwards and backs nor do they attack as them. It's very old school
 

Mr Red

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My mistake I thought Albert was the defensive coach. He is listed as an assistant coach and I had heard it mentioned somewhere he was the defensive coach though it was preseason so I can't quote a reference. I will still refer to Albert though as the forwards coach as you wish....how do you think he's doing so far? It might be worth a mention to as he is the forwards coach that his coaching record as our head coach for 89-90 was a win ratio of 41% so on what basis is he coaching us again in any capacity? I've stated he was a great rugged player but that doesn't make a great coach and he hasn't coached since he was sacked by the Dragons last time.
We should have a defensive coach and a wrestling coach!

I have asked the question if we have a wrestling coach as most clubs do but hadnt got a response. My point is if we do then he either needs to spend more time or if he already is then we need to find someone else who understands the way the refs and rules work. If we dont have one then why not? Tadaa we have our problem solved! I'm not suggesting a wrestling coach fulltime but enough time to get results.
We are the least effective team in the ruck that I've seen over the last season and a third or maybe ever

agree with your thoughts on Craig Young, he was a great player but an awful coach.
he shouldn't be part of the coaching team at all.
 

Slippery Morris

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Craig Young had his chance to coach and did believe it or not a worse job than Price although his squad was not as strong as Price's teams have been.
 

smi962

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slice price twice, splice and then dice him thrice, before putting him on ice. Serve him in a vise with some nice boiled rice.
 
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