Brisbane Jets

[Perth Red]

In 2016 the population of Ipswich was 200k. Logan's population was 314k in 2016.

Data by region | Australian Bureau of Statistics

dbr.abs.gov.au

Depends if your talking about lga area or census region
logan 303k

2016 Ipswich, Census All persons QuickStats | Australian Bureau of Statistics

quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au

2016 Logan (C), Census All persons QuickStats | Australian Bureau of Statistics

quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Depends if your talking about lga area or census region
logan 303k

2016 Ipswich, Census All persons QuickStats | Australian Bureau of Statistics

quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au

2016 Logan (C), Census All persons QuickStats | Australian Bureau of Statistics

quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au

Interesting how they have all these different categories.

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting how they have all these different categories.

Yeh, different ways of measuring areas. I guess the main point for this conversation is how big is the catchment that is likely to follow a club that idnetifies with a specific area. In Perth Dockers are a good example. Although called Frematle, 95% of their fanbase doesnt live in Fremantle, in fact most would be a fair distance away from Fremantle. But they have been able to draw from pretty much the whole southern half of the city giving them a catchment of over 1million people. It helps of course if the only other option is already fully sold out so you dont have much chocie if you want to to got to games!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I'm gonna call it now, it's a two horse race. The expansion team will be Dolphins or Firehawks.

In these kinda situations perception = reality, and if the powers-that-be perceive the Jets bid to be short of cash, it's curtains for them in this expansion phase.

I think there's a chance that the NRL *may* look to accept the Dolphins AND Firehawks into the NRL over the next few years - regardless of the noises they've made about NZ 2. Especially if both can pony-up with substantial expansion fees as "hush money" to be distributed to existing NRL clubs.


Surely that would cover SE Queensland for a long time to come, then they can move on other markets in future expansion.

Yeah - is it just me or did the Bombers bid, that looked amazing in all but mascot name, lose all of its momentum as soon as it joined with the Jets' bid?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If a cash injection is what it'll take for the 12 dissenting clubs to ease up on their criticism of NRL expansion plans, then it's the likes of Redcliffe & Brisbane Easts (flush with leagues club money) that will come up trumps, as they'll be able to foot the bill for any expansion fee.

That not only rules out the Jets (if indeed they're short of cash), but maybe NZ 2 as well - as they surely won't be able to pay an expansion fee.. which could make a double Brisbane expansion more likely.

NZ2, when the time comes may have already paid their ''fee'' through the recent increase in the broadcast deal. Or in any further increase a second NZ team might bring.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah - is it just me or did the Bombers bid, that looked amazing in all but mascot name, lose all of its momentum as soon as it joined with the Jets' bid?

They've been very quiet but the NRL has asked all the bids to not make any public comment during the bid process so who knows whats going on behind closed doors. Apart from some media speculating they might not have the funds to front up what the NRL is asking for there hasnt been anything about them, but then there hasnt been much from any of the bids due to NRL hush approach.

 

[Vee]

2016 the population was 326k, add in the surrounding areas and your probably not far off that. Not that 500k is some magical viability number. nq has 231k, canberra 395k, Newcastle 322k, Sutherland shire 232k, Penrith 196k Etc etc

231k must be Tsv only. NQ draws from a lot more than that.

 

[Perth Red]

231k must be Tsv only. NQ draws from a lot more than that.

2016 census Townville was 169k. Thats the NQ population estimate. If you add in Far NQ as well its 500k but not sure realistically how many financially contributing fans there would be that far away from Townsville?

 

[Vee]

2016 census Townville was 169k. Thats the NQ population estimate.

Add in Cairns and Mackay for a start, never mind all the other towns in the catchment.

 

[blaza88z]

Donkeys- I was going to post a cute and witty reply to your retort, but out of respect, I will be direct:-

Here’s what I see with you- you are clearly an intelligent and thoughtful person that is very passionate about your home and surrounds. You are understandably frustrated with the status quo of Rugby League and wish to see a fairer balance of power in particular to the distribution of energy in RL. These are all points I respect in you and regard you well. There is a huge lack of intelligence in general and I appreciate seeing logic, reason and an actual ability to spell and construct well written posts.

But sometimes you let some big subjective opinions drive your heuristics to a point you act as they are objective. This brings you down big time. You also have a tendency to tar people with with the one brush. The world is not so black and white.

Yes, there are some shithole parts to Ipswich, but there’s good and bad everywhere. Logan is no better. Yes, there’s some really nice areas that have high facility and well looked after properties, but Woodridge, Kingston, Slacks Creek, Browns Plains, Hillcrest, Marsden, Creastmead, Loganlea, Eagleby and Boronia Heights are no better than the rough areas in Ipswich. Also, Redcliffe and surrounds are probably just as rough as Ipswich yet it seems to be the front runner.

Again, there’s good and bad at all levels in all areas, and I don’t think Logan is a bad place to live at all. I’m in a nice neighbourhood with mostly owner occupied homes that has a great aesthetic and pride shown in most homes. Plus the ability to work in Brisbane and spend my days on the Coast make it a place I want to stay in.

As for the football team, don’t be an arsehole about a whole area that outright wipes a bid just because of your own prejudice. Argue actual objective truths and listen to what the actual powers to be are giving out.

How have you left Inala out?

 

[blaza88z]

I live in Brisbane (just near the Wynnum-Manly Leagues Club to be precise), Logan isn't that bad it's just that Woodridge area in particular which is known for stabbings and all sorts of that shit

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I live in Brisbane (just near the Wynnum-Manly Leagues Club to be precise), Logan isn't that bad it's just that Woodridge area in particular which is known for stabbings and all sorts of that shit

Logan is like Jekyll and Hyde. The western suburbs are much rougher with low socio-economic families living in government housing, whereas the eastern suburbs are much more affluent.

Wembley Road in Logan Central truly scares the shit out of me.

The Wynnum, Wynnum West, Manly, Manly West and the surrounding semi-rural suburbs are the only place in Brisbane I would feel comfortable living in. It's nice and relaxed there with plenty of bush. It reminds me of northern Logan. There's no better place to watch football than Kougari Oval. I love the walk into the ground on Wondall Road that has a couple of old American cars on the footpath.

 

[Vee]

I live in Brisbane (just near the Wynnum-Manly Leagues Club to be precise), Logan isn't that bad it's just that Woodridge area in particular which is known for stabbings and all sorts of that shit

Must have changed a bit since I worked there. Browns Plains, Crestmead, Beenleigh et al, all these areas are good now?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Logan is like Jekyll and Hyde. The western suburbs are much rougher with low socio-economic families living in government housing, whereas the eastern suburbs are much more affluent.

Wembley Road in Logan Central truly scares the shit out of me.

The Wynnum, Wynnum West, Manly, Manly West and the surrounding semi-rural suburbs are the only place in Brisbane I would feel comfortable living in. It's nice and relaxed there with plenty of bush. It reminds me of northern Logan. There's no better place to watch football than Kougari Oval. I love the walk into the ground on Wondall Road that has a couple of old American cars on the footpath.

I used to live in Woodridge last year. It wasn't too bad but to be honest I was as close to the Underwood as you could possibly get. Woodridge at the other end near the train station and down towards Logan Central is a different story. You're right though, Logan has many affluent areas like Daisy Hill and the suburbs surrounding JPC.

I used to play for Wynnum Manly juniors as I grew up there. Good club and Kougari is a great suburban ground.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I used to live in Woodridge last year. It wasn't too bad but to be honest I was as close to the Underwood as you could possibly get. Woodridge at the other end near the train station and down towards Logan Central is a different story. You're right though, Logan has many affluent areas like Daisy Hill and the suburbs surrounding JPC.

I used to play for Wynnum Manly juniors as I grew up there. Good club and Kougari is a great suburban ground.

It's a pity the Wynnum Manly Seagulls aren't bidding for an NRL licence.

 

[blaza88z]

Must have changed a bit since I worked there. Browns Plains, Crestmead, Beenleigh et al, all these areas are good now?

Not too sure mate, I don't get to those areas often enough to know

 

[blaza88z]

I used to live in Woodridge last year. It wasn't too bad but to be honest I was as close to the Underwood as you could possibly get. Woodridge at the other end near the train station and down towards Logan Central is a different story. You're right though, Logan has many affluent areas like Daisy Hill and the suburbs surrounding JPC.

I used to play for Wynnum Manly juniors as I grew up there. Good club and Kougari is a great suburban ground.

They've done it up a bit too, I love the club

 

[Mr Angry]

I think without question the weakest bid of the three.

 

[Perth Red]

I think without question the weakest bid of the three.

In what way?
Financially they dont ave a big LC to fall back on
Management they have some very smart businessmen at the helm thansk to the Bombers merger
Corproate support see above
Brand colours and logo is pretty good and unique
Fan appeal its hard to say, I dont think they are any better or worse given all three bids will need to draw from the same regions in reality to get fans to suncorp

So really their only weakness in comparison is not having pokies. Storm and Souths are doing ok without them.

What Livermore said few months ago:
“We don’t want to rely on people gambling to back up our clubs. I think it can be quite a depressing form of entertainment,” he adds.
“I think we want to move beyond that. It’s quite a narrow view. You’ve got to structure yourself around your digital and commercial partnerships along with private equity.

“It’s also with things like government and television partnerships, corporate hospitality, merchandising, membership, you suddenly have seven or eight silos running to generate revenue. For us it’s about private equity. There’s two investors who are seven-figure investors who I won’t name, but we don’t want one person who underwrites the whole bid. We have commercial guarantees in place over the next five years.”

The frontrunner for NRL expansion has revealed its blueprint. Two Maroon stars are front and centre

NRL’s expansion frontrunner has revealed its blueprint. Two Storm stars are front and centre

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[MugaB]

In what way?
Financially they dont ave a big LC to fall back on
Management they have some very smart businessmen at the helm thansk to the Bombers merger
Corproate support see above
Brand colours and logo is pretty good and unique
Fan appeal its hard to say, I dont think they are any better or worse given all three bids will need to draw from the same regions in reality to get fans to suncorp

So really their only weakness in comparison is not having pokies. Storm and Souths are doing ok without them.

What Livermore said few months ago:
“We don’t want to rely on people gambling to back up our clubs. I think it can be quite a depressing form of entertainment,” he adds.
“I think we want to move beyond that. It’s quite a narrow view. You’ve got to structure yourself around your digital and commercial partnerships along with private equity.

“It’s also with things like government and television partnerships, corporate hospitality, merchandising, membership, you suddenly have seven or eight silos running to generate revenue. For us it’s about private equity. There’s two investors who are seven-figure investors who I won’t name, but we don’t want one person who underwrites the whole bid. We have commercial guarantees in place over the next five years.”

The frontrunner for NRL expansion has revealed its blueprint. Two Maroon stars are front and centre

NRL’s expansion frontrunner has revealed its blueprint. Two Storm stars are front and centre

www.foxsports.com.au

Sounds very similar to the bears "rich backers" .....who shall remain unnamed