Brisbane2 Bid News

[adamkungl]

Here come the bear boosters set to flood another thread with their negativity and insecurities. By all accounts the CC bears bid is on track so why the need to put down the competition?

Yes, some posters are putting the Bears bid down in the CC thread but just because they are petty doesn't mean responses in kind are neccesary.

You have to admit that 3 bids competing for essentially same area is a sort of comical situation. Throw in CQLD as well.

Bears aside, but in their current state I believe they will simply cannibalise each other. Merged, Bears will have a hard time beating them.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

You have to admit that 3 bids competing for essentially same area is a sort of comical situation. Throw in CQLD as well.

Bears aside, but in their current state I believe they will simply cannibalise each other. Merged, Bears will have a hard time beating them.

I do agree that the whole Brisbane bid situation at the moment is a bit of a shemozzle. All the more reason for Bears fans to be quietly confident and not be bear baited by other posters.

 

[flippikat]

You have to admit that 3 bids competing for essentially same area is a sort of comical situation. Throw in CQLD as well.

Bears aside, but in their current state I believe they will simply cannibalise each other. Merged, Bears will have a hard time beating them.

And that is the point.

All things being equal, a co-ordinated Brisbane-area bid would be a no-brainer.

A divided effort will most likely undermine the chance they have.

I hope like hell that all the consortiums get together and pool resources & know-how to get a great rival to the Broncos up and running.

 

[adamkungl]

I hope like hell that all the consortiums get together and pool resources & know-how to get a great rival to the Broncos up and running.

I don't - I want the Bears in :lol:

But a strong Brisbane bid would make a tough decision for the NRL (I don't think its a no-brainer)

 

[_Johnsy]

It smells a bit dodgy, other then the CSMA website and the facebook page just set up this company and this guy don't turn up anywhere on a first google search which in todays world seems fishy for a company supposedly organising all these great events

Although you have to wonder if he is any relation to QRL boss Ross Livermore and if so is this a way for the QRL to get a larger say in the game again by their key players starting a new club ?

Lets remember that the QRL held outfor some time (they were the only stumbling block to the IC being formed). I was surprised when they decided to sign on. Is there something in it for them ??

Top of the class boonboon. IMO The dinosaurs in QRL would not relinquish power to the IC without getting something in return.

 

[flippikat]

Lets remember that the QRL held outfor some time (they were the only stumbling block to the IC being formed). I was surprised when they decided to sign on. Is there something in it for them ??

Top of the class boonboon. IMO The dinosaurs in QRL would not relinquish power to the IC without getting something in return.

You may just be on to something there... and in that scenario if the QRL were to cut a deal with Ipswich, things could be very interesting...

 

[BDGS]

I think this bid might have the ability to produce my biggest fear about NRL expansion and that fear is having two new teams both located in Rugby League heartland.

The Central Coast NRL bid is too big, too many people are behind it etc etc but this new Brisbane bid brings a lot to the table and many advantages (if this is real and not a wind up) that may have the NRL expand into both rugby league heartlands and put off the risky expansion into WA for a few years which would be a real shame.

As it stands i don't think too much has changed in regards to NRL bids atm, until more information is told to us.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

On the basis of having everything covered for a successful expansion bid I still see the pecking order like

Central Coast Bears - stadium, community support, memberships, sponsors.
W.A. Reds - stadium, sponsors, community support, mild memberships
Central QLD NRL Bid - sponsors, mild community support
Ipswich Jets NR Bid - ??
Brisbane II NRL Bid - stadium
NZ II NRL Bid - stadium
Logan NRL Bid - ??

 

[docbrown]

I rather this model of having 5 to 8 GENUINE competing bids rather than MANUFACTURING two teams in states that didn't ask for them.

As long as the NRL fully supports the two clubs until they achieve their long term stability.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I rather this model of having 5 to 8 GENUINE competing bids rather than MANUFACTURING two teams in states that didn't ask for them.

As long as the NRL fully supports the two clubs until they achieve their long term stability.

Exactly. The major point in all of this is, how can anyone expect anything from a bid if their own communities and regions haven't got behind them yet?

This force feeding a team down peoples throats won't work and will backfire horribly for the game. It's time to listen to the communities that do want a team, to the sponsors and corporate sectors that want to be involved in our game and involved in helping start a new team up with those same communities alongside them.

Have we become so dillusioned with ratings that we have forgotten about the fans? Ratings won't save a team when their in the red, ratings won't make people run out to buy merchandise and memberships. That all stems from the effort each individual club puts out towards their communities.

 

[BDGS]

I rather this model of having 5 to 8 GENUINE competing bids rather than MANUFACTURING two teams in states that didn't ask for them.

As long as the NRL fully supports the two clubs until they achieve their long term stability.

Yes, take note AFL.

 

[docbrown]

Exactly. The major point in all of this is, how can anyone expect anything from a bid if their own communities and regions haven't got behind them yet?

This force feeding a team down peoples throats won't work and will backfire horribly for the game. Ratings won't save a team when their in the red

True, none of these bids should be accepted if they don't have community backing.

But ratings are a very real measure and have a very real impact on the overall financial status of the game. You shouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Crowds, ratings, memberships and merchandise sales are just reflective factors of the same thing: community support.

 

[jim_57]

On the basis of having everything covered for a successful expansion bid I still see the pecking order like

Central Coast Bears - stadium, community support, memberships, sponsors.
W.A. Reds - stadium, sponsors, community support, mild memberships
Central QLD NRL Bid - sponsors, mild community support
Ipswich Jets NR Bid - ??
Brisbane II NRL Bid - stadium
NZ II NRL Bid - stadium
Logan NRL Bid - ??

What's that supposed to mean? The community support for the CQ is very strong, the problem I see is that the community just isn't big enough.

 

[joshreading]

Whilst I thoroughly agree that each Bid needs strong community support, don't be mistaken the primary issue in this expansion possibility will be MONEY.

What team, City brings in MORE MONEY for the WHOLE COMPETITION and RL in general. That is as simple as it will be. (yes to guarantee money you need to guarantee a supporter base) It must be understood in terms of TV money 15 thousand new fans for a theoretical new team in Sydney is not worth close to what it would be for the same from Perth.

 

[dgsfan]

I agree.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

What's that supposed to mean? The community support for the CQ is very strong, the problem I see is that the community just isn't big enough.

That's what I meant. You are correct the support is second to none. I wouldnt doubt their support for a minute. I think their bid is sound and hope they eventually get their own team in the competition.

As far as the Brisbane 2 team goes, I hope they get their bid rock solid. I personally like the prospect of a second Brisbane side. I think Diehards could entice alot of support as a brand name. They will need time to grow.

All the bids still have alot of hardwork infront of them. Whilst I don't think having Ipswich Jets, Logan and Brisbane 2 bids as seperate entities will help their cause if they get a chance unite their resources.

We'll see what transpires. I'm not gonna be negative to any of the bids anymore. This is a great thing for rugby league and we must concede that all of the bids are a great indication of where the game is at in terms of popularity.

I think it might be time to form an NRL expansion policy and strategy possibly approving all bids for entry by setting realistic time frames.

For example

2013: WA Reds & Central Coast Bears (extra game)
2015: Brisbane 2 or Ipswich Jets (introducing a bye round)
2017: Central Qld (next TV rights, extra game)
2020: NZ 2 (introducing bye round)
2022: Brisbane 2 or Ipswich Jets (extra game)

 

[joshreading]

Seriously, what a great problem the NRL is starting to develop.

We could see serious movement from PNG and NZ in time as well. What to do...

 

[dgsfan]

I'd have...

2013: WA Reds & Brisbane 2 (extra game)
2015: Ipswich Jets or CQ (introducing a bye round)
2017: CC (only if a NSW team has folded)
2020: NZ 2 (introducing bye round)
2022: Ipswich Jets or CQ (extra game)

 

[Bluebags1908]

Whilst I thoroughly agree that each Bid needs strong community support, don't be mistaken the primary issue in this expansion possibility will be MONEY.

What team, City brings in MORE MONEY for the WHOLE COMPETITION and RL in general. That is as simple as it will be. (yes to guarantee money you need to guarantee a supporter base) It must be understood in terms of TV money 15 thousand new fans for a theoretical new team in Sydney is not worth close to what it would be for the same from Perth.

For the 500 millionth time - Central Coast is NOT in Sydney. Don't believe me? Go walk down any street on the Central Coast and tell them it is a part of Sydney and you would get a smack in the face.

 

[adamkungl]

I think it might be time to form an NRL expansion policy and strategy possibly approving all bids for entry by setting realistic time frames.

For example

2013: WA Reds & Central Coast Bears (extra game)
2015: Brisbane 2 or Ipswich Jets (introducing a bye round)
2017: Central Qld (next TV rights, extra game)
2020: NZ 2 (introducing bye round)
2022: Brisbane 2 or Ipswich Jets (extra game)

Excellent point. There shouldn't be bids 'rejected' here, but given a different timeframe to work towards (by building their juniors, entering strong sides in lower grades, building memberships, sponsorships and community support, and getting infrastructure prepared).

The demand and money is definitely available to support 20 teams in my opinion - the problem is stretching playing talent.

I would have 2 new teams (CC and WA) in 2013, definitely. Hopefully Perth will be bringing through NRL quality players well within a decade.

I would probably wait until 2018 to bring in any more. Next TV deal, more money, 5 year buffer period.

My order would be:

2013: WA + CC
2018: Best QLD bid + best NZ bid (I like the idea of a Christchurch team)
2023: Best QLD bid + Adelaide (Work needs to start developing Adelaide for the long term now)

Side note: I would allow entry to PNG at any time (adding a Bye) such that they can convince the NRL that they would be a sustainable team and meet the expectations expected of a professional RL club (sustainability, stadium, security, playing numbers for top grade, reserve depth and NYC). This is due to the massive benefits they would bring - Massive influx of playing talent, further international sponsorship opportunites and exposure, big boost to the international game.