Brisbane2 Bid News

[flippikat]

Excellent point. There shouldn't be bids 'rejected' here, but given a different timeframe to work towards (by building their juniors, entering strong sides in lower grades, building memberships, sponsorships and community support, and getting infrastructure prepared).

The demand and money is definitely available to support 20 teams in my opinion - the problem is stretching playing talent.

I would have 2 new teams (CC and WA) in 2013, definitely. Hopefully Perth will be bringing through NRL quality players well within a decade.

I would probably wait until 2018 to bring in any more. Next TV deal, more money, 5 year buffer period.

My order would be:

2013: WA + CC
2018: Best QLD bid + best NZ bid (I like the idea of a Christchurch team)
2023: Best QLD bid + Adelaide (Work needs to start developing Adelaide for the long term now)

Side note: I would allow entry to PNG at any time (adding a Bye) such that they can convince the NRL that they would be a sustainable team and meet the expectations expected of a professional RL club (sustainability, stadium, security, playing numbers for top grade, reserve depth and NYC). This is due to the massive benefits they would bring - Massive influx of playing talent, further international sponsorship opportunites and exposure, big boost to the international game.

I think you've made the most sense here, in terms of what's ready and what's achievable, if a plan is developed NOW.

 

[RHCP]

For the 500 millionth time - Central Coast is NOT in Sydney. Don't believe me? Go walk down any street on the Central Coast and tell them it is a part of Sydney and you would get a smack in the face.

North Sydney is a large part of the bid also.

 

[dgsfan]

Exactly. They're selective with when they want to use Sydney with their bid. They'll use Nth Sydney's population, affluence and history, yet somehow dismiss its geography.

 

[Perth Red]

I could live with us not getting in in 2013 if deemed not ready/worthy IF I was confident the NRL had any inkling of a strategy for helping us be much stronger for admission in the future. How could they do that?
$2million a year grant to be spent on: SG Ball and a NSW cup side, more development officers and isiting NRL coaches/stars
Underwriting 3 NRL games a year in Perth, guaranteed
Forcing the next FTA Tv station to show games into Perth live
Working with the WARL to get the print media more on side
Int RL/Rep games
Guaranteed admission in 2018

Not that I'm worried as I believe we will be in next expansion opportunity but would be good to see some strategic intent by the new IC with an idea of which bid areas it wants to groom for the future. Pick the top 2or 3 areas and invest in getting them ready

 

[adamkungl]

Exactly. They're selective with when they want to use Sydney with their bid. They'll use Nth Sydney's population, affluence and history, yet somehow dismiss its geography.

It's very simple champ, even for you. The team will be based entirely on the Central Coast. However, as an added bonus due to their history, people in North Sydney will be happy to support and sponsor them.

 

[Bluebags1908]

North Sydney is a large part of the bid also.

That's true. Not disputing that. But the team is called Central Coast Bears and plays all but one home game a year on the Central Coast. Having the North Sydney component is a plus, not a minus, and the Central Coast bid will be so much weaker without the Bears component - so the 'another Sydney team' arguement is a fail.

Exactly. They're selective with when they want to use Sydney with their bid. They'll use Nth Sydney's population, affluence and history, yet somehow dismiss its geography.

See above. I suggest you are the one being selective in your arguements.

It's very simple champ, even for you. The team will be based entirely on the Central Coast. However, as an added bonus due to their history, people in North Sydney will be happy to support and sponsor them.

100% correct. How hard it is for the thick ones on this forum to understand?

 

[bobmar28]

The way I see it is if the 3 SEQ bids fight each other they are doomed and CC bears will get the 2nd franchise (Perth is a shoe in imo). If they join forces the CC Bears will miss out.

 

[_Johnsy]

I'd have...

2013: WA Reds & Brisbane 2 (extra game)
2015: Ipswich Jets or CQ (introducing a bye round)
2017: CC (only if a NSW team has folded)
2020: NZ 2 (introducing bye round)
2022: Ipswich Jets or CQ (extra game)

So now you want the Brisbane region to have 4 teams by 2015.

That is based on your claim that the CC Bears are a part of the "Sydney Region"

Sydney CBD to Bluetongue Stadium = 75km

Brisbane CBD to Ipswich = 39km
Brisbane CBD to Robina = 81km
Interesting.

 

[joshreading]

For the 500 millionth time - Central Coast is NOT in Sydney. Don't believe me? Go walk down any street on the Central Coast and tell them it is a part of Sydney and you would get a smack in the face.

I said nothing about the Bears - I was simply highlight that in actual fact a side that brings in more NEW eyes is worth more than a side that does not. I used Sydney simply as in illustration.

Nervous at bit?

 

[dgsfan]

I'd say more than a bit.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

So now you want the Brisbane region to have 4 teams by 2015.

That is based on your claim that the CC Bears are a part of the "Sydney Region"

Sydney CBD to Bluetongue Stadium = 75km

Brisbane CBD to Ipswich = 39km
Brisbane CBD to Robina = 81km
Interesting.

so if you take a 75km radius from sydney cbd, how many teams are?

take a 75km radius from brisbane cbd and how many teams do you have?

then take those figures and divide them by the population it that radius and how many people do you come up with?

so which figure is under-represented?

not the 75km raduis around the sydney cbd

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

WA Reds are MORE than a shoe in.

 

[Bro Bear]

I would not say the WA Reds are a shoe-in. The NRL may want to shore the stronghold of league before introducing new areas.

Have the Melbourne Storm brought many new fans to the game. Very questionable and the Storm have a huge debt. Can the NRL afford to carry another club?

WA Reds like the other bids will have to prove they can afford a team, have juniors in place, home crowd support (not depend on a travelling home crowd over 200 - 300 kms to games), a stadium, marketing value and sponsorship.

Would not be surprised CC Bears and a SEQLD team 2013, with the WA Reds to serve their time in a "hopeful new reserve grade" competition.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

Storm have a huge debt

how much are they are in debt?
or are you talking about the xtra money that news put into them each year which are 2 totally different things. Melbourne are one of the big spenders in the comp, they could easily cut their expenditure to make them break even and still be one of the biggest spenders in the comp

 

[applesauce]

Can the NRL afford to carry another club?

YES. If WA get the nod the TV deal will be worth more than any combination of bids in already rugby league areas.

Just like without Melbourne the game would be in a far worse financial state.

 

[Bluebags1908]

I said nothing about the Bears - I was simply highlight that in actual fact a side that brings in more NEW eyes is worth more than a side that does not. I used Sydney simply as in illustration.

Nervous at bit?

Where do you get this "nervous" crap from? I'm simply correcting your statement. I wasn't referring to TV eyes or anything else. And besides, apart from the WA Reds who I agree WILL bring in more eyes than anyone else because they bring in a whole new state on the other side of Australia into the NRL, it's very debatable if the other bids would bring more than the Bears as the same arguement could be said for the Queenslanders watching the Broncos, Titans, Cowboys.

And of course you are talking about the Bears - we weren't born yesterday... they are the only bidders from NSW, so any passing anti-Sydney or anti-NSW comment is of course in reference to the Bears.

You sound like the nervous one peddling the "too many Sydney teams" arguement in relation to the Bears for the 500 millionth time.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I would not say the WA Reds are a shoe-in. The NRL may want to shore the stronghold of league before introducing new areas.

Have the Melbourne Storm brought many new fans to the game. Very questionable and the Storm have a huge debt. Can the NRL afford to carry another club?

WA Reds like the other bids will have to prove they can afford a team, have juniors in place, home crowd support (not depend on a travelling home crowd over 200 - 300 kms to games), a stadium, marketing value and sponsorship.

Would not be surprised CC Bears and a SEQLD team 2013, with the WA Reds to serve their time in a "hopeful new reserve grade" competition.

Storm made a profit in 2009, not sure about last year with what went on, but their crowds were bigger than 09.

 

[blukablu]

Storm made a profit in 2009, not sure about last year with what went on, but their crowds were bigger than 09.

Not to mention they are one of if not the expensively run club in the comp and they also pretty much look after all development of League in Victoria.

Anyway my opinion.. 2013 - Sharks fold, CC in. 2014/2015 - 2nd Brisbane and WA. 2020+ 2nd NZ and SA. Manly to the Sunshine Coast.

 

[lturner]

I said nothing about the Bears - I was simply highlight that in actual fact a side that brings in more NEW eyes is worth more than a side that does not. I used Sydney simply as in illustration.

Nervous at bit?

Not really. The free to air stations could not care less whether a side brings in "new eyes" or just gets the same old people to watch another game. They are selling advertising space, so the only thing that matters is how many people watch the game. Whether those same people have already watched another game that weekend doesn't matter.

Of course getting new people to watch might mean that the overall ratings will be higher but not necessarily, and especially not in the short term.

Ask yourself this question: which game would get more people to switch on their TV and watch - one featuring a new team from Perth or one featuring a new team from Brisbane. Quite clearly the Brisbane team is it. The fact that that same audience might also watch the Broncos play the next day is not relevant (for free to air revenue).

Pay TV revenue is another story and this is where a Perth side might have an edge. As Pay TV operators derive revenues from subscriptions, the amount of new eyes/subscriptions is relevant and could increase value. Although advertising still plays a part.

In respect of generating new TV revenues the Central Coast are sadly not even in the hunt. As much as people want it to not be the case, Central Coast is part of the greater Sydney region, even the ABS classifies it as such. Many people from there work in Sydney CBD and come from other parts of Sydney originally. And the Sydney TV market is already dominated by the big-rating clubs like Saints, Parra etc. It's hard to see where the Central Coast would have an effect. Not that the Central Coast Bears bid does not have merits, but additional TV revenue is not one of them, unfortunately.

 

[dgsfan]

Well thought out argument.