Brisbane2 Bid News

[BuffaloRules]

Channel Nine, frustrated by having only three Queensland-based clubs to broadcast (Broncos, Titans and Cowboys), would support a fourth team, increasing its options of games to select for its second Friday night televised match.

Who would have thunk it??

Exactly what myself and others have been saying for months, but continually talked down by the CC cheersquad...

I believe that the Bears will be having a collective anus clenching at this news...

If Brisbane 2 gets its act together, then you would have to say that they would be home and hosed...

Watch the CC crew start attacking the Reds bid now....

 

[BuffaloRules]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/bennett-looms-as-brisbane-bid-target/story-fn6ck45n-1225995127030

Bennett looms as Brisbane bid target

A HIGH-powered consortium bidding to form Brisbane's second NRL team could target master coach Wayne Bennett.
Thoroughbreds chairman Craig Davison, one of three men spearheading a Brisbane expansion bid, has pledged to recruit marquee playing and coaching talent should it win an NRL licence for 2013.

Currently in charge of the Dragons, Bennett is off contract at the end of this season and has yet to commit to the club for next year amid speculation he could return to live with his family in Queensland.
Bennett, 61, coached the Broncos for 21 seasons, delivering six premierships to Red Hill before his move to St George Illawarra in 2009.
Bennett's wife Trish is set to move into an apartment in Brisbane and the birth of an NRL team to rival the Broncos could be just the challenge for a man who snapped the Dragons' 31-year premiership drought last season.


"We want to be successful from day one and that means sourcing the best CEO and the best coach in the game," Davison said. "Wayne is doing a great job at the Dragons and his record speaks for itself.
"Obviously it's too early to be naming names and we're keeping our cards close to our chest, but we intend to go to the marketplace with the name being Brisbane something.
"We'll have fans help us decide the name. It will be like the Sydney Roosters and Sydney Bulldogs.
"This bid is a totally separate bid from Ipswich.
"There are three of us directing traffic and we believe it's a very exciting time.
"This is the opportunity for Brisbane to have another NRL team and we believe we have the population and the expertise to bring it to fruition."
The three-man consortium has yet to identify potential players but is certain to pick the eyes out of Queensland's existing NRL clubs the Broncos, North Queensland and the Gold Coast Titans.
Broncos skipper Darren Lockyer is off contract this season but Cowboys Test star Johnathan Thurston is secure in North Queensland until the end of 2013.
Melbourne and Queensland hooker Cameron Smith, a Logan Brothers junior, is a free agent in 2013.
Queensland rugby league pundits have long questioned Brisbane's capacity to sustain two NRL teams after the demise of the South Queensland Crushers, who survived only three seasons before being killed off in 1997 as part of the ARL-Super League compromise.
Significantly, the Crushers averaged 21,000 in their debut season in 1995 and NRL boss David Gallop said Brisbane's population growth since suggested it could support two teams.
"The city and the game have come a long way since the days of the Crushers," he said.
"The Crushers were as much a victim of the situation of the game generally when they hit hard times. The impact on the Broncos and the Titans, as well as the other teams in the competition, is just one of the factors we have to weigh up when we look at it (expansion) seriously."
Davison said the presence of a second Brisbane team could be a major coup for the NRL, which is set to begin negotiations on a new TV rights deal.
"There is a lot of pressure from the networks to make sure they have 24 games out of Suncorp, not 12, and that is a critical part of the TV rights," he said. "We believe we'll be in with a fighting chance."

 

[herbert henry1908]

Nope not at all. Our bid gets submitted in 64 days. We've got the neccessary funds and equity to have our best possible bid. The community support has been second to none and our sponsors have been great. We are on the home stretch as far as building our bid is concerned however the Central Coast Bears will keep working towards their goal. We've jumped every hoop and performed every trick asked of us. More so than anyone else. Our bid is rock solid I can assure you.

I dont doubt you have a solid bid at all.

But you still have negatives , like there already being too many teams in the sydney basin & A lack of ongoing corporate support.

But the one major thing you have going against you is possible other bids. Brisbane & Perth have much better long term prospects no matter how you look at it. If this brisbane bid is a good one you cant seriously tell me that wouldnt have you worried.

You realize that the QLD Reds & Brisbane Roar play at Suncorp during alternate weekends to the Broncos? (Reds march-june/Roar july-now) Whilst it also holds internationals for soccer, league & union? Not to mention most of Brisbane's big events/concerts? Add to the fact that they'll surely be competiting against the Gabba's/Lion's crowds.

It makes it interesting but im super confident that the work we've put in is second to none. Im not worried hence why I posted the articles personally.

I was talking about how many games of rugby league are played there , I would have thought that was pretty clear.

I have a feeling that the NRL would be looking for any excuse not to include the Central Coast. Looking to the future the TV deal is only going to become more important. Bigger markets are just going to bring in more money , it doesnt get simpler than that.

 

[johns_reds]

Nope not at all. Our bid gets submitted in 64 days. We've got the neccessary funds and equity to have our best possible bid. The community support has been second to none and our sponsors have been great. We are on the home stretch as far as building our bid is concerned however the Central Coast Bears will keep working towards their goal. We've jumped every hoop and performed every trick asked of us. More so than anyone else. Our bid is rock solid I can assure you.



You realize that the QLD Reds & Brisbane Roar play at Suncorp during alternate weekends to the Broncos? (Reds march-june/Roar july-now) Whilst it also holds internationals for soccer, league & union? Not to mention most of Brisbane's big events/concerts? Add to the fact that they'll surely be competiting against the Gabba's/Lion's crowds.

It makes it interesting but im super confident that the work we've put in is second to none. Im not worried hence why I posted the articles personally.

Not sure what all these competing with other codes and concerts is about?? Suncorp only holds the biggest of concerts, In the last few years there have only been two concerts: robbie williams and U2, If it is a large gig most bands will play at QPAC stadium (pearl jam, acdc etc.)

Soccer doesn't start till mid August, not July. Rugby League finals start in September so only a couple weeks lap over there.

The only issue would be the Reds, their season starts earlier then ours but there will still be a lap over of 5 or so home games, but who cares? Reds get hardly any fans, if this venture takes off it will kill the QLD Reds, They can go play at Ballimore stadium or QPAC.

 

[TheRam]

Done and dusted, Brisbane XXXXXX and WA Reds are in for 2013.

 

[taipan]

The more bids the merrier IMO.as big Kev would say" Ï am excited "whilst wetting my strides.
This keeps all bid teams on their toes,pushes them harder for memberships.
Who is to say the I.C. after examining the bid prices from the TV companies,doesn't come up with a 20 team comp with 4 conferences,as an example
Each conference plays each other twice 8 games.Then plays the remaining 15 teams once.In toto 23 games.
Sillier things have happened.
this Brisvegas bid is a newie,but like the CC must be considered seriously ,as tyo where the fish are,and Perth must be considered due to the time slot opportunity,and the fact they have the 3rd biggest no of juniors out of NSW and Qld.

 

[Von]

WA, CC, Brisbane 2 & NZ 2 making a 20 team comp in 2013 anyone?

 

[Doug2234]

If this gets off the ground its going to have to Brisbane2 and WA get the nod... sh*ts all over CC for TV viewers...

 

[BuffaloRules]

WA, CC, Brisbane 2 & NZ 2 making a 20 team comp in 2013 anyone?

Maybe they need to start thinking about more than 2 teams coming in now?

You would need to stagger it but maybe you could have something like the following;

2013 - Brisbane 2 + Perth
2015 - CC Bears ( yes I know this means a bye...)
2018 - NZ 2 ( just in time to create a 20 game comp and 10 games a week for the new TV deal..)

 

[hellteam]

Not sure what all these competing with other codes and concerts is about?? Suncorp only holds the biggest of concerts, In the last few years there have only been two concerts: robbie williams and U2, If it is a large gig most bands will play at QPAC stadium (pearl jam, acdc etc.)

Soccer doesn't start till mid August, not July. Rugby League finals start in September so only a couple weeks lap over there.

The only issue would be the Reds, their season starts earlier then ours but there will still be a lap over of 5 or so home games, but who cares? Reds get hardly any fans, if this venture takes off it will kill the QLD Reds, They can go play at Ballimore stadium or QPAC.

Easy solution to the Reds. Reds play Saturday night, League team plays Friday or Sunday. It's not hard to do. Happens all the time as it is.

 

[beave]

I don't think there is enough talent around for 20 teams, I thought the standard of football at times last season was diabolical. The salary cap has ensured a close comp, but that doesn't mean overall the football was great.

 

[adamkungl]

A recent meeting of NRL chief executives voted against a second Brisbane licence but the growing power of the Broncos concerns many clubs.

According to some on here this is bad news...they keep bringing it up about the Bears. Does the same criticism apply to QLD I wonder?

That said, this Brisbane2 bid sounds better than Ipswich imo. Not all that difficult considering within a day of being announced there's already more concrete info.

 

[adamkungl]

I don't think either Perth or CC can be denied, but a second Brisbane team is also important. If they get their sh*t together, which is likely condering the people behind it, we might have to consider a 3 or 4 way expansion 1995 style.

Looking back to 95, was it as bad as the end result made it seem? The Crushers and Reds collapsed due to the SL war more than over expansion. Sydney did need some rationalising, and we have a better spread now with 2 merged teams and the Bears moved to the CC. Player talent was spread a bit thin, but the top teams were as entertaining as ever. The fans responded positively with what still remains the highest total crowds of all time, and now we are finally in a position to demand the TV we deserve to support expansion; we have been dudded for nearly 2 decades now.

If it comes to a point where we have more than 2 bids that can not be refused, expand by 4. CC, WA, CQLD, Brisbane for 2013!

 

[dimitri]

I don't think either Perth or CC can be denied, but a second Brisbane team is also important. If they get their sh*t together, which is likely condering the people behind it, we might have to consider a 3 or 4 way expansion 1995 style.

Looking back to 95, was it as bad as the end result made it seem? The Crushers and Reds collapsed due to the SL war more than over expansion. Sydney did need some rationalising, and we have a better spread now with 2 merged teams and the Bears moved to the CC. Player talent was spread a bit thin, but the top teams were as entertaining as ever. The fans responded positively with what still remains the highest total crowds of all time, and now we are finally in a position to demand the TV we deserve to support expansion; we have been dudded for nearly 2 decades now.

If it comes to a point where we have more than 2 bids that can not be refused, expand by 4. CC, WA, CQLD, Brisbane for 2013!

if they were to include 4 - id prefer them to scatter entry

eg - WA and CC 2013

Brisbane & CQ 2015

 

[BuffaloRules]

According to some on here this is bad news...they keep bringing it up about the Bears. Does the same criticism apply to QLD I wonder?

Valid point,but if its just left up to the NRL clubs/executives they wont support expansion at all as they are selfish and prefer the revenue pie to be split 16 ways rather than 18 ...

The issue will be that if expansion is a given, which bids will they support?

 

[AB129*]

Brisbane2 definitely seems more realistic than Ipswich to me. The corporate support would be there, I'm sure a swag of disgruntled Broncos fans would jump ship and they could play at least some of their games out of Suncorp. And there's nothing to stop them playing games in regional centres like Ipswich either.

Central Qld seems somewhat silly to me. Are News going to pump mega bucks in to them as they do the Cowboys? Surely there just isn't the population concentration there.

It looks to me that Perth will be in when this comes up next, which is good. It also seems like that there are four other major areas/bids that the NRL would be looking at- the Central Coast, a 4th Qld side, Adelaide and a 2nd NZ side.

Bugger Adelaide off and you have 4 very strong expansion prospects IMO... I particularly like the 2nd NZ move. There is so much contact football talent over there that could be poached from Union. Unfortunately its probably the last cab off the rank atm.

My guess is the fight will be between the Bears and the 4th Qld side, because I think they're keen to go back to Perth and they won't accept more than two new franchises. If the Qld bids kind of merge and pull in the one direction, the Bears would surely be under a heap of pressure. Interesting times.

 

[Big Sam]

If the salary cap expands to $6 million annually in 2013 and four new teams are included, that's almost $56 million more that will go to paying players than in 2011. Sure there will be a decrease in the ability of the average player with the expansion like there was in '07 and '08 with the Titans, but with all that extra money RL clubs could sign stars from other codes (e.g. Cooper) which long term should improve the overall standard of the competition.

 

[Evenflow]

I'm sure a swag of disgruntled Broncos fans would jump ship and they could play at least some of their games out of Suncorp.

What would Broncos fans, especially a "swag" of them have to be disgruntled about? Missing the finals once in 20 odd years? Or winning 6 premierships in the same period. Yep, i know that'd piss me right off and i wouldn't be able to wait to jump ship to a new team :sarcasm:

 

[adamkungl]

:lol: disgruntled Broncos fans... those premierships must hurt

 

[S.S.T.I.D]

I don't think there is enough talent around for 20 teams, I thought the standard of football at times last season was diabolical. The salary cap has ensured a close comp, but that doesn't mean overall the football was great.

I tend to agree, but there are so many regions that are either calling for a team of their own or where a team should be at some stage in the not too distant future. We currently have, in some capacity, 5 different bids encompassing 4 specific regions.

In my opinion they must all be admitted at one time or another. But then what of New Zealand? It is my very strong opinion that a second New Zealand team must enter the competition within the next decade. I think, somewhat realistically, we may end up with a 22 team competition within the next 15 years. That will be an extraordinary amount of money will need to be generated by the game over the same period to sustain these teams, but if it can be done than it should. Expansion may, or could, go something like this:

2013 - CC Bears and WA Reds
2018 - Central Queensland and South East Queensland
2023 - Wellington and Brisbane

We might see a relocation of an existing Sydney team, but to be honest I'd rather see these new regions start afresh with a new team in their own right and not have to carry the baggage of a failed club. If a Sydney team is no longer able to compete at the elite level than I would rather than they drop down a tier to play in the NSW Cup than be propped up for years and then relocated.