Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[BuffaloRules]

If I was adding a team into SL it wouldn't be a third team in Hull!

Why does it need 2? Maybe we’ll put a second team in Townsville …which is around the same size

 

[Wb1234]

He’s not wrong nrl doesn’t need Brisbane 3 for a long time and certainly not above Christchurch

If they stop at 20 then it had to be nz2

Brisbane 3 only if they go past 20 and want a safe option to balance going to Adelaide

 

[Perth Red]

Why does it need 2? Maybe we’ll put a second team in Townsville …which is around the same size

Again if you were starting SL from scratch it wouldn't have 2 in it, but as they have been around for over 100 years and both two of the strongest clubs in SL it would be silly to cut one now.
NRL and SL environments are different contexts, as you well know.

 

[steeden.]

Issue with CBus is that other events on the GC are generally held at Carrara stadium instead. Once combined with middling crowds at best, the utilisation of CBus isn’t very strong for what its overheads are.

Great point. AFL did well securing the management rights for it, I guess it might make them more proactive in securing events?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Never said it couldn't sustain one, It doesnt surprise me youve once again misrepresented what I've said. I said I dont think the comp needs a third Brisbane team.

They might need a third team if they want to go to 20 teams and there isn’t any other viable options…

Ikin and the QRL are pushing hard for a third Brisbane team as well..so you can bet that will count for something with the NRL…

 

[Wb1234]

They might need a third team if they want to go to 20 teams and there isn’t any other viable options…

Ikin and the QRL are pushing hard for a third Brisbane team as well..so you can bet that will count for something with the NRL…

You’re right

But since ikin seems to think playing games at Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast is a good option for a sw Brisbane team I think we can ignore him

Qrl has muppets running them

If they link with the (Brisbane) tigers then maybe it’s a stronger bid

 

[BuffaloRules]

You’re right

But since ikin seems to think playing games at Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast is a good option for a sw Brisbane team I think we can ignore him

Qrl has muppets running them

If they link with the (Brisbane) tigers then maybe it’s a stronger bid

They might be muppets who try to push nonsense about AFL taking over to try to get their way, but the QRL and Ikin have influence…more than what oher possible expansion areas have

 

[Perth Red]

They might need a third team if they want to go to 20 teams and there isn’t any other viable options…

Ikin and the QRL are pushing hard for a third Brisbane team as well..so you can bet that will count for something with the NRL…

True, but all things being equal I would much rather see a NZ2 club for club 20. IF, and its a big if, the NRL then expands to 22 and if there are no better better options that will actually grow the reach of the game then sure I suppose adding more heartland clubs is an option if we just want more fixtures.

 

[Wb1234]

They might be muppets who try to push nonsense about AFL taking over to try to get their way, but the QRL and Ikin have influence…more than what oher possible expansion areas have

Crying about afl taking over isn’t very credible anymore (if it ever was)

Ipswich will be a bigger nrl side than all the regional and interstate clubs and the smaller Sydney sides (sharks manly maybe even Penrith) but there’s no need to rush it

Once Perth is successful then Adelaide is the next tick in a box they need to so I don’t see them stopping at 20

Ipswich will mitigate the risk of Adelaide like dolphins mitigated the move to Perth

 

[BuffaloRules]

True, but all things being equal I would much rather see a NZ2 club for club 20. IF, and its a big if, the NRL then expands to 22 and if there are no better better options that will actually grow the reach of the game then sure I suppose adding more heartland clubs is an option if we just want more fixtures.

I’ve said previously I would prefer NZ2 … but we also saw how their bids last year basically weren’t even given the time of day by the NRL… I also don’t see any govt money forthcoming for NZ2

 

[BuffaloRules]

Crying about afl taking over isn’t very credible anymore (if it ever was)

Ipswich will be a bigger nrl side than all the regional and interstate clubs and the smaller Sydney sides (sharks manly maybe even Penrith) but there’s no need to rush it

Once Perth is successful then Adelaide is the next tick in a box they need to so I don’t see them stopping at 20

Ipswich will mitigate the risk of Adelaide like dolphins mitigated the move to Perth

I’m not as confident about Adelaide having success … they are more AFL obsessed than Perth , it’s also a much smaller city and not as wealthy …and don’t have a history of the game over there unlike Perth ..I don’t see a lot of point to them other than just for the sake of having a team there ( nothing personal to anyone from Adelaide reading this …)

 

[Perth Red]

I’ve said previously I would prefer NZ2 … but we also saw how their bids last year basically weren’t even given the time of day by the NRL… I also don’t see any govt money forthcoming for NZ2

Who knows where the NRL will be in its leadership and strategic priorities by 2031/32 when the decision gets made. They dissed the Perth bid as well and made their own same could well happen for NZ2. Agree I doubt there will be any significant funding from Govt for another NZ club but that may not be such a deciding factor for them. I'm just struggling to see what another Brisbane club really does for the Comp that the two existing ones dont?

 

[Perth Red]

I’m not as confident about Adelaide having success … they are more AFL obsessed than Perth , it’s also a much smaller city and not as wealthy …and don’t have a history of the game over there unlike Perth ..I don’t see a lot of point to them other than just for the sake of having a team there ( nothing personal to anyone from Adelaide reading this …)

Adelaide will be the NRL's last bastion of nationality. It'd take massive work and effort and investment on similar (all be it less $'s) scale as AFL has done in NSW and Qlnd. If NRL will ever be rich enough and confident enough to have a go at it is doubtful sadly. They've basically totally neglected the game there since 1998 so no surprise the sport has little foothold. RL in WA has only survived through the damn hard work of a lot of good people on the ground here and money for grassroots from local people.

Theres about 15k Touch football players in SA. Thats where I'd start getting those players engaged and getting Touch into more and more schools. Then rebuild the NRLSA comps, take regular NRL games there, start lobbying Govt with soccer for more Hindmarsh upgrades to NRL standard. Then maybe in 10-15 years they become a viable option. But that requires strategic thinking and $ investment, and we know how great RL is at that!

 

[BuffaloRules]

Adelaide will be the NRL's last bastion of nationality. It'd take massive work and effort and investment on similar (all be it less $'s) scale as AFL has done in NSW and Qlnd. If NRL will ever be rich enough and confident enough to have a go at it is doubtful sadly. They've basically totally neglected the game there since 1998 so no surprise the sport has little foothold. RL in WA has only survived through the damn hard work of a lot of good people on the ground here and money for grassroots from local people.

Theres about 15k Touch football players in SA. Thats where I'd start getting those players engaged and getting Touch into more and more schools. Then rebuild the NRLSA comps, take regular NRL games there, start lobbying Govt with soccer for more Hindmarsh upgrades to NRL standard. Then maybe in 10-15 years they become a viable option. But that requires strategic thinking and $ investment, and we know how great RL is at that!

I’m not sure the juice is worth the squeeze … we will see if they go there anytime soon … Im in my 50s and I might not live that long …you say they have “neglected” the game there … but as we see with GWS … sometimes it’s just not worth the spend ...and just because money is being spent, doesn’t mean that success will follow

 

[Perth Red]

I’m not sure the juice is worth the squeeze … we will see if they go there anytime soon … Im in my 50s and I might not live that long …you say they have “neglected” the game there … but as we see with GWS … sometimes it’s just not worth the spend ...and just because money is being spent, doesn’t mean that success will follow

Its an interesting one and somewhat unique to sport. As a business sure you'd ask if the financial ROI was worthwhile. But as a sport the governing body has a responsibility to grow the game across Australia. There is zero doubt that a bit of effort and $'s would see more people playing and following RL in SA. Be interesting to know participation numbers there in the 90's. In terms of decent sized populations for an NRL team its all thats really left in Australia for NRL. Everywhere else is going to the same well we are already drinking from.
Even GWS has had a positive impact on AFL participation and following in Sydney and Canberra. Not as much as I'm sure AFL HQ would like but its a long game for them and they can easily afford the investment.

 

[flippikat]

Its an interesting one and somewhat unique to sport. As a business sure you'd ask if the financial ROI was worthwhile. But as a sport the governing body has a responsibility to grow the game across Australia. There is zero doubt that a bit of effort and $'s would see more people playing and following RL in SA. Be interesting to know participation numbers there in the 90's. In terms of decent sized populations for an NRL team its all thats really left in Australia for NRL. Everywhere else is going to the same well we are already drinking from.
Even GWS has had a positive impact on AFL participation and following in Sydney and Canberra. Not as much as I'm sure AFL HQ would like but its a long game for them and they can easily afford the investment.

Now that Perth has been confirmed for expansion, It'll be interesting to see if good old FOMO kicks-in to the degree where the SA Government/Adelaide offer money to bring games there, because they're worried about being the only big mainland metro missing out on hosting games.

 

[Pippen94]

Adelaide will be the NRL's last bastion of nationality. It'd take massive work and effort and investment on similar (all be it less $'s) scale as AFL has done in NSW and Qlnd. If NRL will ever be rich enough and confident enough to have a go at it is doubtful sadly. They've basically totally neglected the game there since 1998 so no surprise the sport has little foothold. RL in WA has only survived through the damn hard work of a lot of good people on the ground here and money for grassroots from local people.

Theres about 15k Touch football players in SA. Thats where I'd start getting those players engaged and getting Touch into more and more schools. Then rebuild the NRLSA comps, take regular NRL games there, start lobbying Govt with soccer for more Hindmarsh upgrades to NRL standard. Then maybe in 10-15 years they become a viable option. But that requires strategic thinking and $ investment, and we know how great RL is at that!

Meh

 

[Pippen94]

You’re right

But since ikin seems to think playing games at Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast is a good option for a sw Brisbane team I think we can ignore him

Qrl has muppets running them

If they link with the (Brisbane) tigers then maybe it’s a stronger bid

Ikin is an idiot. Success of dolphins is model to follow