Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[Pippen94]

I've always supported Sunshine Coast getting its own team. Sure Dolphins can market themselves there and try and get fans but the Sunny Coast and Redcliffe are very culturally different. Need Kawana stadium upgraded to 20k at least.

Never happening. Money is in Brisbane with tv audience and derbies.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If you wanted to appeal to all of South east Qld you wouldn't keep jets name which is synonymous with Ipswich. Dolphins point you made is hard to believe particularly when their back up grounds are in Redcliffe and on the sunshine coast; clearly targeting the north.

Yeah you would, they'd be huge. Famous club

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If dolphins are covering western corridor do we need another nrl club there? I could understand it if there was a stadium in Ipswich to play out of but there isnt and no sign there will be so does se qlnd need another ‘the’ when it already has two clubs appealing to all of Brisbane and surrounding areas?

Absolutely and they'll be bigger than Perth and do more for the NRL from day 1

 

[Perth Red]

Absolutely and they'll be bigger than Perth and do more for the NRL from day 1

NRL will benefit from the Perth Bears, argument on here has just been that Broncos and Dolphins are already covering the area, so the question then becomes why would you?
All your doing is creating diminishing returns like happened in Sydney when they added more and more clubs which reduced the catchment areas of the existing ones.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

NRL will benefit from the Perth Bears, argument on here has just been that Broncos and Dolphins are already covering the area, so the question then becomes why would you?
All your doing is creating diminishing returns like happened in Sydney when they added more and more clubs which reduced the catchment areas of the existing ones.

First of all, I'm not making that argument. Second of all, agree on the diminishing returns. But even a third Brisbane team will be in the top 5 attended teams in the league, top 5 for sponsorship, top 5 for TV ratings even if they never overtake the Broncos or Phins. So why? Ahhh to make the league stronger.

 

[The Daddy3]

NRL will benefit from the Perth Bears, argument on here has just been that Broncos and Dolphins are already covering the area, so the question then becomes why would you?
All your doing is creating diminishing returns like happened in Sydney when they added more and more clubs which reduced the catchment areas of the existing ones.

But with the population boom forecast in SE Queensland, you're not creating diminishing returns. The pie is only getting bigger, particularly in areas where the Dolphins and Ipswich Jets have their support base

 

[Jonty]

But with the population boom forecast in SE Queensland, you're not creating diminishing returns. The pie is only getting bigger, particularly in areas where the Dolphins and Ipswich Jets have their support base

An ever increasing population in a RL mad region crying out for live professional RL action.

 

[Vlad59]

NRL will benefit from the Perth Bears, argument on here has just been that Broncos and Dolphins are already covering the area, so the question then becomes why would you?
All your doing is creating diminishing returns like happened in Sydney when they added more and more clubs which reduced the catchment areas of the existing ones.

You are arguing with people who see rugby league with an east coast lens. The addition of Perth is the only true expansion by the NRL in Australia since the Storm. And some still can’t see the potential of that club and the difference it’s made to this competition. Perth are a big addition to the comp with massive potential to grow the wealth of the competition. But, you know, let’s plug another side in Brisbane. Expansion should be about the long term growth of the game. That’s obviously how Vlandys sees it. PNG is a risk but it’s got 10 years of funding to get it right. NZ2 is the next best option imho. As you’ve often said, SA has been sorely neglected by the NRL. That’s going to be a hard option but we’ll see. Oh yeah and QLD 5.

 

[mongoose]

Never happening. Money is in Brisbane with tv audience and derbies.

all QLD vs QLD matches are derbies and Queenslanders will tune into any QLD team playing, whether its Ipswich, Central QLD, Sunshine Coast. Anyway I get that people want another existing old BRL team to be promoted, it makes for a good story.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

No, you didn’t. You took a blurb from their page which was done in 2022 - created a few months after they were officially granted entry before the parameters of what the club was really trying to achieve was recognised.

Also from their page - 18 months later they wrote this when hitting 30k members

Thank you! We've reached 30,000 Dolphins members

The Dolphins have taken time to say thank you to their massive supporter base in Brisbane and south-east Queensland today as they announced a staggering membership milestone for the NRL’s newest club.

www.dolphinsnrl.com.au

The Dolphins have taken time to say thank you to their massive supporter base in Brisbane and south-east Queensland today as they announced a staggering membership milestone for the NRL’s newest club.

For reference (because you don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about) SE QLD is a massive area, covers a lot of regions and “catchments”. Brisbane is a massive territorial city with 4 geographical sides to it.

I can guarantee you, when I talk to Terry and he talks shop regarding his goal for the Phins - he never isolates them to a location. He sees the club as a QLD club, no matter where you’re from they want your support, no matter where juniors play they will look to recruit.

But please continue with your presumed facts mate, and please keep harping on about stuff you have no clue about and better yet, please keep lecturing people who have direct involvement in the game here that you must know better. You’ve provided a good dose of comedy this evening and you’ve showed that you are out of your depth on yet another topic.

you are 100% correct cob. dolphins are an seqld team which is represented and supported by large fan base of all across seqld not just northside and their support comes all the way down to yamba as well. i know i live here and sees it with me own eyes. my cousin lives northern goldie near coomera and there's always people around that shopping center with phins merch on. way more than broncos or titans to be complete honest

whatever crack @Pippen94 is on screams of a bloke who doesn't know what he is talkings about.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Yeah you would, they'd be huge. Famous club

its like @Pippen94 the man with glass pipes cant comprehend that phins and jets brands extend beyond their historical bases. as said in above post, i sees people wearing phins merch here near yamba more than any other nrl club. pips is caught up with statements made in 2021/22 and can't actually understand whats the club is now and how it sees itself and more importantly how its own fan base and local sees it. but i guess pips with his binoculars from god know where the hell he is at, thinks he knows better and the fact he think he knows more than @Red&BlackBear who clearly knows what he is talking about, track record for all to read through out multiple posts is some funny stuff.

@titoelcolombiano youre also local to brissy yeah? phins support is spread. theyve even hard off field sessions all the way down in the northern rivers dont think it was ever publicised though

 

[SirPies&Beers]

NRL will benefit from the Perth Bears, argument on here has just been that Broncos and Dolphins are already covering the area, so the question then becomes why would you?
All your doing is creating diminishing returns like happened in Sydney when they added more and more clubs which reduced the catchment areas of the existing ones.

end of the day the nrl is taking it seriously, qrl is also pushing for it (arlc member), its been mentioned here that there's money for it and seems like its all lining up. should it be in front of nz2? probably not but why not both in say 15 years-20 years time? game will only get bigger. it can cater for it. brisbane is a rugby league mecca and i think if seqld wants another team, they should get one. in due time of course, definitely not right away.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

As you’ve often said, SA has been sorely neglected by the NRL. That’s going to be a hard option but we’ll see. Oh yeah and QLD 5.

About a year and a half ago Peter White, ceo of the Central Capras made a off cuff comment that if Capras had the resources they’d look at Adelaide/SA to establish some sort of connection with the SANRL.

Whether he was half serious, fully serious or just made the comment in the moment I’m not sure. He probably doesn’t even remember that he made it tbh but I mean that basically writes itself doesn’t it. Capra, Ram etc.

 

[Vlad59]

About a year and a half ago Peter White, ceo of the Central Capras made a off cuff comment that if Capras had the resources they’d look at Adelaide/SA to establish some sort of connection with the SANRL.

Whether he was half serious, fully serious or just made the comment in the moment I’m not sure. He probably doesn’t even remember that he made it tbh but I mean that basically writes itself doesn’t it. Capra, Ram etc.

NRL vic has taken over management of the game there I think and the comp has slightly grown. If he’s serious he’s got a big job ahead of him

 

[Growthegame]

I assume the Sunshine Coast game will be the current Perth game? The redevelopment is due to finish 2027 from memory. Or will they look to sell a home game interstate still and move a Dolphin Oval game?

The Perth game is going to Darwin for the next 3 years.

First of all, I'm not making that argument.

maybe not but that’s the argument he was responding to.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

its like @Pippen94 the man with glass pipes cant comprehend that phins and jets brands extend beyond their historical bases. as said in above post, i sees people wearing phins merch here near yamba more than any other nrl club. pips is caught up with statements made in 2021/22 and can't actually understand whats the club is now and how it sees itself and more importantly how its own fan base and local sees it. but i guess pips with his binoculars from god know where the hell he is at, thinks he knows better and the fact he think he knows more than @Red&BlackBear who clearly knows what he is talking about, track record for all to read through out multiple posts is some funny stuff.

@titoelcolombiano youre also local to brissy yeah? phins support is spread. theyve even hard off field sessions all the way down in the northern rivers dont think it was ever publicised though

I see support for the Phins city wide, I'm only one person, but I live in Logan and I'm a Phins member.

There's no doubt they will always have a connection to the Northside as their training base and spiritual home is at Redcliffe. But they are definitely trying to be a city wide team.

 

[Perth Red]

I see support for the Phins city wide, I'm only one person, but I live in Logan and I'm a Phins member.

There's no doubt they will always have a connection to the Northside as their training base and spiritual home is at Redcliffe. But they are definitely trying to be a city wide team.

Your a strange one! Your advocating for a third Brisbane team in an area that you yourself have signed up to be a Dolphins fan in lol You are the epitome of why we dont need to use another license up in Brisbane for a very long time, if ever.

 

[Wb1234]

I have to disagree with you there. The whole Dolphins calling themselves just Dolphins with no geographical connection in their name very much lines up with the main point that they made of trying to appeal as “Queensland’s” other team.

Their appeal and support isn’t contained to a particular region. There’s as much NRL Dolphins support in southern Brisbane as there is in northern Brisbane. The idea for Jets is to copy that same wider appeal model.



CBus proposal is no more than a temporary political move. Short term; to have another potential tenant to ensure upkeep and maintenance costs are at least equal to what the hire costs are. Currently, there’s a discrepancy with only Titans (both NRL and NRLW) teams playing there. Why all games couldn’t be at Suncorp is because of the early season cluster. 8 proposed games at Suncorp would be later in the season once super rugby and a league comps conclude.

Toowoomba is because Wagners are hovering as potential commercial partners. Sunshine Coast is because that ground is getting an Olympics upgrade. Dolphins will take a game there once those works conclude as well (that’s a fact).



Singo promises and rarely delivers. Further to this the NRL have moved away from guys like him decades ago. They enjoy his wider support but they shun any direct involvement with clubs. Under this proposal Jets would train and be based in Ipswich. Tigers would be commercial partners and a direct feeder (like Ipswich). Again, repeating myself here - these clubs have already jumped into bed to form a bid together in the past. This isn’t something new.

I’ve been doing some preliminary work with the people involved in the Jets concepts. No where as in-depth as my Bears involvement. Not even close really. Again, I need to stress this was one of a couple proposals and if I’m flagging it in detail here it likely means it’s not a candidate to move forward on.

I’ll share the others once they’re ready to be shared.

A team with no geographic base like that would be like wests tigers

No chance Pvl will accept it

Why would easts want to back a sw team that won’t take on their colours logo or history

I hope they run with that bid it’s no chance over Christchurch

On Suncorp availability the roar won’t be there long with crowds of 5k probably not the reds either

 

[Wb1234]

I don't need to live in Brisbane to know how world works. Just like you didn't need to live in Perth to argue with Perth red about expansion there for the past 12 months. Dolphins website literally state it's catchment area as starting in North Brisbane. 3rd Brisbane team is being pitched as western corridor side. It'll be based there, play there & have branding associated with area..but not local side sure lol!!

You’re spot on about the dolphins

When admitted the nrl said they wanted to target the northern coridoor

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www.dolphinsnrl.com.au

“The Dolphins NRL club will continue this legacy into the future with an even wider focus on our footprint that extends from Brisbane to the Moreton Bay and Brisbane northern corridor, to the Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay and Central Queensland regions.”

 

[Perth Red]

You’re spot on about the dolphins

When admitted the nrl said they wanted to target the northern coridoor

Development

Development

www.dolphinsnrl.com.au

“The Dolphins NRL club will continue this legacy into the future with an even wider focus on our footprint that extends from Brisbane to the Moreton Bay and Brisbane northern corridor, to the Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay and Central Queensland regions.”

Given how quickly they abandoned the Sunshine coast that does feel like it was a bit of furphy to justify bringing them in and appeasing Broncos that they wouldn't be targeting the entire metro.

Had a good chat with Dolphins CEO at HBF park and it was interesting talking to him about their brand success and how they deliberately decided to go for a more youthful approach to differentiate from Broncos and how its paid off with the number of kids and families who've become Phins fans.