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Broncos in salary cap trouble

bottle

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Oh dear indeed.

You seem to be a tad confused between 3rd party and extra-cap payments.
You also don't seem to be aware that if the player could end up at any club that this what the High Court has ruled against. Restricting players and clubs negotiating directly is a clear restraint of trade. It's illegal, not allowed, naughty.

I fail to see where club members came into it at all.

Your final line sums it all up really. It's a restraint of trade.
 

TruSaint

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Oh dear indeed.

You seem to be a tad confused between 3rd party and extra-cap payments.
You also don't seem to be aware that if the player could end up at any club that this what the High Court has ruled against. Restricting players and clubs negotiating directly is a clear restraint of trade. It's illegal, not allowed, naughty.

I fail to see where club members came into it at all.

Your final line sums it all up really. It's a restraint of trade.

Im a little bit lost as to the debate in the thread re salary cap, but will weigh in with a layman's opinion. If contested the cap would be quashed. Just my opinion. Im pretty sure 5 out of 10 legal eagles would agree.

The issue lies in the "purpose" of the cap. What is it meant to achieve, and by doing so does it breach the ability of those under the cap to maximise their potential.

1. Protecting the interest of the NRL.
2. Reasonableness in reference to the parties.
3. The interests of the public.

Here is a very intersting paragraph for those whom have an interest.

A ‘level playing field’ is a fundamental aim of the salary cap. However, when considering the results of the regular season and the Final Series it is debatable as to whether the salary cap has achieved this goal.

The results illustrate that from 1979-89, ten years prior to the salary cap’s introduction, the Premiership was shared amongst five clubs. In the ten years following the salary cap’s introduction, this increased to seven teams. This is only a superficial analysis and fails to take into account the increase in teams during this period from ‘12… in the 1970’s to a peak of 20 in the mid-1990’s’ which might account for the higher pool of clubs experiencing Premiership success.

Other factors could be considered as indicative of a more level playing field, like the number of draws, greater propensity for a team finishing in the bottom half of the ladder one year, to rise to the top half of the ladder the next and the spread of points scored and conceded between teams.

None of these however have differed markedly in the post, compared to the pre-salary cap era. Indeed, there is little agreement as to methods to evaluate the evenness of competition with differing results dependent on the measure used. This suggests that perhaps the salary cap has not led to a more even competition.


Many will say the cap has saved clubs from extinction.
In my humble opinion, the cap hasn't saved anyone from extinction without the governing body dipping into their pockets.

This is only one part of a very complex puzzle when it come to salary caps and one more example of its fragility below.

For players, the starting position must be, that prima facie, the salary cap restricts their ability to maximise their earning capacity playing rugby league in Australia; their choice trade.

It could also be argued that the salary cap prevents players moving to their choice club. This was demonstrated in the case of Brett Kimmorley when he wanted to join the St George-Illawarra Dragons due to his club, the Northern Eagles, being unable to fulfill their contractual obligations.


While St-George Illawarra was willing to remunerate Kimmorley similarly to the Northern Eagles, the move could not happen because of St George-Illawarra’s position under the salary cap.

The situation was resolved by Kimmorley moving to the Cronulla Sharks and having to sign a reduced contract. This scenario clearly illustrates a situation where a player had ‘to reduce his income [and] also [had] to choose another employer’.

These arguments are persuasive as to why the salary cap is an unreasonable restraint of trade in regard to the players. The restraint becomes even more questionable when it is remembered that such restraints are extremely rare for any other profession.

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Food for thought.
 
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bottle

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Tru, interesting. I have seen references before (can't recall where) where it has been mentioned that the cap is fragile territory. I believe the view of those legal lernin' is that it could in fact be challenged and found wanting. I think the thing that keeps it ticking is that it is supported in general terms by the players (and probably the RLPA) because there is a general acceptance that it is for the good of the game.
If they turned on it en masse they could probably kill it with enough legal clout.

That said, they don't support a draft, one of the reasons we will never see one in RL (there are other reasons related to a greater diversity of choice for RL players).
 

TruSaint

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Tru, interesting. I have seen references before (can't recall where) where it has been mentioned that the cap is fragile territory. I believe the view of those legal lernin' is that it could in fact be challenged and found wanting. I think the thing that keeps it ticking is that it is supported in general terms by the players (and probably the RLPA) because there is a general acceptance that it is for the good of the game.
If they turned on it en masse they could probably kill it with enough legal clout.

That said, they don't support a draft, one of the reasons we will never see one in RL (there are other reasons related to a greater diversity of choice for RL players).

Yes mate I agree.

Take away the Players Association, the heads of the NRL, it would be an ugly case.
The grounds they rest on are very delicate. There have been 3 cases that I know of whereby the validity of the cap was to be challenged, only to be avoided by arbitration and ( i dont know for sure ), but remuneration of some sort.

In my opinion, and I am no lawyer, the fact that this industry is now a billion dollar entity, with Tv rights, etc, it wont take long for a disgruntled player, manager or lawyer to take up the challenge.

Where there's money, you can bet there will be a fight.

PS I am not a supporter of the draft either. Thats a different animal all together.
 

brissiedragon

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Brisbane have had a number of rich businessmen behind the club since it's inception. Brisbane have compiled some amazing talent over the years especially during their dream run of the 90's. Draw your own conclusions. I am a big fan of the NBL point system where each player is allocated points. The beauty of the system is it doesn't matter how much you pay a player, the point system evens out the talent across teams. The system could be adapted for any sporting game.
My concern is that the rich clubs and/or the clubs with private support prosper without a system to stop additional benefits (visible or otherwise) to players.

http://www.nbl.com.au/salary-cap-player-points
 

goodplayer

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media reports of broncos offering , giving land , house , deals to relatives . as part of a 5th party scam deals
 

TheRev

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The Broncos were only uncovered because of an internal whistleblower (i.e. same as the Storm), how ridiculous is it that we cant monitor our own salary cap system?

God knows how wide-spread it goes amongst the other clubs (roosters heading the bunch), surely if the NRL cant manage under this system, its time for a change.
 

bottle

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I'm a fan in principle of a hybrid salary cap/points system.
Don't ask me how it would work or who/how points are allocated, I don't even pretend to be that smart.
However on the surface it presents an opportunity to provide a more balanced outcome.
 

Slippery Morris

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Salary Cap should be simple. 2 Million per club only to be spent on players from another NRL club. If you have a junior then they are excluded. That then allows each club to get 4 x 500k players or 8 x 250 players if they need to spread the cap money to bring in more talent. If you want the big Marquee signing spend the whole 2 million on 1 player or get 2 players on 1 million. That way teams are forced to spend on junior development. NRL keeps the registration of all players so they know which junior club the player has played for.

As soon as a player hits 150 games (which includes NYC) for the same club then the player is excluded from the cap. So that equates to 2 full seasons of NYC and 4 of NRL (if injury free of course). 6 Years for the 1 club. So basically when the player completes his first NRL contract of 4 years and is proven himself good enough for the club then they can keep him for any amount they want. Players then have to think about going to a club with a restricted salary cap structure or stay at the junior club and know that they can possibly earn more as there is no limit.

The club also has last say on transfers for that players so if the player gets approached by say the Dogs offering 700k, the club can trump that offer to 701k and it is not counted as part of the salary cap.
All transfers must be in writing and presented to the Junior club so they can make a final offer to the player. .
 

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