Buderus

[Jono078]

Hookers are usually rated on their quality of service and defense last I noticed..

 

[gronkathon]

I think it is more about trying to at least partially match the Queensland system. They have three genuine strike playmakers and a explosive fullback who can work off any of them

 

[Danish]

why are we rating hookers on their TA's and LBA's? is this some new thing that i missed the memo on? a fantasy league generation thing?

Name any method whatsoever used to rate hookers and I guarantee Buderus ain't anywhere near the top of the ladder.

He's done nothing this year. Makes a standard 30 odd tackles that every hooker in the game makes, while setting up no attacking play whatsoever nor possessing anything resembling a kicking game.

Farah and Hinchcliffe are fare more deserving of the blues no.9 jersey than he, although personally I'd go with Hinchcliffe as he is not a proven origin dud like Farah is.

 

[Danish]

Hookers are usually rated on their quality of service and defense last I noticed..

Quality service generally leads to a few try/line break assists over 9 hours of footy.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Hookers are usually rated on their quality of service and defense last I noticed..

Well hows this for a stat: farah misses less tackles then buderus per game and plays more minutes

 

[Johns Magic]

Name any method whatsoever used to rate hookers and I guarantee Buderus ain't anywhere near the top of the ladder.

He's done nothing this year. Makes a standard 30 odd tackles that every hooker in the game makes, while setting up no attacking play whatsoever nor possessing anything resembling a kicking game.

Farah and Hinchcliffe are fare more deserving of the blues no.9 jersey than he, although personally I'd go with Hinchcliffe as he is not a proven origin dud like Farah is.

"Makes a standard 30 odd tackles that every hooker in the game makes".

You either only read the stats or don't know how to watch a defensive line.

Buderus may not be an attacking dynamo, but his defense is better than any other hooker out there.

 

[Jono078]

Well hows this for a stat: farah misses less tackles then buderus per game and plays more minutes

I haven't looked at no stats.

But I know Danny would attempt more big shots / one-on-one tackles more than Farah.

I've seen them both defend, Id want Bedsy any day over Farah when it comes to defense. Especially goal line.

 

[Danish]

"Makes a standard 30 odd tackles that every hooker in the game makes".

You either only read the stats or don't know how to watch a defensive line.

Buderus may not be an attacking dynamo, but his defense is better than any other hooker out there.

Cameron Smith is a better at everything than Buderus, including defence, although Buderus is still a good defender.

Does not in any way make him a walk up start for NSW

 

[Johns Magic]

Well hows this for a stat: farah misses less tackles then buderus per game and plays more minutes

I can just imagine how much anyone who has played in the NRL would be laughing at you right now for trying to imply Farah is a better defender than Buderus.

Jarrod Mullen defends better than Farah.

 

[Allstar Knights]

Criticise Buderus of his age and his attacking stats all you like, but I guarantee he'll be one of the first players for the blues rushing up out of the line and chopping down blokes 3 times his size. He'll give his all for NSW.

Farah is a more giftted player atm and I would not be against him playing for NSW if he can continue his form from yesterday, but Buderus is the deserving NSW hooker at the moment.

 

[Vic Mackey]

I just asked 37 nrl players and they all said farah is a better defender then buderus and Mullen combined

 

[Johns Magic]

Cameron Smith is a better at everything than Buderus, including defence, although Buderus is still a good defender.

Does not in any way make him a walk up start for NSW

Buderus is a better defender than Cam Smith. Running around and being second-man in on a heap of tackles after your props make the initial tackle doesn't make you a better defender than a guy making first contact more often than not. This is also why you'll get geniused stats like Farah(who is the biggest culprit of hiding behind his pack) missing less tackles than Buderus.

Smith is a good defender, but not in the way Buderus is. He has it miles ahead of Buderus in every other category.

And very quickly you've gone from saying Buderus would be nowhere near the top of any category to only naming Smith as a better defender.

 

[perverse]

how does Buderus rate in the leadership and inspiration category? as a bloke that others want to bleed for?

oh shit, no stats for that.

 

[perverse]

I just asked 37 nrl players and they all said farah is a better defender then buderus and Mullen combined

Tigers squad, yeah?

:lol:

 

[R2Coupe]

The big plus for Farah is his combination with Pearce. This was displayed last year and again this year in City v Country games.

Whomever you believe to be the better hooker, being a good defender is simply not good enough.

 

[Danish]

Buderus is a better defender than Cam Smith. Running around and being second-man in on a heap of tackles after your props make the initial tackle doesn't make you a better defender than a guy making first contact more often than not. This is also why you'll get geniused stats like Farah(who is the biggest culprit of hiding behind his pack) missing less tackles than Buderus.

Smith is a good defender, but not in the way Buderus is. He has it miles ahead of Buderus in every other category.

And very quickly you've gone from saying Buderus would be nowhere near the top of any category to only naming Smith as a better defender.

Ranking a hooker on 1 single aspect of their game is not a method for ranking hookers.

Buderus's defence lifts his overall ranking, but his devoid of any other qualities is what will always see him drop to the middle of the pack no matter what overall method you want to apply to rank the NRL's current hookers.

 

[gronkathon]

I think the point that alot of Knights fans are raising is Butterball has the intangibles (sp?) which I have no doubt he does.

There is also a misconception amongst many that Farah is the same aloof, arrogant prick he was when he first made Origin. If anything his time in the wilderness has made Robbie a far more likeable character. I think Robbie also is developing those intangible qualities that comes from embracing leadership and your own flaws.

He should have been blodded properly with Buderus in the first place but was never given the chance because guys like Mason and Hindmarsh closed ranks and basically said they didn't want Farah. It was a symptom of alot of guys being close to the end of their rep usefullnes and using Bedsy as a case for them as well

Pick them both.

You cant though because Gids is guaranteed a spot

 

[Jono078]

No one has said pick Buderus on his defense. Tigers looney decided to throw a stat up to say Farah is a better defender, it shouldn't even be a debate when it comes to that..

 

[perverse]

a lot of people don't believe in the intangibles of Rugby League, gronk. Brian Smith would have won premierships by now if they didn't exist. intangibles are the reason why the Knights beat Parramatta in '01. they're the reason the Knights beat manly in '97. you can see why Knights fans believe in intangibles very strongly. our club is built on them from the foundation up, and Buderus is the absolute personification of everything the club stands for.

 

[Rod]

"Just got ambushed for the NSW Hooker position by Buderus. Pretty pissed off ATM to be honest."