Bulldog Will Hopoate will not play rugby league on Sundays for religious reasons

[Bring it home Knights]

Some people have beliefs based on emotions and faith.

Some people will aside tentatively to something that involves facts and logic.

Generally most atheists don't have a belief that there is no god, rather they will withhold belief until it can be demonstrated.

I can be told that I have a belief that there isn't an invisible dragon in the store room where I work. When in reality I am withholding belief in this claim until it can be demonstrated.

Faith leads to insane beliefs ie Jesus is the son of god, or that the Easter Bunny is real. To not believe in these things is withholding a belief. Prove that the Easter Bunny is real and I will believe it, same goes for religion.

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Back to Hopoate... I'm sure he will discover a loop hole if they make the GF. He'll come out and say something like the game of Rugby league is more of a sport in his heart than a job, so his imaginary friend will allow him to play. I'd be amazed if he misses a grand final as a result of the brain washing he has received.

 

[Bretto]

And,as I stated before,and with respect,this IS your belief as people of fait have theirs.

Religious people,and non Religious people have beliefs.

My beliefs are based in the real world and on reason and logic. Religious ideas are not. That's the crucial difference. And, like I said before, if you want to believe those ideas, that's fine, however, not only should they not leave your house, but you're also failing to reason logically within reality. Which again, is fine, as long as you admit that. "I know X is true, but the Bible/Quran tells me differently, so I choose to believe that instead on faith".

 

[Galeforce]

I'm sure you're saying that from a place of ignorance and don't really mean it. I mean, this idea that anyone can do whatever they want unless it doesn't impact on them or their way of life is to not recognise the plight of other humans.

By that logic, I can commit genocide freely, as long as it doesn't affect the way you want to live. I can rape and steal, as long as I don't affect you.

This type of thinking is to disregard all other human life in favour of your own.

I do mean it . However you appear to have got hung up on "I" . "I" is a mighty big word and in reality covers each person , they are their own "I" . I talk for myself and each other person can talk themselves........when a majority of "I" are affected they join together and do something about it because it is important ......else it is not.

At the same time , i am not going to get up and go somewhere to fix other people's problems if they cannot agree themselves or worse have a different view to mine. If you feel strongly about that , why are you here and on this forum.......surely there are more pressing problems for self righteous person to go and fix .

 

[beave]

the NFL boys are pretty religious.

Imagine if they refused to play on sundays........

Just throwing it out there.

If Hopoate loses his job or has to accept a severely reduced wage in response to his stance, I'm sure his god/church will change his mind for him and he will play on Sundays......

 

[drago brelli]

the NFL boys are pretty religious.

Imagine if they refused to play on sundays........

Just throwing it out there.

If Hopoate loses his job or has to accept a severely reduced wage in response to his stance, I'm sure his god/church will change his mind for him and he will play on Sundays......

The 'Gods' in he game today are the player managers. If Hopa looks like losing money so will his manager. His manager would probably advise him to change religions.

 

[Frank Discussion]

How do you figure? My assertion is that religion is made up. This is objectively verifiable by the 30,000+ religions world wide whom all claim to have the truth. This isn't just my belief, but an objectively reasoned assertion.

If you wanted to argue that idea, you would need to provide evidence that religion isn't made up.

Have fun.

The old "I know God doesn't exist and everyone else who doesn't think this way is stupid" rationale. The irony of this aggressive form of atheism is that it's every bit as dogmatic as the "GOd X exits and if you don't believe you are going to hell".

Please tell me Bretto if you are talking about logic and facts what position of expertise do you hold on theism? Did you study it? Do you have a degree in Theism or metaphysical science or religious history? Because if you just woke up one day and decided that God doesn't exist based on your personal experience you are just like every other punter, super convicted in your (a)theism but largely ignorant on the subject.

 

[Snappy]

IMO the world would be a much better place without any form of religion

 

[Aus_Dog]

Not sure what to think of this to be honest. On one hand I think good on him for sticking to his beliefs, but on the other hand it seems to open a bit of a can of worms for ppl to put religious clauses into their contracts.

It's a team game though and if he can't fully commit to the team, maybe he needs to look at another career

 

[Frank Discussion]

IMO the world would be a much better place without any form of religion

Won't happen. Belief in some sort of a deity has been an inate part of humanity since the dawn of time.

And sure, religion is responsible for a long list of real shit stuff but it provides billions with meaning and purpose along with support and assistance to the poor and needy and lonely.

 

[Bretto]

The old "I know God doesn't exist and everyone else who doesn't think this way is stupid" rationale. The irony of this aggressive form of atheism is that it's every bit as dogmatic as the "GOd X exits and if you don't believe you are going to hell".

Please tell me Bretto if you are talking about logic and facts what position of expertise do you hold on theism? Did you study it? Do you have a degree in Theism or metaphysical science or religious history? Because if you just woke up one day and decided that God doesn't exist based on your personal experience you are just like every other punter, super convicted in your (a)theism but largely ignorant on the subject.

My position is, as I've mentioned a number of times now, in the absence of evidence, the default position is a lack of belief in a god until such time as evidence is provided for the existence of a god. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because I say I need evidence to believe something, doesn't mean I'm saying it's not true, just that I would need evidence to believe that it is true. So if you take this to mean, "I don't believe in X because of Y", then you're mistaken and should read it again.

I don't need a degree in theism or metaphysical anything. The metaphysical isn't objectively and justifiably real. You'd need to prove it is, otherwise my stance remains to reject the assertion until you can.

 

[Bretto]

Won't happen. Belief in some sort of a deity has been an inate part of humanity since the dawn of time.

And sure, religion is responsible for a long list of real shit stuff but it provides billions with meaning and purpose along with support and assistance to the poor and needy and lonely.

So do drugs.

 

[dogslife]

My position is, as I've mentioned a number of times now

Yeah. You have. Please stop.

 

[drago brelli]

Won't happen. Belief in some sort of a deity has been an inate part of humanity since the dawn of time.

And sure, religion is responsible for a long list of real shit stuff but it provides billions with meaning and purpose along with support and assistance to the poor and needy and lonely.

Bertrand Russell wrote this "There is something feeble and a little contemptible about man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myth".

 

[Frank Discussion]

Bertrand Russell wrote this "There is something feeble and a little contemptible about man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myth".

And yet billions do.

 

[Frank Discussion]

My position is, as I've mentioned a number of times now, in the absence of evidence, the default position is a lack of belief in a god until such time as evidence is provided for the existence of a god. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because I say I need evidence to believe something, doesn't mean I'm saying it's not true, just that I would need evidence to believe that it is true. So if you take this to mean, "I don't believe in X because of Y", then you're mistaken and should read it again.

I don't need a degree in theism or metaphysical anything. The metaphysical isn't objectively and justifiably real. You'd need to prove it is, otherwise my stance remains to reject the assertion until you can.

Yes you have stated your positon multiple times. Almost preaching now.

So you have no formal training or qualifications on theism or theology? Right. You are welcome to your opinion but considering that it comes from no position of expertise why should what you say carry any weight? What gives you the right to judge any belief set?

 

[Bretto]

Yes you have stated your positon multiple times. Almost preaching now.

So you have no formal training or qualifications on theism or theology? Right. You are welcome to your opinion but considering that it comes from no position of expertise why should what you say carry any weight? What gives you the right to judge any belief set?

My only statement in relation to judging a belief set, is that religion is made up. Make a case against that position if you want.

 

[Shorty]

Not sure what to think of this to be honest. On one hand I think good on him for sticking to his beliefs, but on the other hand it seems to open a bit of a can of worms for ppl to put religious clauses into their contracts.

It's a team game though and if he can't fully commit to the team, maybe he needs to look at another career

Nah there are actually a lot of religious players in the NRL and there's definitely quite a few LDS.
I'm wondering if Hopoate is higher up in the LDS Church and this is why he wants Sundays off.
There's a hierarchy in the church and once you've gone on your mission you can move up very quickly.

Either way as long as the dogs and Hopoate have an agreement in place not sure why people would have a problem.
I'm beginning to wonder if Bretto is actually Richard Dawkins lol.

 

[Frank Discussion]

Nah there are actually a lot of religious players in the NRL and there's definitely quite a few LDS.
I'm wondering if Hopoate is higher up in the LDS Church and this is why he wants Sundays off.
There's a hierarchy in the church and once you've gone on your mission you can move up very quickly.

Either way as long as the dogs and Hopoate have an agreement in place not sure why people would have a problem.
I'm beginning to wonder if Bretto is actually Richard Dawkins lol.

Nah Dawkins at least has some formal training.

 

[Bretto]

Ad hominem attacks. :lol: