Bulldogs fans at it again

[Loudstrat]

Your response to this incident is hysterical. You are claiming the actions of two complete, utter f**kwits represent the supporter base of an entire club, when nothing could be further from the truth. There were approximately 16,998 other Bulldogs fans (assuming we represented half the crowd) who in all likelihood didn't commit any criminal act, and who respectfully went in and out of the stadium. It is unfathomable from a reasonable person why you believe it is somehow reflective on the club management that two people committed a criminal act simply because they support the club. The club can't and won't sweep it under the rug, and may even as you suggest investigate, however it is a police matter - a power far greater than the Canterbury RLFC.

A lot of the stuff being said in this thread is an overreaction. Targetting a rugby league club for a criminal problem involving two absolute f**kwits is absurd.

Who said there were two????

Sounds like you were there, Timmah.

All those years of watching Law and Order have paid off

What about 'Dogs fans who haven't done anything wrong?

I'm sure both of them can still go to games.

 

[Timmah]

Loudstrat, would you suggest a criminal check on every person wishing to enter an NRL ground?

What if you learned of an Eels supporter committing an armed robbery down on Church St one day, would you be satisfied with that person attending an NRL match?

Put it in perspective and wake up to yourself.


As for two - just recalling what I heard on 2GB this afternoon, they said something about suspecting two people. Unless I'm getting my wires crossed and it was two people who complained to the police.

Either way - semantics and you're completely avoiding my point.

FWIW, Garts has basically hit the nail on the head.

 

[Glenn]

Does that warrant the hysteria shown throughout this thread? Honestly?

For blatant criminal damage yes.

 

[Timmah]

Noone would deny that, I haven't either. Does it warrant the attack on the club itself or the ludicrous claims that Greenberg should foot the bill?

It'd be like asking Osborne to make restitution for an Eels fan assaulting a homeless bum in Church Street Mall..

 

[20knights10]

Does that warrant the hysteria shown throughout this thread? Honestly?

Yes. Especially when your immediate reaction is to defend the club. When it is most common for it to be Bulldogs supporters making headlines for all the wrong reasons one would expect a more appropriate response from the genuine supporters here to be one of condemnation rather than defense, especially one with your impressive post count. The club is obviously doing a good job but it can be seen that the job is far from complete, so if a reintroduction of strong measures may divert the clubs unsavory fans from attending and desroying the good work the club has done so far then surely it's a price worth paying.

With that said I can see a rather huge increase in over insured cars getting decorated in exorbitant team colours at future Dogs games, and parked in low lit streets in close proximity to rolling jukeboxes.

 

[Glenn]

As mentioned elsewhere, unfortunatly the actions of these "fans" reflects on the fans and club as a whole.
Likewise when Parramatta had the moronic few throwing coins at Judas, only a few idiots involved but reflects badly on the 99.9% of well behaved fans and the club.

 

[Eels Dude]

Where did I say, anywhere at all, that I agree with what those criminals did?
In fact on two occasions in my second post I actually labelled them criminals myself, and said clearly that I believe the "cretins" should be dealt with by the police.

"Doga gets it"... because you agree with him? :lol: Have you gone back over every single one of my 70k+ posts to be absolutely sure I haven't labelled the actions of these fools indefensible? I'm sure if you bothered, rather than making wild claims, you'd know I have, not only in this post but in plenty of other threads. I won't defend the morons, however I will defend the club.

Your response to this incident is hysterical. You are claiming the actions of two complete, utter f**kwits represent the supporter base of an entire club, when nothing could be further from the truth. There were approximately 16,998 other Bulldogs fans (assuming we represented half the crowd) who in all likelihood didn't commit any criminal act, and who respectfully went in and out of the stadium. It is unfathomable from a reasonable person why you believe it is somehow reflective on the club management that two people committed a criminal act simply because they support the club. The club can't and won't sweep it under the rug, and may even as you suggest investigate, however it is a police matter - a power far greater than the Canterbury RLFC.

What about 'Dogs fans who haven't done anything wrong?

Of course I've not bothered. That'd be like looking for a needle in a field full of nothing but cow s**t. Not gonna waste my time with that but if you'll provide me with the relevent posts I'll happily look. It may have been, two, three, four, ten people involved for all you know (or do you know more?). I'm not blaming the club management at all, they're fed up with this bulls**t more than most that's why they need to take a stand and also convince fans at other clubs that they can be safe and be respected when attending away games and this would be a very good start. I wouldn't blame any supporter for refusing to attend a Bulldogs home game after this and I bet the Bulldogs club wouldn't either. That's not good for your club mate. This incident has undone any efforts your club has to improve the image and unfortunately it's up to the Bulldogs to address that. Cops can only do so much with limited evidence as to who's guilty... The Bulldogs at least have an oppurtunity (yet again) to make a stand against their supporters acting with so little respect.

 

[20knights10]

Noone would deny that, I haven't either. Does it warrant the attack on the club itself or the ludicrous claims that Greenberg should foot the bill?

It'd be like asking Osborne to make restitution for an Eels fan assaulting a homeless bum in Church Street Mall..

You can't be serious. Perhaps if the bum was dressed in the opposition's jersey and the thugs threw blue and yellow paint on him, oh and he was a car. Of course this would also require that the eels just lost and the bum/car was in close proximity of the recent game.

 

[Timmah]

As mentioned elsewhere, unfortunatly the actions of these "fans" reflects on the fans and club as a whole.
Likewise when Parramatta had the moronic few throwing coins at Judas, only a few idiots involved but reflects badly on the 99.9% of well behaved fans and the club.

Spot on - 100% right. I know plenty of Parra fans personally who are all salt-of-the-earth great people. Most of the fans, if not all, on LU are decent in the dealings I've had with them too - and I'm sure it's probably the case with most 'Dogs fans too.

Yes. Especially when your immediate reaction is to defend the club. When it is most common for it to be Bulldogs supporters making headlines for all the wrong reasons one would expect a more appropriate response from the genuine supporters here to be one of condemnation rather than defense, especially one with your impressive post count. The club is obviously doing a good job but it can be seen that the job is far from complete, so if a reintroduction of strong measures may divert the clubs unsavory fans from attending and desroying the good work the club has done so far then surely it's a price worth paying.

With that said I can see a rather huge increase in over insured cars getting decorated in exorbitant team colours at future Dogs games, and parked in low lit streets in close proximity to rolling jukeboxes.

Why shouldn't I defend the club? The attacks in this thread came before my defence of the club. It's the same generalising rubbish over and over instead of constructive criticisms. Facts still remain what happened is a criminal matter and the people who committed those acts are hopefully found and punished to the full extent of the law.

Tell me, exactly what measures can the club introduce to govern cars parked on streets around the precinct?

I imagine you'll struggle to answer that one.

 

[ANTiLAG]

What a preaparation list.

Tickets to the game - check
Blue jacket - check
White scarf - check
Banner "go the Doggies" - check
1 can Blue paint - check
1 can White paint - check
1 Household brick - oh shiyat - knew i forgot something.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

You can't catch the train to a bulldogs match, and now you can't take the car. Why would you bother going when you are likely to be the target of these foolish bulldogs fans.

I am writing to the nrl right now to voice my disapproval of the bulldogs playing night matches. It seems to be when the bulldogs supporters are out of control.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Timmah - develop a sense of humour. If the dogs were comming first this thread would be an all out assault. The fact you're not in the eight means you guys are getting off light.

 

[Timmah]

Of course I've not bothered. That'd be like looking for a needle in a field full of nothing but cow s**t. Not gonna waste my time with that but if you'll provide me with the relevent posts I'll happily look. It may have been, two, three, four, ten people involved for all you know (or do you know more?). I'm not blaming the club management at all, they're fed up with this bulls**t more than most that's why they need to take a stand and also convince fans at other clubs that they can be safe and be respected when attending away games and this would be a very good start. I wouldn't blame any supporter for refusing to attend a Bulldogs home game after this and I bet the Bulldogs club wouldn't either. That's not good for your club mate. This incident has undone any efforts your club has to improve the image and unfortunately it's up to the Bulldogs to address that. Cops can only do so much with limited evidence as to who's guilty... The Bulldogs at least have an oppurtunity (yet again) to make a stand against their supporters acting with so little respect.

I saw "take a stand" mentioned twice in that little rant - what stand do you propose they take?

Employ a security guard to keep watch over every car in the precinct?

Cops can only do so much? What can the Bulldogs do?

I'm sick of "the club should do this or that" statements with little clue as to what the club can actually do.

 

[BDH]

Sweeping blanket statements and blaming of an entire club's fanbase for the actions of a few is ridiculous.

Regards,

LeagueUnlimited Storm Fanbase.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I saw "take a stand" mentioned twice in that little rant - what stand do you propose they take?

Employ a security guard to keep watch over every car in the precinct?

Cops can only do so much? What can the Bulldogs do?

I'm sick of "the club should do this or that" statements with little clue as to what the club can actually do.

Yes I think hiring a whole heap of security guards would be a good start.

Ps "take a stand" was only mentioned once by eels dude.

 

[20knights10]

Spot on - 100% right. I know plenty of Parra fans personally who are all salt-of-the-earth great people. Most of the fans, if not all, on LU are decent in the dealings I've had with them too - and I'm sure it's probably the case with most 'Dogs fans too.

Why shouldn't I defend the club? The attacks in this thread came before my defence of the club. It's the same generalising rubbish over and over instead of constructive criticisms. Facts still remain what happened is a criminal matter and the people who committed those acts are hopefully found and punished to the full extent of the law.

Tell me, exactly what measures can the club introduce to govern cars parked on streets around the precinct?

I imagine you'll struggle to answer that one.

I saw "take a stand" mentioned twice in that little rant - what stand do you propose they take?

Employ a security guard to keep watch over every car in the precinct?

Cops can only do so much? What can the Bulldogs do?

I'm sick of "the club should do this or that" statements with little clue as to what the club can actually do.

Stand down from night games until they can show that they're going to be serious about getting rid of the filth that attends these games. It's pretty obvious this was a planned attack and since security on trains had to be increased at the completion of dogs games the next target would always be the easy one of supporters who don't want to park in the designated spots.

Frankly you should be asking these questions of your club, not faceless internet personalities.

 

[Timmah]

Yes I think hiring a whole heap of security guards would be a good start.

Ps "take a stand" was only mentioned once by eels dude.

Pedant. Take a stand once, make a stand once. Put together = twice.

Stand down from night games until they can show that they're going to be serious about getting rid of the filth that attends these games. It's pretty obvious this was a planned attack and since security on trains had to be increased at the completion of dogs games the next target would always be the easy one of supporters who don't want to park in the designated spots.

Frankly you should be asking these questions of your club, not faceless internet personalities.

Stand down from night games = NRL/Nine/FOX Sports decision. Club can't do much about that save for a request. Even then, do last nights actions warrant that? Either way, not really a club problem, or something that the club can solve.

Planned attack? :lol: You make it sound like the Bulldogs fanbase as a whole had meetings and chose to attack a certain car. Get real, and stop being hysterical.

How about we look at it for what it is - criminals committing criminal acts who the responsible authority - the NSW police force - should be seeking out and prosecuting.

 

[Loudstrat]

Loudstrat, would you suggest a criminal check on every person wishing to enter an NRL ground?

What if you learned of an Eels supporter committing an armed robbery down on Church St one day, would you be satisfied with that person attending an NRL match?

Put it in perspective and wake up to yourself.


As for two - just recalling what I heard on 2GB this afternoon, they said something about suspecting two people. Unless I'm getting my wires crossed and it was two people who complained to the police.

Either way - semantics and you're completely avoiding my point.

FWIW, Garts has basically hit the nail on the head.

FFS Timmah, whenever one of your doggie brethren act like this you get all serious and defend the club like yyour are it's own private bodyguard. Then you tell everyone it's not the club.

Guess what.

WE F*CKING KNOW!!!!!

Yet - every big game the Dogs have at ANZ at night involves some kind of violence. Remember the pregnant woman last year? The numerous train vandalisms and assaults? And now this?

And youi expect people not to whinge?

Your response is the same every time. And appropriate for one off incidents: Those responsible are criminals, not representative of the typical Dogs fan, and should be dealt with by the law.

So either the law isn't dealing with it, or it;s a sh*t load of Dogs supporters with a culture of violent and destructive behaviour.

Either way. the club has a duty of care to do more than they are doing. Years ago we heard of trolling through the fans network to find the perps. Has there been any arrests yet?

You are like the worst Storm supporters defending the salary cap cheating because it's your club. Trouble is, the rest of us supporting decent clubs (and Manly) would happily turn on those representing our clubs if they did the wrong thing.

It's about time one of your 70 000 posts showed that same attitude.

 

[Eels Dude]

I saw "take a stand" mentioned twice in that little rant - what stand do you propose they take?

Employ a security guard to keep watch over every car in the precinct?

Cops can only do so much? What can the Bulldogs do?

I'm sick of "the club should do this or that" statements with little clue as to what the club can actually do.

Why not? If this sort of this is going to happen then they should consider it. Let opposition supporters attend games without having to risk such things happening. If not, then other clubs should simply ban anyone wearing a Bulldogs jersey from attending their home games. How would you like that? Your attitude is pathetic really, you seem to think whatever happens the Bulldogs club should just sit back and say "It's not our problem, it's a criminal matter", what happens when an opposition supporter gets a brick thrown at their head as opposed to their car window?

For the sake of your club they have to do something, otherwise opposition fans will stop attending your games and that hurts your club only really whether it comes to attendence and sponsorship etc.

 

[20knights10]

Pedant. Take a stand once, make a stand once. Put together = twice.

Stand down from night games = NRL/Nine/FOX Sports decision. Club can't do much about that save for a request. Even then, do last nights actions warrant that? Either way, not really a club problem, or something that the club can solve.

Planned attack? :lol: You make it sound like the Bulldogs fanbase as a whole had meetings and chose to attack a certain car. Get real, and stop being hysterical.

How about we look at it for what it is - criminals committing criminal acts who the responsible authority - the NSW police force - should be seeking out and prosecuting.

Take your own advice. Where did I make it sound like anything like that? I said it was planned because the offenders had particular colours of paint on them! You've got a nerve claiming others are getting hysterical.

And why not stand down from night games? This is not an isolated incident and unfortunately there are many instances where the majority must suffer for the actions of the minority.