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Bazal

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I feel Warne might not last that long before Seven "poach" him.

That feeling might be hope.
 

Timbo

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I feel Warne might not last that long before Seven "poach" him.

That feeling might be hope.

There was an article a little while back about how Nine, Seven and Fox all wanted to sign Warne before this season. Nine were going to keep him doing WWOS stuff, and the other two for the commentary.

Apparently he went with Fox because he has an axe to grind with Seven over something they reported him doing once. So he’s not signing with them, sadly.

The thing is, I don’t know a single person who enjoys his commentary. Yes, he has a wonderful cricket brain but he just can’t help himself - it takes all of ten minutes before he trots our ‘Mark Taylor was the best captain I played under’ or ‘People always say they wish I was the Australian captain’. And before long he’s pushing for some mediocre Victorian to be in the test team, or a leggie with a FC average of 55 because Lyon is an offie and offies aren’t good enough for test cricket.

I just don’t get why these networks keep falling over themselves for his signature. Seven and Fox both told Clarke they weren’t interested because of public opinion - why not Warne?
 

Bazal

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There was an article a little while back about how Nine, Seven and Fox all wanted to sign Warne before this season. Nine were going to keep him doing WWOS stuff, and the other two for the commentary.

Apparently he went with Fox because he has an axe to grind with Seven over something they reported him doing once. So he’s not signing with them, sadly.

The thing is, I don’t know a single person who enjoys his commentary. Yes, he has a wonderful cricket brain but he just can’t help himself - it takes all of ten minutes before he trots our ‘Mark Taylor was the best captain I played under’ or ‘People always say they wish I was the Australian captain’. And before long he’s pushing for some mediocre Victorian to be in the test team, or a leggie with a FC average of 55 because Lyon is an offie and offies aren’t good enough for test cricket.

I just don’t get why these networks keep falling over themselves for his signature. Seven and Fox both told Clarke they weren’t interested because of public opinion - why not Warne?

I think if Fox said scram, and Seven were his only option for getting his head on telly, that axe would magically no long need grinding.

I dunno, he just throws out the balance so much that I can't see Fox putting up with it. I hate Skull but at least he does talk cricket in amongst all his inane dribble and he doesn't derail the whole coverage. Maybe it's just hope like I said, but I feel like Fox won't give Warne as much as rope as Nine did.
 

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I just don’t get why these networks keep falling over themselves for his signature. Seven and Fox both told Clarke they weren’t interested because of public opinion - why not Warne?
Because he appeals to the bogan casual cricket viewer demographic.

They don't realise what an utter flog he is once you separate the cricketer from the man.
 

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  • Daniel Brettig, Assistant editor, ESPNcricinfo
On Thursday morning, as the first ball of the series between Australia and India is about to be bowled, the much lauded broadcaster Tim Lane will settle behind the microphone to call it for Channel Seven. For Lane, it will be an experience unlike anything else in a broadcasting career that has lasted 45 years, for most of which Australian cricket was covered by a single network, Channel Nine, with a very particular style: that of former players turned commentators.

"It wasn't something I imagined would happen," Lane tells ESPNcricinfo. "As of many years ago, television cricket coverage was right off my radar and right off my aspiration list because I didn't see that any person without a playing pedigree would be required. It had become the conventional orthodoxy in Australia and I assumed it worked so well in Nine's early years that there was no need for it to be revised. But circumstances have changed."

In April, Cricket Australia parted company with Channel Nine for the first time in 40 years, ending an association with the network once owned by Kerry Packer that had endured through generations after they were brought together by the revolution of World Series Cricket. In their place as Australian cricket's free-to-air broadcaster is the Seven Network, known traditionally as the broadcaster of football in winter and golf and tennis in summer.

"It probably is, in a way, the biggest gig in Australian sports coverage," Lane says. "It's hard to measure these things, but cricket is so international and there is so much coverage from around the world we now see on our screens, and every nation and network's coverage is there to be compared with everyone else's.

"It all goes back to Kerry Packer's intervention in a way. The wheel, as primitive as it had been until that time, was reinvented so thoroughly that cricket's in a way become a barometer - the technology that's brought to it and also in the styles that people adopt in providing coverage of the game."

The move from Nine to Seven, with a lucrative pay television component managed by News Corp and its pay-television arm, Fox Sports, brought a financial windfall worth A$1.18 billion for Cricket Australia. It was also the biggest change in the way Australians watch cricket in more than two generations. What follows is a glimpse of how Seven, its commentators and behind-the-scenes staff have set about reshaping the coverage.

The vision
Melbourne Docklands, July

Inside Seven's Melbourne headquarters, on a wintry day in the middle of the year, the skies laden with clouds and a chill wind blowing, the network's head of cricket, Dave Barham, is thinking very much in terms of sunny skies, freshly cut grass, and how to refresh the story of cricket in Australia. A mastermind of many broadcasts, Barham was at the centre of Ten's successful Big Bash League coverage from 2013 to 2018, before being snapped up as head of cricket within days of the news that Seven had snared the rights to cricket alongside News Corp.

Barham has a clear view of what he wants to do differently - and it revolves primarily around commentary.

"I'm a big fan of callers, a big fan of commentary," Barham says. "I think it's the most underrated skill of the lot. I think we get carried away in a lot of sports about expert commentators. They make a massive impact, but the ability of a great caller to enhance a game by setting it up, keeping you involved, making each moment exciting, is critical. I'm not criticising Nine in any way, [but] I think they drifted away from callers. Maybe Richie [Benaud] was the last one.

Fanfare tor the Common Man" introductory theme has returned to introduce each broadcast. Jones and others are hopeful for television ratings spurred by Pavlovian responses. "That was the sound when I was growing up. I'd hear that and go 'sport's on the telly, the golf's on the telly, Greg Norman's about to walk out', that sort of stuff," he says.

The commentator
Melbourne, December
Tim Lane is reading from the email that informs him that he will be the first ball-by-ball caller for Seven in Adelaide. His last Test cricket broadcast on television was 30 years ago.

"It's genuinely, after 45 years in the business, a leap into the unknown," he says. "I've done very little TV cricket. The one Test I did was the Bicentenary Test in Sydney in January 1988, when the ABC was still doing coverage to the regionals. But this is something else again, because cricket on TV in Australia is such a big issue and obviously there'll be a lot of scrutiny with change happening.

"I'm excited but a little bit intimidated, but it is always nice when someone feels there is room for the old-fashioned professional broadcaster, whose pedigree is in broadcasting, not necessarily in the on-field business. It means we're still seen as being relevant in the industry."

Jones and others watched with interest as Lane carefully remodulated his style in rehearsals, from the sorts of detailed descriptions provided on radio to something more complementary of the pictures provided on TV.

"I've been watching and listening to what others do a little more closely, just to observe their techniques rather than listen to what they say," Lane says.

He knows speaking about technical excellence is not quite his job. "That's why ex-players are there. What I can do is try to bring occasion, history, tradition and those sorts of things, as well as just the basics, the facts as a ball-by-ball commentator will do it."

Perhaps surprisingly given his years in radio for the ABC, Lane believes much of his inspiration will come from the work of the original Nine team, from Benaud and Bill Lawry to Greig and Ian Chappell - still a colleague and commentator for Macquarie Radio.

"It was a one-in-a-lifetime collection because Packer was breaking new ground and he wasn't going to leave any stone unturned in gathering the best. You had, from the outset, a couple of generations of Australian greats, with Tony Greig and a couple of overseas commentators, and then it extended. The years went by and they covered almost four generations of Australian cricketers.

"As soon as you tuned in, you felt you were getting something of real moment. Part of the reason for that is the reverential way that they actually went about it.

The very first Seven commentary shift for Test cricket will comprise Lane, Ponting and Michael Slater. Lane, of course, will let the players dominate the analysis, with one possible exception. "If Kuldeep [Yadav] comes on and bowls his left-arm wristspin in the first 40 minutes of play, I might be able to give some analysis," he quips, "because I did bowl wristspin for Devonport seconds many years ago."

The team
Adelaide, December

Tim Paine has had plenty to say this year, not least in meetings, interviews and promos for cricket's new broadcasters. Not only are Seven seeking to tell a fresh story, Paine and his team are trying their best to put the Newlands scandal behind them and reconnect with the nation.

"We want to open up the team and the change room to the public, so they can get to know the players a bit better," he says. We want to show them a bit more of the inner sanctum of the team, how it works, what our days look like. It's a really good way for them to get to know us and support us.

"It's the way a lot of professional sport's going. Fans and TV networks pay a lot of money to come and watch, so I think you have to give them as much access as you possibly can. That's something we're going to try and do."

In doing this, Paine and broadcasters both are hopeful that talk of the "gilded bubble" discussed in the cultural reviews of the team and Cricket Australia will subside.

"Sometimes in the intensity of international cricket, people can start focusing a bit too much on themselves because you're just so desperate to perform and it's such a tough game that's critiqued really heavily as well. I think guys can become a little bit insular, so we've got to try as much as we can to give back and open up a bit more."

How open, and how successful, will start to be known from the moment Paine's monologue fades, and Lane looks down the pitch.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...ooking-change-television-commentary-australia

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I mean, it all sounds rather positive - that is, other than the references to Brayshaw in a complimentary fashion - but positive all the same.

Any announcement of who the Indian guest commentators will be for both Fox and Seven? I was encouraged by the presence of Graeme Smith for the South Africa series, it's a necessary voice to add context to the players on show. The last decade of Nine's commentators not having the slightest f**king clue who the visiting players were was absolutely infuriating.
 

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You missed this from the article in the copy and paste:

"The problem I found was that the game is not always exciting - Test cricket doesn't work like that. When it is exciting it is the best game to watch. An exciting Test match is unbeatable. But you can have slow ones, you can have draws that peter out, a game called off with an hour to go. So having different commentary and a more conversational style driven by journalist callers will make it interesting for longer, in my view."

Loves Brayshaw, doesn't think much of test cricket.
 

Bazal

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Hmm...Seven might have the advantage with some of their off-match programming.

They've got The Grade Cricketer lads. Fox are running adds for shows with Gus Worland and the Professor...
 

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You missed this from the article in the copy and paste:

"The problem I found was that the game is not always exciting - Test cricket doesn't work like that. When it is exciting it is the best game to watch. An exciting Test match is unbeatable. But you can have slow ones, you can have draws that peter out, a game called off with an hour to go. So having different commentary and a more conversational style driven by journalist callers will make it interesting for longer, in my view."

Loves Brayshaw, doesn't think much of test cricket.

I dunno, I don’t necessarily disagree with that statement. Closely fought test matches are fantastic. Games like Melbourne last year are torture.
 

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I dunno, I don’t necessarily disagree with that statement. Closely fought test matches are fantastic. Games like Melbourne last year are torture.

100%

A test match with no hope of a result from about session three is as interesting to me as a game of T10 cricket.

Maybe less so, because at least the T10 will be over quick.

Just because it's test match cricket doesn't mean it's automatically good.
 

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Everything barring Brayshaw and Damien ‘I wish I’d played football’ Fleming sounds good on seven.

I think I’ll be flipping back and forth.
 

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Brayshaw
Fleming
Lane
Mcavaney as host

All f**king afl loving sycophant wankers.

Slater is a f**kstick too

Mcgrath is a woeful commentator too, can't wait for him and flemming to bore us shitless with stories about their cartel.

Still, a change from nine who were very bad at the end, Chappell aside who was a helluva commentator.
 

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I am going to reserve judgement until I’ve heard it for a bit. Nine were the worst in the world for their last ten years or so.
 

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I am going to reserve judgement until I’ve heard it for a bit. Nine were the worst in the world for their last ten years or so.

well I am on Foxtell, so we can compare notes at the end of the day
 

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Well I am enjoying the commentary so far. I think it's streets ahead of Ch.9.

I am a fan of Tim Lane as a cricket commentator. I didn't have tv when I was a kid and listened to ABC radio for years, so he and J.Maxwell were the voices of cricket for me growing up.

Tbh I don't think you will find a better main caller atm, hopefully he isn't written off on here because he also commentates AFL.
 

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I used to like Tim Lane and Glen Mitchell on Grandstand too but even before I was a code-warrior dickhead I got sick of them going on about AFL like it's some sort of higher, spiritual pursuit. When they stuck to the cricket they were great. That's all we ask, stick to the cricket merkins.
 
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