Can RL take over from RU in NZ?

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

 

[dallymessenger]

Over 30,000 mainly rugby union families from New zealand moved over from New Zealand every year .
If you think Polynesians only play league then think again . The same Polynesians that are moving over to Australia are responsible for some of the rugby league schools in Queensland having a rugby union team . They have brought over their rugby union culture with them. Some of the elite league schools in Queensland now played rugby union or taken up rugby union because the Kiwi's/Polynesians parents wants their kids playing their game and even offer to help coach them .

I heard the pacific Island have had scouts from the NRL fromfans and clubs for over 20 years now . I haven't heard or seen a local rugby player from Samoa turning out for any NRL clubs for over ten years now . Are you sure they exists ?


Why would Kiwi kids want to make the move over to Australia when they have 17 professional rugby union teams to choose from ? I can understand the league kids coming over to Australia looking for a league contract . I mean you only have one professional team in new zealand and they sign more Australian players than Kiwi's .

when kiwis come over to australia they will naturally become RL players given union lack of infrastrcuture vs RL.

with the S14 getting killed and struggling to exist, why would talented kids want to play in a failing and substandard comp. when they can star in the NRL.

trying watching the nrl sometime.

youll see loads of talented polynesians kids.

and if youd watched the Footy Show last night youd know the figures im talking about are accurate. or even read some of the RL mags as well.

 

[dallymessenger]

Can RL take over from RU in NZ? :lol: This Gold Medal Stuff .

you responded to that twice, 20 mins apart.

you must be rattled.

and it took you 20 mins to come up with that
:lol:

 

[ozbash]

in the next 5 years, between 30% - 50% of all NRL players will come from polynesian backgrounds.

some sources would say considerably more dally.

Means nothing though, Union has the Islands sewn up, they have invested the time, money and marketing expertise in the Pacific and its going to pay dividends.
They offer hope and something to aim for for the polynesian youth.

League could do the same if it wanted instead of getting unions rejects.

 

[Cheezel]

In the short term no!

But if the Super 14's continues the downward trend in Ratings and crowds and continues to lose players to the Northern Hemisphere, League might be able to capitalise with a 2nd team in NZ.

Union is in the blood of Kiwis. It would take many generations and NZRL to get it's act together before RL could take over RU. But in saying that if the NRL gets a better TV deal in 2012, which it should do. League might have a bit more pulling power then the Super 14's.

 

[dallymessenger]

in the next 5 years, between 30% - 50% of all NRL players will come from polynesian backgrounds.

some sources would say considerably more dally.

Means nothing though, Union has the Islands sewn up, they have invested the time, money and marketing expertise in the Pacific and its going to pay dividends.
They offer hope and something to aim for for the polynesian youth.

League could do the same if it wanted instead of getting unions rejects.

:lol:

SBW and benji marshall > any current ABs.

ill repeat it again, the S14 is failing. why would the most talented athletes in the south pacific want to play for a competition that is failing.

 

[dallymessenger]

In the short term no!

But if the Super 14's continues the downward trend in Ratings and crowds and continues to lose players to the Northern Hemisphere, League might be able to capitalise with a 2nd team in NZ.

Union is in the blood of Kiwis. It would take many generations and NZRL to get it's act together before RL could take over RU. But in saying that if the NRL gets a better TV deal in 2012, which it should do. League might have a bit more pulling power then the Super 14's.

pretty much what i was getting at with my first post.

im realistic to think it wont be happening any time soon.

but if the NRL get their act together and the game keeps growing as it is, why not?

 

[ozbash]

SBW and benji marshall > any current ABs.

I actually felt sorry for you in this thread, you are copping a fair old pasteing.

now i know why, you're a f**king idiot.

 

[screeny]

I actually felt sorry for you in this thread, you are copping a fair old pasteing.

now i know why, you're a f**king idiot.

Union has the islands "sewn up" you say? Is that as sewn up as they were a decade ago, or five years ago, or last year?

Has Fiji RL not improved its position markedly in those years, and Tonga to a lesser extent? If true then it means that RU's stitching is becoming looser, to continue your analogy.

It's only logical that if more and more Islander players reach higher levels in the game, and more professional opportunities arise, the interest in RL in the islands will increase too - a la Fiji. Plus the fact that RL is far more suited to islanders than RU and of course RL will strengthen until one day it surpasses RU.

It's called evolution. RU's only hope is to change its rules. Which it will.

 

[shiznit]

except the best crowds are night games... it used to be a 16k break even mark... sunday games wont get that.



It is a residential area..

mate... no way...
if you have a look at this picture of westpac stadium:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stpac_Trust_stadium_viewed_from_Wadestown.jpg

theres no way thats a residential area...

 

[jamesgould]

Resource bloody management act.... To get resource consent they had to limit the amount of times the ights can be put on during a year... The WRU, NZRFU, and Canes have most of them for 25 years with an option for another 25. Cricket got most of the rest, with the same time frame.... a few where left for concerts and the like... The phoenix picked up most of those... in fact it could very well be the phoenix who will ultimately prove to be the biggest stumbling block to a Wellington League team... as the middle of winter has it getting dark by 5pm... or 3pm Sydney time.

Geez, that's ridiculous! :x

 

[jamesgould]

mate... no way...
if you have a look at this picture of westpac stadium:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stpac_Trust_stadium_viewed_from_Wadestown.jpg

theres no way thats a residential area...

It is deemed that way though, because of people on a nearby hill, I think? Across the other side of the motorway. There are noise limits which I knew about, but I wasn't aware of the night event limits.

 

[Te Kaha]

Union has the islands "sewn up" you say? Is that as sewn up as they were a decade ago, or five years ago, or last year?

Has Fiji RL not improved its position markedly in those years, and Tonga to a lesser extent? If true then it means that RU's stitching is becoming looser, to continue your analogy.

It's only logical that if more and more Islander players reach higher levels in the game, and more professional opportunities arise, the interest in RL in the islands will increase too - a la Fiji. Plus the fact that RL is far more suited to islanders than RU and of course RL will strengthen until one day it surpasses RU.

It's called evolution. RU's only hope is to change its rules. Which it will.

Which is an overly simplistic way of looking at it... also one that is completly opinion based... you look at the advances League is making without seeing what the IRB is also doing... Fijian players already have a professional pathway thought the 7's circit and fuly paid pacific cup... League cant compete with that.... and as for your league being better suited argument, thats just biased rambling.

mate... no way...
if you have a look at this picture of westpac stadium:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stpac_Trust_stadium_viewed_from_Wadestown.jpg

theres no way thats a residential area...

You are kidding right... there are apartments within spitting distance of the stadium.. and the afflunt live in thorndon across the road.. including govt house...

Geez, that's ridiculous! :x

yep.. but the alternative was no stadium

In the short term no!

But if the Super 14's continues the downward trend in Ratings and crowds and continues to lose players to the Northern Hemisphere, League might be able to capitalise with a 2nd team in NZ.

Union is in the blood of Kiwis. It would take many generations and NZRL to get it's act together before RL could take over RU. But in saying that if the NRL gets a better TV deal in 2012, which it should do. League might have a bit more pulling power then the Super 14's.

Everybody is assuming they will get less.... because of some idiot said the said it was failing after one bad year... it is nothing to do with a loss of interest in Rugby and everything to do with two mucha nd to many fractured comps... I will bet my house on next year being another increase in ratingd next year

It is deemed that way though, because of people on a nearby hill, I think? Across the other side of the motorway. There are noise limits which I knew about, but I wasn't aware of the night event limits.

Its also why there are no reserve days for day night cricket games at the stadium...

 

[jamesgould]

They don't have reserve days for any international cricket in NZ anymore, do they?

We should just go and burn down the houses of the residents who were complaining, if you ask me. It's the same with music venues in town, you get people in apartments complaining ... why live so close to the city if you want your abode to be completely quiet at night?!?!

I spose night matches weren't as prevalent back in 2000 or whenever it opened. I went to the first event there, Wellington vs Northern Districts Shell Cup!

Those nearby apartments weren't there in 2000, either ...

 

[dallymessenger]

I actually felt sorry for you in this thread, you are copping a fair old pasteing.

now i know why, you're a f**king idiot.

eddie jones, won lots of things in union including a WC and helping SA win it last year.

if NZ want to win the WC they need SBW.

either you know more than one of the best RU coaches in history or not?
:lol:

 

[Te Kaha]

They don't have reserve days for any international cricket in NZ anymore, do they?

We should just go and burn down the houses of the residents who were complaining, if you ask me. It's the same with music venues in town, you get people in apartments complaining ... why live so close to the city if you want your abode to be completely quiet at night?!?!

I spose night matches weren't as prevalent back in 2000 or whenever it opened. I went to the first event there, Wellington vs Northern Districts Shell Cup!

Those nearby apartments weren't there in 2000, either ...

Wellington money is in thorndon... those residents have the clout...

 

[Te Kaha]

eddie jones, won lots of things in union including a WC and helping SA win it last year.

if NZ want to win the WC they need SBW.

either you know more than one of the best RU coaches in history or not?
:lol:

Best coaches in history? that opinion proves how little you know... much like SBW playing 5/8...

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

:lol:

SBW and benji marshall > any current ABs.

ill repeat it again, the S14 is failing. why would the most talented athletes in the south pacific want to play for a competition that is failing.

You obviously know nothing about the Pacific Islands . The Pacifc Island kids play rugby union because is their national sport and they will continue playing rugby union in New Zealand, Australia Europe or Japan which gives them and families security .

Cricket and soccer in NZ has been failing for a while . Does that mean all the cricket kids should pack up and head to India to play cricket ?

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Union has the islands "sewn up" you say? Is that as sewn up as they were a decade ago, or five years ago, or last year?

Has Fiji RL not improved its position markedly in those years, and Tonga to a lesser extent? If true then it means that RU's stitching is becoming looser, to continue your analogy.

It's only logical that if more and more Islander players reach higher levels in the game, and more professional opportunities arise, the interest in RL in the islands will increase too - a la Fiji. Plus the fact that RL is far more suited to islanders than RU and of course RL will strengthen until one day it surpasses RU.

It's called evolution. RU's only hope is to change its rules. Which it will.

Union has the Islands sewn up 80 years ago, 5 years ago and another 1000 years more .
Screeny, Whoever told you that league is catching to rugby union in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga should be shot for first degree bullsh*t .
Rugby league has got to get through soccer, Kilikiti (cricket), vollyball, hockey, AFL (Samoa) and netball . And even the ladder between league and netball is like from earth to the blackhole .

Pacific Islanders are far more suited to rugby union than rugby league . Every rugby league country that takes up league you obviously say the same thing that they are more suited the game you love .

Eddie Jones is the worst rugby union coach in history . Luckly he had the players around him that made him look good . The Qld Reds S14 campaign in the last two years prove that he is the worst coach .
SBW needs to help the Kiwi's avoid another 58-0 from the Kangaroo's but SBW is not the answer to the All Blacks . There's not one player in the Kiwi league team that would make the All Blacks .

 

[LeagueXIII]

Have to agree regarding the islands. Whilst league has done well with little resources, union is miles ahead. Tonga similar. As for Samoa do they even play a regular domestic season with juniors etc? Cook Islands probably more 50/50.