Can we learn something from super rugby?

[docbrown]

TBf those regional areas are NRL heartlands

Exactly. That's 40% of the population in those states where the AFL doesn't have a workable strategy.

As you say:

Their is ittle interest in AFL in those smaller cities

But to dismiss offhand them as small cities is, frankly, ignorance. You know what markets they're bigger than?

Tassie, Darwin and ACT

Also South Australia & Western Australia...

 

[taipan]

Difference is Aleague has never had an issue cutting its dead wood loose if they aren't performing.

The dead wood were new teams,without any tradition and long term fans.Hell of a difference.The A league are stretched also .

 

[The Mad Hatter]

They had ten years to get themselves in order.

 

[taipan]

Think I should have rephrased my post .I was referring to new A League teams(dead wood) with no tradition nor long term fans,.plus they were stretched too far.The flicking was a lot easier.

 

[Perth Red]

Not content with 7's I see they are launching another format event Rugby 10's in Brisbane.

http://premier.ticketek.com.au/show...utm_medium=friendlylink&utm_campaign=BRISTENS

 

[ed-grimley]

Super Rugby is not relevant to most people as it's not on FTA.

 

[Perth Red]

Yet it keeps expanding whilst NRL stagnates for another 5 Years at least

 

[taipan]

Yet it keeps expanding whilst NRL stagnates for another 5 Years at least

And with their expansion, the Force,Brumbies,Reds, are losing money hand over fist.Their 2nd tier comp is a laugh as was their NRC.The Rebels had to be sold to private consortium, as it was losing money.
When you have a code who had $43m in the bank, led by a Banker ,and spent the lot in a few years with nothing to really show for it and the current shambles prevailing, then just expanding for expansion's sake can be a millstone.
Lions losing money hand over foot,Suns owned by AFL and GWS costing fortune,plus AFL clubs in toto lost$93 plus millions,.is hardly inspiring stuff.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Like I said on this thread when it first started, expansion by itself is no barometer of success...

Someone is still struggling to understand this..

 

[RL The greatest game]

Like I said on this thread when it first started, expansion by itself is no barometer of success...

Someone is still struggling to understand this..

Its my view that another NRL club in Qld would become self suffcient in a very short time.
It would take a bit longer in Wellington and Perth, but it would happen.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Its my view that another NRL club in Qld would become self suffcient in a very short time.
It would take a bit longer in Wellington and Perth, but it would happen.

You are probably correct...

I just think that people pointing to what Rugby Union is doing in Australia is a waste of time...

They have gone backwards since they expanded in WA and VIC...

Even 5 teams is too many for the amount of talent over here

 

[Perth Red]

No risk no reward.

And super rugby is about far more than Australia. Because the game is struggling here doesn't mean their expansion is failure, it might well be that there will end up with just a couple of Australian clubs in it as other Countries grow like Japan.

Like bringing in one club big city teams, it threatens suburban clubs so they are very happy to keep the status out and be big fish in a little pond.

 

[BuffaloRules]

No risk no reward.

And super rugby is about far more than Australia. Because the game is struggling here doesn't mean their expansion is failure, it might well be that there will end up with just a couple of Australian clubs in it as other Countries grow like Japan.

Like bringing in one club big city teams, it threatens suburban clubs so they are very happy to keep the status out and be big fish in a little pond.

On the contrary , the rewards are high for the NRL...

Their revenue is through the roof on the basis of their status quo..

Union in Australia is going backwards at a million miles an hour whist it expands..

 

[Perth Red]

No its revenue is getting to the place it should have been if it hadn't been dogged by conflict of ownership issues from 98 onwards. It remains significantly behind its main rival at club and central level.

 

[taipan]

No risk no reward.

And super rugby is about far more than Australia. Because the game is struggling here doesn't mean their expansion is failure, it might well be that there will end up with just a couple of Australian clubs in it as other Countries grow like Japan.

Like bringing in one club big city teams, it threatens suburban clubs so they are very happy to keep the status out and be big fish in a little pond.

It means their expansion in this country is a failure.It also means bringing in Japan and Argentina into SANZAR has not brought the crowds nor viewership into Oz/NZ or SA .Crowds down in all those countries.

LOL>there are prospects of the Force being flicked from Perth and being relocated to West Sydney.One city club Brumbies is a financial basket case ,and Reds not much better.Oh but one cities is the answer.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Crowds are down & money is tight yet the ARU has the same amount of pathways for players in Brisbane and Melbourne as the NRL does, and has more player pathways in Perth than we do.
Why.

 

[Perth Red]

Because they see the value of expansion to create pathways. Every professional, code except NRL in this country has a team in Perth. Why?

2o years on and we are still at least a decade, probably longer, of being back in places like Perth and Adelaide.

Whilst Force have struggled on he field and financially in recent years Jnr numbers have tripled since their inception and govt built them a $10mill rugby hq. no way the aru will let Force die with growth like this

“Participation in rugby in WA skyrocketed a staggering 26.65% in 2013, with 30,359 people playing the game last year in comparison to 23,971 in 2012,” he said.

Whilst RL has had some growth and we have had a number of new Jnr clubs start up in last three years our numbers, minus touch, aren't close and won't be until we have a NRL club to really bring awareness to the game here and a proper local pathway to the top.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Because they see the value of expansion to create pathways. Every professional, code except NRL in this country has a team in Perth. Why?

2o years on and we are still at least a decade, probably longer, of being back in places like Perth and Adelaide.

Whilst Force have struggled on he field and financially in recent years Jnr numbers have tripled since their inception and govt built them a $10mill rugby hq. no way the aru will let Force die with growth like this





Whilst RL has had some growth and we have had a number of new Jnr clubs start up in last three years our numbers, minus touch, aren't close and won't be until we have a NRL club to really bring awareness to the game here and a proper local pathway to the top.

Cry me a river Red.....would love to see a league team in W.A eventually but am enjoying your misery in the meantime.

 

[taipan]

Because they see the value of expansion to create pathways. Every professional, code except NRL in this country has a team in Perth. Why?

2o years on and we are still at least a decade, probably longer, of being back in places like Perth and Adelaide.

Whilst Force have struggled on he field and financially in recent years Jnr numbers have tripled since their inception and govt built them a $10mill rugby hq. no way the aru will let Force die with growth like this





Whilst RL has had some growth and we have had a number of new Jnr clubs start up in last three years our numbers, minus touch, aren't close and won't be until we have a NRL club to really bring awareness to the game here and a proper local pathway to the top.

Oh yes, the famous expansionist ARU who had $43m in the Bank,lost the lot.Ditched the NRC losing money.Now brought in another version.Cut back on payments to clubs, made lower grade clubs pay them money.Getting AFL and soccer in GPS and Assoc union playing schools.Having former RU greats like pap worth et al complain about the code in dire straits and grassroots being neglected .
Yep their pathways are going great guns.
It's OK for junior numbers to grow ,but when your top grade club (The Force) continues to get poor crowds and lose money hand over foot it's OK LOL.Great accounting logic, continually losing money is good

Brisbane is not expansion for union FFS.Melbourne has had
union played in schools (private ones for yonks).And they had to get a private consortium to buy the Rebels out, else they would be going out backwards.

The ARU is not a charitable organisation, they continue to lose money with the Force and unless a private consortium is prepared to take up the slack ,they are in line for the chopping block.SANZAR has grown into a big fat slug, meaning big is not better and the fans have responded by non attendance or viewing.

Trouble with you PR you all for the Christopher Skase approach, spend up big on new areas, and let the poor mugs that follow put up with the leftover crap.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Making fun of the ARU's situation isn't fixing our game.

The lack of top level pathways is a real issue which Sydneysiders just don't get. Every player in Brisbane rejected by the Broncos has to weigh up travelling to another state to play, whether to play another sport instead or to stop playing altogether. In Perth they have to weigh up travelling across the continent on the chance that they make the grade. It needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.

How many people would play the game in Sydney if their only NRL team was the Roosters and the closest rivals were Newcastle and Melbourne?